Leaving America

[Nigel Blake]

I disagree with Nietzsche and I disagree with your sentiment. While it may be true that god is dead, I don’t believe this means that the modern world will have nothing left to look forward to. Our culture may be changing but that doesn’t mean the truths of religion will be abandoned. A humanistic religion will probably take suit, where the virtues of love and community will reign, just without the overarching concept of a divine agent.

Love isn't a virtue nor is community in a "humanitarian" context. The ability to hate is essential to being human which "humanitarians" seem not to get. One can't except truth from the bible and abandon God, this is a oxymoron for God is truth. Abandonment of God will always leads to degeneracy and man turning into an instinctual beast...

 

[MitchMitchell]

So people generally think America will continue to be a safe place to continue to live? Relatively speaking. Ugh, I'm getting myself all twisted up I think.

of course it will. It’s crazy to think otherwise. Americans don’t realize how good they have it. No matter who the president is. Harlem is fine, rural Minnesota will be okay lol

 

[Mr Joe]

Having guns in this period of doubt is i think (and despite all bad things that can occur sporadically) one of the best thing that could be in US. And also permit to defend people who do not want to be vaccinated at last ultimatum. In France here, these satanist people wants to make covid vaccin as an obligation and we have nothing to do. Damn ! I wish i could have a 9 mm close to my periactin bottle... 9 mm should decrease serotonin for sure.

 

[Runenight201]

Love isn't a virtue nor is community in a "humanitarian" context. The ability to hate is essential to being human which "humanitarians" seem not to get. One can't except truth from the bible and abandon God, this is a oxymoron for God is truth. Abandonment of God will always leads to degeneracy and man turning into an instinctual beast...

ah yes thank you i was searching for a descriptor of love and community and I turned to virtue but that wasn’t correct. Perhaps I should have used goodness or something descriptor instead. In regards to your other claims about truth and god I would disagree. I don’t see why anyone would have to believe in god to also think that it may be a good idea to love your neighbor as yourself. I think it to be an error in Christian apologetics to claim that without god humans cannot have a moral compass or do any good. “Without God, everything is permitted.” As Dostoyevsky put it in the Brother’s Karamazov. I would disagree, as humans follow a morality in order to peacefully exist with each other and avoid conflict. In well adjusted humans, there is a physiological pleasure response in good actions, and in malignant humans, a physiological pleasure response in evil actions. A logical argumentation from morality could also extend from being able to feel empathy first, which is essential to being human. Hate is part of the human experience but only in those who are suffering from poor upbringing, education, health, socialization, security, etc... Perhaps the better phrase should be, without a moral compass, everything is permitted!

 

[pro marker]

I'm strongly considering leaving the United States to permanently live in another country. I at least want to have the option ready on as short notice as possible. I know absolutely nothing about how to do this, good places to live, realistic expectations, etc. I'm starting from zero. I'm leaning towards Sweden, but I'm open to anything really. I don't want to get into why. I just want good info and advice regarding the actual move. Please help. Thanks guys.

do not come to sweden. do not.

ill give you a few reasons.
objectively THE hardest country to make friends. social circles are small and not welcoming.
a boring country with no culture left.
insane amounts of immigrants that will hate you for being white. its 10 times worse than you can imagine. numbers cant be trusted. we do not have the happiest population either. dont fall for the pro socialism bull**** its all lies.
cold as hell in winter and depressing. think you can handle 3 hours of sunlight?
the entire country is one big middle class and its very hard to break out of that.
no good produce. farms have very strict laws about selling directly to customers.
its also the most politically correct country and its reaching hysterical levels. norway just passed a law that could jail you for up to one year for homophobic or "biphobic" statements made in PRIVATE.

every american wants to move to scandinavia. and guess what it rarely works out. its not like america where you can just strike up a conversation with a stranger. the chances of you being happy here are very slim.

 

[Goat-e]

I’m in Europe. I’d far, far rather be in America right now.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Volograd, Moscow, Peter... Habarovsk is probably the safest option, my family grew up there and my brother was born there. Vladivostok.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Finland, very moral people.
Perhaps Pakistan also... Central Asia too; Uzbek, Kazakh, Tajik.
And Mongolia.
Greece.
But the future is definitely Russia. It will be the safest place if a global conflict/collapse (which will happen) arises (that's the price for Globalism). Pretty good there now also (human rights, living conditions; most statistics are from 1991 to 2010, which is ignorant of the collapse of the USSR). In ten years the economic effect of the USSR collapse on Russia will be long forgotten.
Godbless, the "European Man" is in Russia.

