Is Nobody Gonna Point Out The Elephant In The Room? Georgi Dinki Knows It All But He’s Still Fat?

[BBRP]

When ever I see a very lean raccoon, squirrel, coyote or other wild animal, my first thought is uh-oh, that animal must be sick-dying-starving. I’m really baffled by why human beings think leanness=health. In the animal world it generally does not. A well fed animal looks vital and healthy, an animal that has obvious musculature due to lack of fat sends alarm signals. Those are the ones that get picked off by predators or disease.

My animals are filled out, and every time we go to the vet he says they’re too fat.


They want to be able to see the curvature of their waist to rib cage and stuff I guess

 

[ntking51]

It’s actually @charlie (s) forum.

weird I alway thought georgi owned this forum

 

[Ledo]

I think so. I do want to lose fat, but I am always unwilling to jeopardize my health to do so and I think it boils down to that.

Losing fat often results in jeopardizing health, especially as one gets older.

I see it all the time with other people and don’t want to go down that road. And yet it would be nice to be thinner, I say to myself, caving into societal norms, LOL.

I have noticed with middle-aged men who lose a lot of fat that virtually 100% of the time they end up with worse health problems than they had before.

I like to pay attention to this phenomenon, that of the quick weight loss in a friend or acquaintance, all ages and both of the sexes.

I don't pry but will complement the person in some way. (Early on they usually look better so its a genuine compliment.) At this point they are usually more than forth coming and want to give a lot of info. I'll sneak in a question or 2 to clear up who got a hold of the person,, paleo low carb, plant based vegan, jenny craig Opra bs, etc.

I have young kids in elementary so there is a very wide group of people at all the events I come in contact with at this point of my life.

Its almost always the same and I like to try and guess before I even speak to them what they are on. Low carbers are going to get very thin very fast, lot of water loss followed by muscle loss. Paleo low carb is even worse with quicker decent with the lack of dairy. Men look guant in the face and weak body, loss of vitality. Woman quickly lose skin and tissue elasticity and get heavy face lines.

Vegans get the lack of sex hormones look, soft and round both men and woman. Generally less weight loss unless they go into super vegan mode and actually stick to "plant based" happy bs propaganda and over time end up like skeletor. But fortunately most can't, they slide into pre-made vegan garbage with high oils and additives then end up with fast fat gain and bail out on the proposition. The marketed weight watcher stuff much the same but with a little more sick look due to all the chemicals and additives in the purchased pre-made food. Commonly all have a really bad rebound and gain back all or even more weight but with a loss of muscle. The all or nothing approach has busted them and they look demoralized feeling like they failed. Some resolve to do it better another time, do it right when they are better able. They never bring it up at this point.

What they don't do is what most naturally thin or lean people do. Have an incremental day by day or week by week approach, no all or nothing perfection at 100% view. More like how is my weight today, water or tissue fluctuation? Fat or muscle gain or loss? Am I matching calories with how busy or active I am? Are my bones tendons and muscle gaining or holding fast? Is my body fat low. Do I have visceral fat developing? How are my macros, balanced? Do I have adequate nutrient intake? (some people only do this intuitively and don't know what adequate nutrients are.)

There are many more little gauges, factors, experiments, etc people run on themselves, in the blink of an eye some unknowingly but I can assure anyone reading this if you don't do it in some form you will drift one way or another, up in body fat, down in muscle usually but not necessarily, maybe not by much but you will drift. The guy or gal who has seemingly stayed effortlessly lean and or muscular, the supposed gifted metabolisms, aren't as gifted as you think. They instead just effortless do what I described. Its second nature to them.

I think barring haidut having a lack of some nutrition or to much unsupported sugar intake has instead, simply just drifted a bit and is happy and fine with it. In essence he doesn't care, he is good.

 

[Sofia]

Bullying is a sign of high serotonin???

 

[egress]

Constructive post @Ledo.

 

[Noodlz2]

@BBRP

I think it's important to realize that all Georgi is doing is delivering research and analysis to many of us who would otherwise be too dumb, ignorant of, or lazy/busy to consume ourselves.

He is NOT saying, "do as I do to become like me". He is just trying to arrive at the nutritional truth, using research and logic. And he has been kind enough to bring it to us so energetically, in an engaging and understandable way. And he sells supplements based on this research, but it's your prerogative to buy or not (and really, the evidence is piling in favor of his formulations). There are a million reasons why that doesn't work perfectly in practice, most of which has to do with environmental factors, both current and accumulated, which are way harder to control than nutrition.

Maybe you're looking for a silver bullet to solve your problems within a year or two, and expect someone who has followed a promising set of principles to be perfect after a decade. I think it's unlikely we find something that works so well in all circumstances.

 

[michael94]

When ever I see a very lean raccoon, squirrel, coyote or other wild animal, my first thought is uh-oh, that animal must be sick-dying-starving. I’m really baffled by why human beings think leanness=health. In the animal world it generally does not. A well fed animal looks vital and healthy, an animal that has obvious musculature due to lack of fat sends alarm signals. Those are the ones that get picked off by predators or disease.

Wild Animals are free and have to worry about things killing them. Humans are slaves and have to worry about being deceived. When one reads something, their senses are neutered, so it can take a lot of internal struggle to find the light. Haidut has my full support, but we should take Auslanders concern as a worthy mental exercise rather than brush it off. In "real life" if you wish to spread a message you will need to make use of the effect of impression which technology tends to destroy.

 

[meatbag]

When is the metabolism gonna rev up?


Or does he not practice what he preaches?



or maybe milk is making you fat when everyone has always known that dairy makes people gain weight. Especially when you’re combining it with a diet high in refined sugar

What bodyfat % do you classify as "fat"?

