Has Anyone Here Successfully Resolved "SIBO" Or Major Stomach Bloating? With Peating Or Anything Els

[Derek]

Oh yes I've thought about it, it bothers my gut just as much when I try to eat my teenage diet. It was a lot of sandwiches, pizza, Japanese, and I put crushed red peppers and other spicy condiments on everything. I cannot do that now without bloating and cramps from the spices. I get what you're saying though, and I believe it is more than 50/50 likely that the extreme experimentation I did over about a decade led to my SIBO condition. Unfortunately it seems to be here to stay for now and I need some way to get back to that healthier gut state. I would gladly eat any diet that fixed it, but the way I think of healthy diet now is to eat as much of what you think is healthy as you can and not worry about too much about eating out or with friends occasionally. I'm far from the orthorexic diet obsessed person I was when I was discovering raw veganism and that whole cultish thought process, but I do believe in some basic biological principles and the Ray Peat type ideas seem to make sense. But again, it's the gut thing that is keeping me from eating what I used to eat, I'd love nothing more than to head to a Thai restaurant for dinner tonight and have a spicy green curry shrimp dish with tons of vegetables and rice, but depending on how I react (it's variable) that could knock me out for the night with bloating and all of tomorrow with stomach cramps until the chili residue works its way out.

You say you can't eat your teenage diet without cramps and bloating, how long have you tried eating this way? These things take weeks for the body to adjust. You would have to go back to your teenage diet and eat this way for like 4-6 weeks to really get any kind of valuable information about how well you do or don't tolerate that particular diet.

 

[Kyle M]

Maybe, maybe not. When I first tried vegetarian I didn't have to go through an adjustment period, same with vegan and eventually raw vegan. I certainly felt hungry all the time before I knew how to get any calories on those diets, but other than that I didn't have any gut problems. And the problems I'm talking about are the same problems I get from any meal provided it has a decent amount of carbs in it, doesn't matter if it's grapes and cheese or a sandwich. Different things affect me a little differently but overall the symptoms are the same, bloating and if there is anything too spicy a big of cramping when it hits the SI.

 

[Evandrojr]

Hi K

Maybe, maybe not. When I first tried vegetarian I didn't have to go through an adjustment period, same with vegan and eventually raw vegan. I certainly felt hungry all the time before I knew how to get any calories on those diets, but other than that I didn't have any gut problems. And the problems I'm talking about are the same problems I get from any meal provided it has a decent amount of carbs in it, doesn't matter if it's grapes and cheese or a sandwich. Different things affect me a little differently but overall the symptoms are the same, bloating and if there is anything too spicy a big of cramping when it hits the SI.

Hi @Kyle M , sorry to hear about your troubles. I swear to God though, it feels like reason. My own story! I have also gone throug all fad diets you can think of: vegan, paleo, keto...and the result was utter complete destruction of my gut and overall health.

I discovered Peat just 1 month ago and have been devouring everything, just finished listening to all danny's podcast for the 3rd time, and although I am faaaaaar from figuring out a solid game plan to heal my gut (the primary problem), I have done a few things that have been working well for me and I thought I'd share them with you.

The number 1 most important thing I did was completely eliminating ALL fiber. So of course no starches, no veggies, not even fruits (plenty of strained/no pulp fruit juice, mainly OJ but some watermelon juice as well). That alone gave me huge relief since I do have SIBO but also excess colon bacteria (which I believe to be your case as well). Second, add a s...load of fructose, mainly through raw honey. This was a godsend, because I can keep my sugar intake high without all the fiber. Regarding OJ, one of the things that I got from the past diets was a terrible peptic ulcer (I believe you might have some gastritis as well, per the symptom you describe), so I limit my OJ consumption to 1-2 glasses per day. I make up for the fructose with honey, for the potassium with coconut water, and vit C I am still trying to figure out, I might use ester-C supplements.

One thing that took me a couple weeks to figure out was the lactose! It may seem like you're tolerating it well in the begging, but I found the it was giving me bloating still (no as much as veggies and starches, but still). So for now I completely cut lactose and will try to reintroduce later. For now I do really well with raw milk hard cheese (Gruyere, regiano, etc). Also upped my protein intake through eggs, liver, grass fed beef, oyster and shrimps.