 

[GelatinGoblin]

ah yes thank you i was searching for a descriptor of love and community and I turned to virtue but that wasn’t correct. Perhaps I should have used goodness or something descriptor instead. In regards to your other claims about truth and god I would disagree. I don’t see why anyone would have to believe in god to also think that it may be a good idea to love your neighbor as yourself. I think it to be an error in Christian apologetics to claim that without god humans cannot have a moral compass or do any good. “Without God, everything is permitted.” As Dostoyevsky put it in the Brother’s Karamazov. I would disagree, as humans follow a morality in order to peacefully exist with each other and avoid conflict. In well adjusted humans, there is a physiological pleasure response in good actions, and in malignant humans, a physiological pleasure response in evil actions. A logical argumentation from morality could also extend from being able to feel empathy first, which is essential to being human. Hate is part of the human experience but only in those who are suffering from poor upbringing, education, health, socialization, security, etc... Perhaps the better phrase should be, without a moral compass, everything is permitted!

Some are moral by grace, but this natural morality or is also akin to Christianity, perhaps without the wisdom of it.

 

[haidut]

How much stock do you put in these mating theories of evolutionary psychology/biology ?

Not much, but I also don't buy the claims that women go entirely for genetics. There were a few recent studies that invalidated the "shifting preference" hypothesis - i.e. that women prefer hookups with hot males around their ovulation time and seek the "provider" during their period days. The bigger, better controlled studies, found there was no shift in preferences. Women were simply more sexually interested around ovulation, and liked all kinds of men. I just gave the "mating preference" link as a counterargument that women go only for genetics. I wanted to give a studied counterexample instead of just saying "it's not true".

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Not much, but I also don't buy the claims that women go entirely for genetics. There were a few recent studies that invalidated the "shifting preference" hypothesis - i.e. that women prefer hookups with hot males around their ovulation time and seek the "provider" during their period days. The bigger, better controlled studies, found there was no shift in preferences. Women were simply more sexually interested around ovulation, and liked all kinds of men. I just gave the "mating preference" link as a counterargument that women go only for genetics. I wanted to give a studied counterexample instead of just saying "it's not true".

Woman on the pill go for the provider then after they stop they go for the real man

 

[tankasnowgod]

Thanks. I appreciate that. I'm just having terrible anxiety about the next year to 3 years and awful things happening here. Maybe I'm worrying too much about something really really awful happening here. I do live in rural Minnesota, so it's not like I'm in the hellscape formerly known as Portland. I don't know. Maybe I'm worrying too much. I'd hate to leave my family, especially me dear old ma. It would break her damn heart.

I agree with Haidut, most other places seem to be just as bad, if not worse, than the US in general. And if considering moving, there's 50 different states, and they are reacted differently. Instead of another country...... why not a state like South Dakota? I'd even prefer that state to Sweden.

A big key seems to be leaving big metro areas, wherever you are. If you're already in rural Minnesota, you're probably mostly alright anyway. Plus, as people in freedom/patriot movement know, the way the United States of America was setup, our founding documents make the potential of reclaiming your freedom much easier than in pretty much any other country on the planet. This remains true despite all the ironies with the US being called "Land of the Free," like the ironic fact that prison population is bigger here than any other country on the planet, both by total prisoners and per capita.

 

[tankasnowgod]

So people generally think America will continue to be a safe place to continue to live? Relatively speaking. Ugh, I'm getting myself all twisted up I think.

Ummmm.... Where in America? Living in Baltimore or Detroit is going to be more dangerous than living in many other places in the US. Living in Plano, Texas will likely continue to be one of the safest...

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Of course you can find places in other countries that are just as safe (or safer) than places in the US. But this country is huge, and there's a massive variation from place to place. In Mexico, for example, I'm sure you can find many places that are much safer and nicer than your average big or mid sized city in the US. You could also live in areas controlled by gangs and cartels where you might find yourself dead in six months.

 

[LucyL]

Thanks. I appreciate that. I'm just having terrible anxiety about the next year to 3 years and awful things happening here. Maybe I'm worrying too much about something really really awful happening here. I do live in rural Minnesota, so it's not like I'm in the hellscape formerly known as Portland. I don't know. Maybe I'm worrying too much. I'd hate to leave my family, especially me dear old ma. It would break her damn heart.

Rural MN is better than Hennepin County! If I could go anywhere, I'd go to a southern state with a pretty good year round growing season and try to by a few acres for chickens/guinea pigs whatever meat source keeps you under the radar. Take mom with you

 

[Teres]

@Geronimo the why is important, actually crucial. If people know what you're trying to get away from or what do you want there would be more relevant suggestions. There may be cultural reasons, social climate, taxes, crime, weather, too many people around, too few people around, million things. Some above said that this or that place is cold. I'm telling you I like winters a lot. What does good place to live means to you? What kind of an environment you'd like to be in? What is your field of education, expertise to say so, how do you intent to make a living in the new country, what does your budget for a new home look like - all this stuff matters.

