Leaving America

[Geronimo]

I'm strongly considering leaving the United States to permanently live in another country. I at least want to have the option ready on as short notice as possible. I know absolutely nothing about how to do this, good places to live, realistic expectations, etc. I'm starting from zero. I'm leaning towards Sweden, but I'm open to anything really. I don't want to get into why. I just want good info and advice regarding the actual move. Please help. Thanks guys.

 

[Lollipop2]

Apparently US Citizens are not allowed in Sweden currently. My friend is Swedish and has US citizenship and can not visit his family. You might have to go south.

 

[Geronimo]

Apparently US Citizens are not allowed in Sweden currently. My friend is Swedish and has US citizenship and can not visit his family. You might have to go south.

I'm willing to consider South American or Asian countries as well.

 

[haidut]

I'm strongly considering leaving the United States to permanently live in another country. I at least want to have the option ready on as short notice as possible. I know absolutely nothing about how to do this, good places to live, realistic expectations, etc. I'm starting from zero. I'm leaning towards Sweden, but I'm open to anything really. I don't want to get into why. I just want good info and advice regarding the actual move. Please help. Thanks guys.

Ironically, unless you want to go to a very rural country, the US is the least risky option in the developed world. Just my 2c, of course, but keep in mind that at least half of the US population sees quite clearly the scam that is unfolding and that is a big enough number to serve as a deterrent for draconian policies being rolled out quickly. I don't think Latin America is a safe option unless you plan on going to some small place in the mountains and staying there. Most of the countries there had quite severe lockdowns, at least in the big cities. If I had to leave, I would probably go to one of the more secluded and authoritarian countries. Belarus and the Central Asia *stans, as corrupt as they are, are staunch opponents of everything COVID-19 and "Great Reset". Russia used to be a good option but I am not sure any more.

 

[czecha]

Ironically, unless you want to go to a very rural country, the US is the least risky option in the developed world. Just my 2c, of course, but keep in mind that at least half of the US population sees quite clearly the scam that is unfolding and that is a big enough number to serve as a deterrent for draconian policies being rolled out quickly. I don't think Latin America is a safe option unless you plan on going to some small place in the mountains and staying there. Most of the countries there had quite severe lockdowns, at least in the big cities. If I had to leave, I would probably go to one of the more secluded and authoritarian countries. Belarus and the Central Asia *stans, as corrupt as they are, are staunch opponents of everything COVID-19 and "Great Reset". Russia used to be a good option but I am not sure any more.

maybe the cognitive dissonance is rising in 50% of americans, but there is no way in hell half of them have swallowed the scam pill. it's not even close.

 

[Geronimo]

Ironically, unless you want to go to a very rural country, the US is the least risky option in the developed world. Just my 2c, of course, but keep in mind that at least half of the US population sees quite clearly the scam that is unfolding and that is a big enough number to serve as a deterrent for draconian policies being rolled out quickly. I don't think Latin America is a safe option unless you plan on going to some small place in the mountains and staying there. Most of the countries there had quite severe lockdowns, at least in the big cities. If I had to leave, I would probably go to one of the more secluded and authoritarian countries. Belarus and the Central Asia *stans, as corrupt as they are, are staunch opponents of everything COVID-19 and "Great Reset". Russia used to be a good option but I am not sure any more.

Thanks. I appreciate that. I'm just having terrible anxiety about the next year to 3 years and awful things happening here. Maybe I'm worrying too much about something really really awful happening here. I do live in rural Minnesota, so it's not like I'm in the hellscape formerly known as Portland. I don't know. Maybe I'm worrying too much. I'd hate to leave my family, especially me dear old ma. It would break her damn heart.

 

[czecha]

Thanks. I appreciate that. I'm just having terrible anxiety about the next year to 3 years and awful things happening here. Maybe I'm worrying too much about something really really awful happening here. I do live in rural Minnesota, so it's not like I'm in the hellscape formerly known as Portland. I don't know. Maybe I'm worrying too much. I'd hate to leave my family, especially me dear old ma. It would break her damn heart.

nothing is going to happen because of materialism, porn, derranged metabolisms and so on
the awful thing is that nothing is going to happen as long as people have all the copes in the world

 

[marcar72]

I'm willing to consider South American or Asian countries as well.

Look into the possibility of New Zealand as well!

 

[Geronimo]

Look into the possibility of New Zealand as well!

Tell me more :)

 

[marcar72]

Tell me more :)

Well I don't know much but from what I understand it's a desirable destination for immigrants, and they're pretty strict on their immigration policy. So I guess it's a mostly westernized culture that don't let the "riff raff" in. You'll have to have something to offer the country (could be any trade/profession) that'll be a benefit to them. Donald Trump was wanting to steer immigration into the USA in that direction.

 

[haidut]

maybe the cognitive dissonance is rising in 50% of americans, but there is no way in hell half of them have swallowed the scam pill. it's not even close.

As of now, most Americans would NOT take the COVID-19 vaccine. In contrast, polls in April/May when less was known about the virus, showed 80%+ willing to get vaccinated ASAP. This to me does not sound like a public that is fully on-board with the sinister agenda but more like a public that is (slowly) waking up.
Poll: Most Americans wouldn't take a COVID-19 vaccine before the election
Americans increasingly skeptical of COVID vaccine, poll finds

As I mentioned in a few other threads, for all the noise that has been raised about how many people support the official COVID-19 narrative, if you look at the polls and surveys you will quickly see that the majority of people who are so pro-lockdown are only doing it because it somehow benefits them financially. Most of the politicians who supported the restrictions were only doing it to screw Trump and prevent his re-election. This whole story about them caring about their fellow citizens, the elderly, the sick, etc is crap. Most people who support the lockdowns have cushy jobs that allow remote work, and while "working" remotely they get to work a lot less while getting paid the same. Those who initially supported the lockdowns and other social restriction measures quickly became against those measures as soon as they got laid off and the stimulus checks stopped. It is all fun and games and claims of "social responsibility" until somebody gets evicted, fired, divorced, etc and has to face reality. The number of those "redpilled" citizens is only growing and if there is no other stimulus until say February, then we may be looking at the majority of Americans becoming like that.