Finally, on supplements, I've dramatically reduced them since taking way too many on Paleo. I now take vit K and E only, try to get D through sunshine and A from liver. I've found that I was reacting to a lot of ther added crap in supplements. The one supplement I started taking for SIBO specifically was oregano oil, and feels like it's truly helping. It's kinda nasty, super strong, don't use capsules, get the plain oil (I ise the one from whole foods). I take 4 drops am on empty stomach, and again b4 lunch and dinner. You can read up on it, there's a ton of research baking it up but anecdotally I can tell you it seems to work for now. I'll tell you better in 1 month. I did get some Flagyl that I am planning to use for 10 days if all else fails, but for now it seems I'll be able to not have to go that route.

As I said, I am a long way from healed, but feeling one immensely better with these measures. Hope it helps :)

 

[Derek]

Hi K

Hi @Kyle M , sorry to hear about your troubles. I swear to God though, it feels like reason. My own story! I have also gone throug all fad diets you can think of: vegan, paleo, keto...and the result was utter complete destruction of my gut and overall health.

I discovered Peat just 1 month ago and have been devouring everything, just finished listening to all danny's podcast for the 3rd time, and although I am faaaaaar from figuring out a solid game plan to heal my gut (the primary problem), I have done a few things that have been working well for me and I thought I'd share them with you.

The number 1 most important thing I did was completely eliminating ALL fiber. So of course no starches, no veggies, not even fruits (plenty of strained/no pulp fruit juice, mainly OJ but some watermelon juice as well). That alone gave me huge relief since I do have SIBO but also excess colon bacteria (which I believe to be your case as well). Second, add a s...load of fructose, mainly through raw honey. This was a godsend, because I can keep my sugar intake high without all the fiber. Regarding OJ, one of the things that I got from the past diets was a terrible peptic ulcer (I believe you might have some gastritis as well, per the symptom you describe), so I limit my OJ consumption to 1-2 glasses per day. I make up for the fructose with honey, for the potassium with coconut water, and vit C I am still trying to figure out, I might use ester-C supplements.

One thing that took me a couple weeks to figure out was the lactose! It may seem like you're tolerating it well in the begging, but I found the it was giving me bloating still (no as much as veggies and starches, but still). So for now I completely cut lactose and will try to reintroduce later. For now I do really well with raw milk hard cheese (Gruyere, regiano, etc). Also upped my protein intake through eggs, liver, grass fed beef, oyster and shrimps.

Finally, on supplements, I've dramatically reduced them since taking way too many on Paleo. I now take vit K and E only, try to get D through sunshine and A from liver. I've found that I was reacting to a lot of ther added crap in supplements. The one supplement I started taking for SIBO specifically was oregano oil, and feels like it's truly helping. It's kinda nasty, super strong, don't use capsules, get the plain oil (I ise the one from whole foods). I take 4 drops am on empty stomach, and again b4 lunch and dinner. You can read up on it, there's a ton of research baking it up but anecdotally I can tell you it seems to work for now. I'll tell you better in 1 month. I did get some Flagyl that I am planning to use for 10 days if all else fails, but for now it seems I'll be able to not have to go that route.

As I said, I am a long way from healed, but feeling one immensely better with these measures. Hope it helps :)

By removing all problematic foods you are not really correcting the problem, you are just avoiding it for the time being. IMO, it makes you weaker over time. The longer you go without eating fiber, starch, etc... the worse reaction you are going to have when you finally do consume such foods. Just one glass of OJ with some pulp will send you into a tailspin, which of course is not really a normal response to drinking OJ with pulp.

I do agree with you on the raw honey, and depending on how much you are able to consume daily; it can do wonders to heal SIBO, gastritis, ulcers, etc...

If you take fat solubles, you should apply them transdermally.

If you think you truly have SIBO, mastic gum and zinc carnosine are two things I would add to the oregano oil and raw honey.

 

[Evandrojr]

By removing all problematic foods you are not really correcting the problem, you are just avoiding it for the time being. IMO, it makes you weaker over time. The longer you go without eating fiber, starch, etc... the worse reaction you are going to have when you finally do consume such foods. Just one glass of OJ with some pulp will send you into a tailspin, which of course is not really a normal response to drinking OJ with pulp.

I do agree with you on the raw honey, and depending on how much you are able to consume daily; it can do wonders to heal SIBO, gastritis, ulcers, etc...

If you take fat solubles, you should apply them transdermally.

If you think you truly have SIBO, mastic gum and zinc carnosine are two things I would add to the oregano oil and raw honey.