 

[InChristAlone]

I think the greatest places left on earth are rural land in the US. You can still have access to grocery stores and online buying but you are outside of any conflict zone. That is very important for me. I would never live in a huge city, as they eventually want everyone controlled in the big cities. It won't happen the more people decide city living is a hell hole.

 

[Regina]

The US has reached the end of it's lifespan, though. Theoretically, if the right actions were taken, I think it could recover, just like a sick person could recover if they fixed their diet and life and took the right things. But like a 55 year old with heart disease, type 2 diabetes, low testosterone, and pre-dementia, on 15 pills a day (including statins), eating a diet of vegetable oil, egg whites, tuna, and chicken breast, they're simply too stuck in their ways, and too propagandized and brainwashed to just shut up, eat the ice cream and aspirin, and start healing. That's the US now.

The rest of the 1st world really isn't any better anyways. Western Europe is obviously ****88. Poland and Hungary may be good now, but I doubt they will stay so good, I have a strong feeling they will be the site of great war in the future.

The only hope is to find a 1st world country that has an underpopulated area. That leaves only a couple options:

-Australia: the size of the US but with only 30-something million people. Tons of open space. Lots of it is just outback, but fresh water is available to be tapped, and so theoretically outback could be terraformed into arable fertile land.
-Alaska (USA). Massive and with a population of only 5 million. Awful seasonal day length change, and cold, but lots of plant and animal life and completely uninhabited. Biggest problem in my opinion would be the mosquitos. Until mosquito genocide has been scientifically achieved (using genetic engineering), I wouldn't move there.
-Canada: northern Canada is extremely underpopulated. Same problems as Alaska and possibly even less lush.
-Siberia (Russia). Same problems as Alaska + military neighbors like China/Japan.

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So yeah, they've made it damn near impossible to escape to anywhere decent. All the uninhabited islands across the world have been deemed "UNESCO sites of cultural significance", even though no one even visits them, so those are out too.

3rd world countries might be an option, but only if you could have your own community. The only place that is safe enough (native population wise) to do that in, like Southeast Asia, is too heavily populated + developing for that to be possible. On the flip side, the only place where there's enough open space to make your own community, Africa, has the downside of having an extremely high amount of conflict and an extremely violent population in general.

So yeah. We're ****88. There's no easy way out. If you try to leave on your own, it's basically up to chance whether you can find an isolated enough place to live a peaceful and happy life.

There's no easy way out. We're gonna have to fight at some point. We can't run forever.

Either we stay here and fight. Or there's a massive mass migration of Westerners to places like Africa, and tensions develop, and we fight there too.

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[DrJ]

I moved to Europe a couple months ago from the USA. Some things are great. Other things not. Grass is always greener I suppose. But if I make this money here, as soon as it's done I'm buying up some land back in rural USA and escaping the craziness. Very few places have wide open spaces and freedom like the US, so I wouldn't discount it.

 

[boris]

Interesting takes. I don't know if I understood that right in one of the last interviews, but Ray seemed very keen on leaving the US, just like Corbett and others. Reading this thread though suddenly makes the US seem like a good place to move. Latin America was a dream, but when I heard how the people behaved there back in spring I quickly erased that off my list.

 

[Nigel Blake]

ah yes thank you i was searching for a descriptor of love and community and I turned to virtue but that wasn’t correct. Perhaps I should have used goodness or something descriptor instead. In regards to your other claims about truth and god I would disagree. I don’t see why anyone would have to believe in god to also think that it may be a good idea to love your neighbor as yourself. I think it to be an error in Christian apologetics to claim that without god humans cannot have a moral compass or do any good. “Without God, everything is permitted.” As Dostoyevsky put it in the Brother’s Karamazov. I would disagree, as humans follow a morality in order to peacefully exist with each other and avoid conflict. In well adjusted humans, there is a physiological pleasure response in good actions, and in malignant humans, a physiological pleasure response in evil actions. A logical argumentation from morality could also extend from being able to feel empathy first, which is essential to being human. Hate is part of the human experience but only in those who are suffering from poor upbringing, education, health, socialization, security, etc... Perhaps the better phrase should be, without a moral compass, everything is permitted!

I strongly disagree with your underlining suggestion that hate isn't nor can be a good. I remember reading the other day that Greek philosophers defining justice as bring benefit to one's friends and bringing harm to one's enemies. Mankind can not grouped into a single collective, any attempts to do so would be a practice in vanity thus is a vice. If justice is truly about bringing harm to one's enemies and benefit to one's friends then it begs to reason one ought to hate one's enemies and love one's friends no? Is your neighbor a friend or an enemy? Would you call a neighbor that undermines and ridicules you as they forced you to take a Covid vaccine a friend? Without God you have no basis for morality. My "moral compass" can be simply "I'll d as I please" which can include killing and harming others if that pleases me. What do you say? Why think no one can have such a "moral compass"?