 

[Runenight201]

nothing is going to happen because of materialism, porn, derranged metabolisms and so on
the awful thing is that nothing is going to happen as long as people have all the copes in the world

I do think there’s some truth to your statements. When I study history I see the similar type of frustrations in our modern era echoed through time, but their intensities are much higher. If we recall the duel used to be an acceptable method of settling accounts and revolutions and riots often ended in countless people dead and life circumstances permanently changed. Now we have “riots” and the like where property is damaged, some people may be hurt or occasionally killed, but I don’t believe it to be at the same scale it would have been through the 17, 18, and 1900s. If we even extend this thought process to think about how infrequent physical conflict between developed national have been in the modern era, we see an even further decline in the willingness of people to passionately and ultimately suffer for ideals. One could make the argument that we are a more civilized humanity, but I think it’s more appropriate that we are just more passive, at least among the middle/upper class.

thinking about this further, I’m also perhaps of the opinion that the general population is more passive, while the violence of the elite, for lack of a better term, but I guess I mean those who have high functioning energy systems and intelligence, have transitioned from using violence as a means to acquire power and instead have used the general susceptibility of the general population to amass power, all without having to engage in violent tactics such as forceful robbery of land and resources.

 

[Geronimo]

So people generally think America will continue to be a safe place to continue to live? Relatively speaking. Ugh, I'm getting myself all twisted up I think.

 

[Summer]

I’m not quite sure what you think is going to happen here that won’t be happening or already isn’t happening in the rest of the developed world... Sweden of all places? Their government is as insanely “progressive” as some of the worst leftists here.

 

[Geronimo]

I’m not quite sure what you think is going to happen here that won’t be happening or already isn’t happening in the rest of the developed world... Sweden of all places? Their government is as insanely “progressive” as some of the worst leftists here.

Thank you. I'd love to be talked down off the cliff of moving lol.

 

[Runenight201]

As of now, most Americans would NOT take the COVID-19 vaccine. In contrast, polls in April/May when less was known about the virus, showed 80%+ willing to get vaccinated ASAP. This to me does not sound like a public that is fully on-board with the sinister agenda but more like a public that is (slowly) waking up.
Poll: Most Americans wouldn't take a COVID-19 vaccine before the election
Americans increasingly skeptical of COVID vaccine, poll finds

As I mentioned in a few other threads, for all the noise that has been raised about how many people support the official COVID-19 narrative, if you look at the polls and surveys you will quickly see that the majority of people who are so pro-lockdown are only doing it because it somehow benefits them financially. Most of the politicians who supported the restrictions were only doing it to screw Trump and prevent his re-election. This whole story about them caring about their fellow citizens, the elderly, the sick, etc is crap. Most people who support the lockdowns have cushy jobs that allow remote work, and while "working" remotely they get to work a lot less while getting paid the same. Those who initially supported the lockdowns and other social restriction measures quickly became against those measures as soon as they got laid off and the stimulus checks stopped. It is all fun and games and claims of "social responsibility" until somebody gets evicted, fired, divorced, etc and has to face reality. The number of those "redpilled" citizens is only growing and if there is no other stimulus until say February, then we may be looking at the majority of Americans becoming like that.

It may not be just workers anymore who are pro wfh, as companies who could theoretically maintain a workforce without a congregated building would save on expenditures as well. We may very well see a shifting in the economy and how it operates if more people and companies choose to continue the wfh model.

What’s an interesting thought experiment is if we didn’t have modern technology and couldn’t work from home. Some investigation into how the economy operated during the flu pandemic in 1918 would be interesting. People in general must have had much more in savings or the government must have been much more effective in providing relief, or else there’s no way the population would have survived with a complete halt of the economy with everyone being mandated to isolate.

 

[Runenight201]

Thank you. I'd love to be talked down off the cliff of moving lol.

What are you most worried about happening to you in America?

 

[Geronimo]

I'm gonna sound like a damn crazy person. I worry it's gonna be some weird Nazi type stuff where former trump supporters are ostracized or worse. The vaccine scares me, but whatever, like 2 billion other people will get it and I'll probably just be sterilized.

 

[marcar72]

...I worry it's gonna be some weird Nazi type stuff...

I've had the thought myself that it's either gonna break to Communism or Fascism eventually.

 

[haidut]

It may not be just workers anymore who are pro wfh, as companies who could theoretically maintain a workforce without a congregated building would save on expenditures as well. We may very well see a shifting in the economy and how it operates if more people and companies choose to continue the wfh model.

Sure, companies have jumped on the "Great Reset" bandwagon too, but just as you said, only because it benefits them. Here is another illustration that behind all the noise, everybody has much more uniform and, dare I say, more realistic views. There is a lot of talk about gender inequality and women being oppressed and men ruling the world, etc, etc, etc. However, behind the scene, ALL political affiliations and both sexes are much more worried about their sons' future than their daughters'. So, again, all fun and games and barking of rabid dogs in public but in private everybody seems to know the truth or at least sense where things are going.
Americans are more worried about their sons than their daughters
"...Respondents are about equally as worried about their sons and daughters as they are about boys and girls in general , with the gap between their worry for boys and girls shrinking modestly. But all four groups— liberals, conservatives, mothers, and fathers—are more worried about their sons than their daughters."

@czecha