Hi @Derek , thanks for your input. I must say though, I disagree with pretty much everything you said:

1) what's the evidence that removing problematic foods will make me "weaker" to them? By that logic, we should not remove gluten for example. The fiber removal is totally on line with Peat's ideology regarding gut microbiota. He believes a sterile gut is important for optimal health, through reduced endotoxin production. So I see no downside in removing fiber. If I can achieve a reduction in the bacterial population of my gut, next time I eat fiber I shall have less problems, and not more, like you suggested.

2) for the fat soluble vitamins, I use drops under my tongue, proven better absorption than skin

3) mastic gum is specifically effective against H.Pylori, a bacteria that resides in the stomach, whereas SIBO is in the small intestine (as the name suggests), so mastic gum will be ineffective. Zinc carnosine has shown good results in healing stomach lining, again ineffective against SIBO.

 

[Kyle M]

Hi Evandrojr, thanks for joining the convo. It can be very frustrating thinking about this stuff because there is no way to really know the truth. For example, if you or I had not experimented with various diets, would we have similar gut symptoms now? We can't really know that. Same with subtracting foods, knocking down gut flora levels and then adding things back, will you tolerate those temporarily removed foods better or less well than before? And is it because of a change in gut flora, or because of a different change that occurred during your dietary transition, or both? That's where theory comes in, and everyone seems to have one.
I'm about to start a pretty heavy duty regimen, I just got my penicillin and have turpentine ready to go, so starting very soon I'm going to take both of those daily and try to eat an easy to digest diet (sort of like what you do but maybe not as strict no fiber) and add in stuff like plenty of honey, carrot salad, coconut oil etc. that is known to help kill bacteria. If this doesn't work to knock down my post-meal bloating I will be very disappointed, and if I don't report back about it over the next week or so you'll know it killed me.
p.s. - almost every time I read a response on here I see another supplement or substance that supposedly treats SIBO. I have never heard of mastic gum or zinc carnosine before.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

Thebigpeatowski: did you use antibiotocs or just garlic to fix the bacteria? Ive been using your patented recipe for 3 days and feel more calmer and less brain fog. Ive been peating for years but nothing really fixed my low energy, bad teeth, tired state, depression etc. My cute belly ia often a little bit bloated. And i dont seem to digest food very good.

I ordered some tetracycline also.

I've taken tons of antibiotics off and on over the years, they worked for a while but then my issues always came right back...often MUCH worse.

I began to think that my particular microbes were of the resistant sort and so I started using various herbal antimicrobials which I've found to be practically life saving.

For what it's worth, I agree with Derek 100% on the raw honey and cinnamon. I completely quit using white sugar several months ago, I use raw local honey exclusively and find it to be far superior to organic sugar. I also use cinnamon, but only organic Ceylon.....honey must be RAW too.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

Thai restaurant for dinner tonight and have a spicy green curry shrimp dish with tons of vegetables and rice,

You absolutely should be able to eat this kind of meal with NO gut issues whatsoever...a delicious and worthy goal indeed.

The number 1 most important thing I did was completely eliminating ALL fiber. So of course no starches, no veggies, not even fruits (plenty of strained/no pulp fruit juice, mainly OJ but some watermelon juice as well). That alone gave me huge relief since I do have SIBO but also excess colon bacteria (which I believe to be your case as well). Second, add a s...load of fructose, mainly through raw honey.

AGREED!!! When I did my Raw Garlic Shock & Awe I was eating ZERO starch and fiber was under 10 grams most days....eventually though I could tell I needed more fiber for many other health reasons.

potassium with coconut water,

I did this too.

I did get some Flagyl

Terrible, Awful, Very Bad drug...not recommended AT ALL....merely MY opinion.

By removing all problematic foods you are not really correcting the problem, you are just avoiding it for the time being. IMO, it makes you weaker over time. The longer you go without eating fiber, starch, etc... the worse reaction you are going to have when you finally do consume such foods

All very true, but since everyone's context is slightly different....Kyle M will need to experiment on his own. Weed & Feed.

And is it because of a change in gut flora, or because of a different change that occurred during your dietary transition, or both? That's where theory comes in, and everyone seems to have one.

See above.....experiment with bio-film disruptors, less fiber, more fiber, different kinds of fiber, maybe try coffee with NO milk and only honey and gelatin, less fat, more fat etc.