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Georgi just looks bulky to me, not fat. And his brain seems to work really well( very good memory, easy- going, his speech is fluid, etc.).

 

[Velve921]

When is the metabolism gonna rev up?


Or does he not practice what he preaches?

Hey buddy,


Welcome to the forum.


I can understand why this process can be confusing and misleading. I was the same way when I started hearing about some of these ideas 8 years ago.


This was during a time where I was following a traditional paleo regimen which had worked wonders for my physique. However, all of a sudden something changed. I started peeing a lot; and eventually I started peeing upto 70x a day.


I started seeing specialist after specialist. 15 or more. None of them had answers. Some even laughed at me.


Then, my urination got so bad that I had to sleep in a bath tub 3 nights in a row so I could pee on myself and sleep at the same time.


This is what drove me to try something new. In this case, ray peat’s material.


My urination went down to under 20 in the first 24 hours and I was no longer sleeping in a bath tub.


So why am I sharing this with you? Sometimes, it can take some real desperation to make changes in your life.


If you learn of Georgi’s story, his health was so compromised that he had to think creatively as well. (Doctors said he had MS) Similar to many people in this community.

If you read up on what Georgi has written about what he eats and aligns it with the literature he posts, it actually lines up well.

I am strict as they come with this material, and I can resonate with his appearance based on my journey.

I think if you take some time and really stay patient with the material and Focus on understanding, things could add up in a new way.

With regards to your thoughts on body fat, I now sit at 18% versus 6% during my heavy urination day. My health is by far better and I’m fatter. I do high amounts of sugar and I feel better.


The thought you should learn more about and ray peat talks about this extensively, is that after years of consuming PUFA, thickening agents, and excessive lactic acid training, the body may not accept sugar like it used to.

However, that doesn’t mean that it’s bad. Case in point, you may need to accept that many peoples bodies are damaged and will do well on sugar, but may not look good on sugar.


I would say learn more about Peat’s and Barnes’s thoughts on supporting a good resting metabolic rate and how great things can come from it.


I hope you find more answers as you continue navigating this community my friend.

 

[ebs]

Being fatter is a great advantage in living a long life. I’ve mentioned this many times and have shown numerous studies and Dr. Peat has said a BMI in the high 20s is most healthy.

Good for Georgy. He’s an amazing person, an incredibly sharp mind, and seems very healthy to me.

At the same time Georgy has posted studies showing that calorie restriction leads to life extension.

 

[Nicole W.]

Wild Animals are free and have to worry about things killing them. Humans are slaves and have to worry about being deceived. When one reads something, their senses are neutered, so it can take a lot of internal struggle to find the light. Haidut has my full support, but we should take Auslanders concern as a worthy mental exercise rather than brush it off. In "real life" if you wish to spread a message you will need to make use of the effect of impression which technology tends to destroy.

So what you mean is to stop absorbing information when it starts to interfere with your ability to see what is happening in the world around you? Is that what you are saying?

 

[BBRP]

Bullying is a sign of high serotonin???

Don’t think I’m bullying. Just something I think we should be questioning.


Reminds me of when I used to follow Dr Morse and he would preach a fruitarian diet, yet he was fat and said how he didn’t even follow the diet -_-

 

[Atman]

When is the metabolism gonna rev up?


Or does he not practice what he preaches?



or maybe milk is making you fat when everyone has always known that dairy makes people gain weight. Especially when you’re combining it with a diet high in refined sugar

Thank you for being so courageous by making a new account and pointing out the elephant in the room.
I mean pretty much everyone was asking themselves this question but nobody dared to speak up.
Yet this question has been the main obstacle in advancing our understanding of Peat's work for years now.
But now finally the word is out and we can start to dig deep into this most urgent and significant issue.
The peatarian of the year award will be yours, I am absolutely certain.

 

[Sofia]

Don’t think I’m bullying. Just something I think we should be questioning.

Reminds me of when I used to follow Dr Morse and he would preach a fruitarian diet, yet he was fat and said how he didn’t even follow the diet -_-

You are helping him and us :)

 

[Marcine]

You have something to learn about how our environments play into our health. Plus the cultural fat hating that you are basically perpetuating. Health at any Size is a real thing. this is an essential movement after so many people, especially women, have ruined their health with eating disorders. you can hate your own fat if that serves you but stop judging others when you know nothing of their traumas, challenges, environments, genetics, toxin exposure, etc. You need to go deeper if you want to make any sense at all of Peat. Maybe gaining compassion is more important than losing your man boobs.

 

[Attakai]

Ah, ok. You`re also a prophet. Great.

I'm assuming you aren't active on many forums, this is a very common thing..
He joined YESTERDAY and asks a controversial question. Seems to know all about the ray peat community and who Georgi is to this forum. If you connect the dots it's fairly obvious.

 

[Kunstruct]

I'm assuming you aren't active on many forums, this is a very common thing..

It actually is a common thing.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

I'm assuming you aren't active on many forums, this is a very common thing..
He joined YESTERDAY and asks a controversial question. Seems to know all about the ray peat community and who Georgi is to this forum. If you connect the dots it's fairly obvious.

Yeah, sadly, I'm starting to get the feeling that that's the case. I wish this thread hadn't gotten so much attention just because of a troll.

 

[lampofred]

OP is getting a lot of hate but I think it's a valid question... I think the answer might be that the Peat diet prevents further degeneration but isn't enough on it's own to reverse damage that has already occurred. I think high dose coffee, moving to a high altitude, etc., in general some large lifestyle changes, are necessary for real regeneration.