 

[Evandrojr]

Hi Evandrojr, thanks for joining the convo. It can be very frustrating thinking about this stuff because there is no way to really know the truth. For example, if you or I had not experimented with various diets, would we have similar gut symptoms now? We can't really know that. Same with subtracting foods, knocking down gut flora levels and then adding things back, will you tolerate those temporarily removed foods better or less well than before? And is it because of a change in gut flora, or because of a different change that occurred during your dietary transition, or both? That's where theory comes in, and everyone seems to have one.
I'm about to start a pretty heavy duty regimen, I just got my penicillin and have turpentine ready to go, so starting very soon I'm going to take both of those daily and try to eat an easy to digest diet (sort of like what you do but maybe not as strict no fiber) and add in stuff like plenty of honey, carrot salad, coconut oil etc. that is known to help kill bacteria. If this doesn't work to knock down my post-meal bloating I will be very disappointed, and if I don't report back about it over the next week or so you'll know it killed me.
p.s. - almost every time I read a response on here I see another supplement or substance that supposedly treats SIBO. I have never heard of mastic gum or zinc carnosine before.

Completely agree @Kyle M ... we'll never know what damaged us, not even that relevant at this point. What matters is looking forward and counting with the help of the awesome people in this forum to slowly figure out what works to heal us. Good luck with your regimen and please do keep us posted I might want to try and replicate it later on.

 

[Evandrojr]

You absolutely should be able to eat this kind of meal with NO gut issues whatsoever...a delicious and worthy goal indeed.



AGREED!!! When I did my Raw Garlic Shock & Awe I was eating ZERO starch and fiber was under 10 grams most days....eventually though I could tell I needed more fiber for many other health reasons.



I did this too.



Terrible, Awful, Very Bad drug...not recommended AT ALL....merely MY opinion.



All very true, but since everyone's context is slightly different....Kyle M will need to experiment on his own. Weed & Feed.



See above.....experiment with bio-film disruptors, less fiber, more fiber, different kinds of fiber, maybe try coffee with NO milk and only honey and gelatin, less fat, more fat etc.

Big P, thanks for chiming in!! I real your ENTIRE post over the weekend (the huge "good times, bad times"one. You're awesome!!!!

I apologize that I don't know how to do this cool thing where you attach the different sections of people's posts and address them separately, so I'll just sort of write everything here, hope it doesn't get too confusing... So, if you could tell me more about Flagyl I'd really appreciate it. The reason I got it in the first place was that I read on Dr Siebeckers work (a SIBO specialist) that they use both Rifaximin and either Flagyl or Neomycin for methane dominant bacteria overgrowth (my case), but since I dont have access to Rifaximin here in Switzerland, I was going to go with just Flagyl. Although the oregano oil has been working so well I would probably end up not using any pharmacologicals. Let's see how the next couple weeks go, I'll keep you updated.

Regarding your comment on fibers, I wanted to ask you: do you ever get gas or slow motility from the carrot salad? For me, it's been hard to tell... somedays it works wonderfully, I can feel everything moving faster the moment I finidh eating it. And somedays it gives me terrible gas and slow everything up. I'm thinking some of my gut bacteria is feasting in the indigestible fiber, but somedays maybe there's not many of those around so the carrot can do its job of going down sweeping endotoxins and bile residue from both the small intestine and the colon. Anyways, I'd love to hear your experience with it.

Still on the fiber issue, after reading up on Konstantin Monastyrsky from gutsense.org, I'm inclined to really give a long term shot to this ZERO fiber deal. He has great points and even a lot of people on the paleo community are starting to look at him to deal with constipation problems (something I've dealt with since early teens). Long story short, he defends that fiber does help with the mechanics of it all, but in a very unnatural way... our digestive tract is suppose to function without fiber (look at babies!!), but after years of cumulative damage from excess fiber, we became dependent on it. So there's obviously an adjustment period, but with the help of some sporadic Cascara and coffee I've been able to slowly get off the "fiber addiction".

Finally, I'd like to hear your thought on FAT specifically in the context of constipation. I know you've gone Low fat for quire a while... did you notice any effects on your bowel movements, either good or bad? I'm torn between the fact that LESS fat speeds up digestion (since fat consumption slows gastric emptying) which could be beneficial for motility, and the fact that MORE fat releases more bile which is suppose to be good for peristalsis but can also irritate intestine lining. What has been you experience?

Thanks!!

 

[Peater Piper]

what's the evidence that removing problematic foods will make me "weaker" to them? By that logic, we should not remove gluten for example. The fiber removal is totally on line with Peat's ideology regarding gut microbiota. He believes a sterile gut is important for optimal health, through reduced endotoxin production. So I see no downside in removing fiber. If I can achieve a reduction in the bacterial population of my gut, next time I eat fiber I shall have less problems, and not more, like you suggested.

You can look at the specific carbohydrate diet and find people that were able to reintroduce foods that had been problematic with great success, while others seemed to only become more intolerant to certain foods. Even on this forum there's a variety of results, with some people that have been stuck on a low fiber, no starch diet for years and are still unable to tolerate starch and fiber, even in small doses. It comes down to addressing the cause of the sibo in the first place, and it's not always an obvious reason or an easy correction. For example, you mentioned mastic gum being a specific treatment for h. pylori. Low stomach acid is a known risk factor for developing sibo. H. Pylori can lower stomach acid. In such a case, the stomach infection would need to be addressed, otherwise treatment of sibo will only offer short term results before relapse occurs. Peat's approach involves treating the metabolism, and if low thyroid is resulting in slow peristalsis or hypochloridia then it may be a sufficient treatment in conjunction with removal of food sensitivities while the small intestine and metabolism heals. Anyway, I hope your approach works, so keep us updated. I'm yet another one of the users on here that's been battling sibo for a while, and what I thought would be an easy fix has proved to be anything but.

 

[Amazoniac]

Kyle, in my opinion there's no shortcut. You're trying to avoid this transition phase of reintroducing carbs but don't want to deal with the adaptation period.
Honey is going to give you a brief relief, just like if you used other refined carbs. At some point you'll need to reintroduce diversity back.
I would first, make sure that you're well-nourished; and try to get the micronutrients from foods that don't interact so much with bacteria; don't underestimate how much this can damper your progress.
There's a fear that the bloating might get worse over time or it simply won't resolve; however I think that that usually happens when you persist in a malnourished state.
I suggest that you eat as frequent as desired; and make sure that you're rotating plant foods constantly.

Like you mentioned, in every post there will be something new for you to use. The problem is that in most cases you're doing more harm than good; and reinforcing the situation as a hard case.

And regarding antibiotics, for chronic conditions it's best to use very low and for longer; if anything - because usually the metabolism is compromised and you'll only make the situation worse.

The exception to this is when people have multiple infections, and by treating one of them with an acute measure, the situation gets progressively easier, so your immunity is able to deal with whatever remained.

 

[Kyle M]

Kyle, in my opinion there's no shortcut. You're trying to avoid this transition phase of reintroducing carbs but don't want to deal with the adaptation period.

I hear what you're saying, but I started reintroducing carbs years ago. I started with orange juice and dairy and ate some starches here and there, and to be honest 3 years of trying to work around my gut symptoms with Peat style dietary components hasn't done much for me, so I'm going to try an extreme attack on gut flora. I'm willing to take a chance on it being the wrong thing, because from where I'm sitting just keeping going with what I have now is taking a chance, not to mention it profoundly negatively affects my quality of life. I'm not just going to eat crap if my gut starts to get better, in fact if anything I would just eat MORE Peaty stuff, one thing holding me back now is not wanting to eat too much or combine certain foods because of the bloating that may result.

 

[Amazoniac]

I hear what you're saying, but I started reintroducing carbs years ago. I started with orange juice and dairy and ate some starches here and there, and to be honest 3 years of trying to work around my gut symptoms with Peat style dietary components hasn't done much for me, so I'm going to try an extreme attack on gut flora. I'm willing to take a chance on it being the wrong thing, because from where I'm sitting just keeping going with what I have now is taking a chance, not to mention it profoundly negatively affects my quality of life. I'm not just going to eat crap if my gut starts to get better, in fact if anything I would just eat MORE Peaty stuff, one thing holding me back now is not wanting to eat too much or combine certain foods because of the bloating that may result.

You know better than anyone; but trying effectively is different than just trying. If you incorporated foods and removed, this back and forth fashion, after noticing bloating, then it's worth another try. Also, malnutrition can happen even if you're eating a good and healthy diet; which is why I suggested that you investigate if you're not lacking anything.

I hope that I'm wrong, but view your situation from an outer perspective: does a quick fix seem like something that is going work?

Anyway, it's nice that you're determined and I'm waiting for the I told you so as a reply for this comment in a few days. No sarcasm.

 

[Amazoniac]

tara forced me to post this to you: Tummy Troubles

 

[tara]

He believes a sterile gut is important for optimal health, through reduced endotoxin production.

I don't think he proposes that everyone maintain a sterile gut (not practically possible). He did refer to lab experiments with sterile mice, but that's a very controlled environment.

I apologize that I don't know how to do this cool thing where you attach the different sections of people's posts and address them separately,

If you select the bit of text you want to respond to, you'll get a box show where you can click Reply or Quote. I usually use the Reply. If you use quote, it adds it to a list of your quotes that you can then choose to include in your post. You can use the preview button at the bottom to see if it came out the way you intended.

tara forced me to post this to you: Tummy Troubles

Wow, I didn't realise I had such super powers - I wonder what else I can get you to do all the way over there in Brazil by just thinking about it.

 

[Kyle M]

tara forced me to post this to you: Tummy Troubles

I read that article and appreciate the thoughts. I agree that orthorexia is a serious problem in the online diet community, but I don't think I suffer from that, at least not anymore. When I was switching diets from raw vegan to Aajonus Vonderplanitz to paleo to Peat I didn't feel too anxious about it, and I don't feel anxious about eating normal food now, I enjoy it. A little too much maybe. In fact I often forget about how foods are going to affect me (willful ignorance, for the first 15 minutes of any meal I feel good) and then they come again like usual. So in my case I think the mental aspect is low on the list of possibilities. But hey, if none of this crap I'm talking about works, sure I'll try overfeeding.

 

[FredSonoma]

I read that article and appreciate the thoughts. I agree that orthorexia is a serious problem in the online diet community, but I don't think I suffer from that, at least not anymore. When I was switching diets from raw vegan to Aajonus Vonderplanitz to paleo to Peat I didn't feel too anxious about it, and I don't feel anxious about eating normal food now, I enjoy it. A little too much maybe. In fact I often forget about how foods are going to affect me (willful ignorance, for the first 15 minutes of any meal I feel good) and then they come again like usual. So in my case I think the mental aspect is low on the list of possibilities. But hey, if none of this crap I'm talking about works, sure I'll try overfeeding.

I can't be of much advice and I still have issues with digestion, but they are sooo much better than they were 11 months ago when I started Peating (holy crap its been almost a year!). Just within the past month I've been eating starch pretty consistently, for the first time in years. Still experience some endotoxin symptoms, but nothing like I used to. I didn't do anything special, no antibiotics, garlic, raw honey, etc. Just kept following Peat guidelines and slowly moving towards what I felt my body intuitively craving within those general guidelines. I seemed to have as bad of a reaction to starch / SIBO / bloating as anyone I ever met, couldn't even eat the tiniest bit of starch, and all of the sudden I can just eat it. So I'd say just keep working, keep going with it, be slightly weary of drastic quick fixes, and hopefully it should improve as it did with me.

Edit: Sorry, just read up further and saw that you've been working at this for three years. Definitely understand the urge to do something more drastic and would probably do the same myself. I did go a good 10 months with no starch when I first started Peating, drinking tons of coffee, cilantro, and other iron chelators / things for liver health (MB sometimes, Vitamin K2 every day).

 

[redred]

I've taken tons of antibiotics off and on over the years, they worked for a while but then my issues always came right back...often MUCH worse.

I began to think that my particular microbes were of the resistant sort and so I started using various herbal antimicrobials which I've found to be practically life saving.

For what it's worth, I agree with Derek 100% on the raw honey and cinnamon. I completely quit using white sugar several months ago, I use raw local honey exclusively and find it to be far superior to organic sugar. I also use cinnamon, but only organic Ceylon.....honey must be RAW too.

Hi okey. But what exactly does the garlic do? When i asked peat about it he said garlic is as tough on the gut as on bacteria.

What other herbal antimicrobials do you take?

 

[EIRE24]

I hear what you're saying, but I started reintroducing carbs years ago. I started with orange juice and dairy and ate some starches here and there, and to be honest 3 years of trying to work around my gut symptoms with Peat style dietary components hasn't done much for me, so I'm going to try an extreme attack on gut flora. I'm willing to take a chance on it being the wrong thing, because from where I'm sitting just keeping going with what I have now is taking a chance, not to mention it profoundly negatively affects my quality of life. I'm not just going to eat crap if my gut starts to get better, in fact if anything I would just eat MORE Peaty stuff, one thing holding me back now is not wanting to eat too much or combine certain foods because of the bloating that may result.

Is it just bloating or do you get cramps and other things? Have you seen any acne as a result of this?