Guy on forum claims he can only have sex when on heavy drugs & impulsive -- thoughts? Being honest, hardworking, even good looking guy doesn't cut it?

[lampofred]

Maybe what you think is honest, hardworking, good-looking, isn't actually honest, hardworking, good-looking.

 

[Delaney]

Okay but if everyone is horny and out about, why is it guys who can't get laid much then?

Even though women can be just as horny as men, they are usually the ones with more choice than guys. And so being able to pick and choose at leisure, it makes sense to want only the best they can get.

If you struggle to get laid, you are either failing to attract, or there is someone else who is attracting better than you.

So men have to be on tremendous, toxic gear to have sex appeal, but women just need to exist?

Women just need to look good. Men don't have to hop on "toxic gear" to have appeal.

Trust me guys can be super horny even not on any exogenous testosterone, so it seems in that case it could be about presentiveness and approach+looks more so than an actual pheromone.

Indeed. Look at any pornographic video and notice how you can still get intensely aroused in the complete absence of pheromones released by a women (assuming you are on your own).

Can any guy just inject pheromones/high compounds of some sort and become a Chad is what you're saying?

No. "Chad" is a mindset, not a mixture of hormones you can simply inject into you.

 

[tasfarelel]

We should not overthink all this topic about androgens and sexual attractiveness. Because, in the main place it will be the physical changes that attract (muscles combined with a low bodyfat and according facial characteristics).

So despite the hormones, one will still have to train and diet hard...

The other thing that one needs to attract women is confidence. And confidence can come (for some people) from knowing/thinking that you look good. Some need muscles to have this type of confidence

 

[Risingfire]

Androgens of what sort?

I've done SARMs, DHT, androsterone, ketotest, etc. and I can personally tell you it made zero difference for me.

Do you mean "androgens" broadly or testosterone specifically?

Because androsterone is touted as a pheromone yet never has it made any girls suddenly attracted to me even wearing 30+ mg at once.

So "androgens" is a broad "class" of compounds that isn't entirely decided upon its meaning by everyone who uses it.

I'm not saying it's going to help everyone but it will give you an advantage. I've taken high dose andro and test base/dht where I've seen it beneficial.

 

[Regina]

This will be a controversial opinion, but its personally what I think:

Personally, I feel most inclined to 'go for' a female stranger when her estrogen is high
, Red cheeks, sharp bone structure, smell of her pheromones is in the air (when she's horny/ready for mating)

When guys see a horny female, instinctively they want to bed her, because she wants to mate and is displaying those signs so they are just following the intuition when smelling her pheromones

But they dont want to date her, they just want to do the dirty and thats it, they don't care for her actually

So vice-versa, I believe something similar happens here with guys, where a guy needs to do drugs and inject steroids to shift over to a "horny, excited state" where his body presents himself as ready for mating for other females, so he becomes sexually successful with females since they receive those signs and smell his pheromones and instinctively want to bed him as well (High T/High E state)

Although the male is sexually successful, I think the important question to ask here, is:

is this the ideal state?

Personally, I don't think being hyper-sexualized is the ideal state

For example, if someone watches videos of people back in the 90's or before that, these people were low serotonin/estrogen and didn't come across as extremely horny wanting to get with "anyone", they came across as someone you want to have a conversation and want to get to know, perhaps be in a relationship with. Much healthier metabolisms in general

I think the problem here in this current society is that both males and females are running on massive stress, so they're all unbearably horny and don't want to have relationships with good people because their energy is too low to care for another person in that way. They are stuck on level 1 mindset - where you only have energy to have sex, etc. and can't think of much else in any capacity

But like I said, Peating in current society feels like hell because I think ideally we reach a state of health where we care about people and being in a relationship and being a good person, but no one were surrounded with is like that anymore so we become the 'odd man out' and are convinced there is something not right with us when society is the problem.

My personal opinion anyway.

hypersexualized is a 'can't get me no satisfaction' state. And it goes for both male and female.

I remember Costantine, I think it was, said when he did Diamant he loved the people he already loved more.

Addicts are not happy people. It takes more n more to feel anything. Their cup is never full.

The state Costantine (I think) described is a deep sense of love. With a lack of inner turmoil and dissatisfaction.

 

[golder]

hypersexualized is a 'can't get me no satisfaction' state. And it goes for both male and female.

I remember Costantine, I think it was, said when he did Diamant he loved the people he already loved more.

Addicts are not happy people. It takes more n more to feel anything. Their cup is never full.

The state Costantine (I think) described is a deep sense of love. With a lack of inner turmoil and dissatisfaction.

Love this, thanks, couldn’t agree more regarding the insatiable fulfilment of the addict. Would be keen to read Constantine’s post as well if you happen to find it.

 

[Xemnoraq]

This will be a controversial opinion, but its personally what I think:

Personally, I feel most inclined to 'go for' a female stranger when her estrogen is high
, Red cheeks, sharp bone structure, smell of her pheromones is in the air (when she's horny/ready for mating)

When guys see a horny female, instinctively they want to bed her, because she wants to mate and is displaying those signs so they are just following the intuition when smelling her pheromones

But they dont want to date her, they just want to do the dirty and thats it, they don't care for her actually

So vice-versa, I believe something similar happens here with guys, where a guy needs to do drugs and inject steroids to shift over to a "horny, excited state" where his body presents himself as ready for mating for other females, so he becomes sexually successful with females since they receive those signs and smell his pheromones and instinctively want to bed him as well (High T/High E state)

Although the male is sexually successful, I think the important question to ask here, is:

is this the ideal state?

Personally, I don't think being hyper-sexualized is the ideal state

For example, if someone watches videos of people back in the 90's or before that, these people were low serotonin/estrogen and didn't come across as extremely horny wanting to get with "anyone", they came across as someone you want to have a conversation and want to get to know, perhaps be in a relationship with. Much healthier metabolisms in general

I think the problem here in this current society is that both males and females are running on massive stress, so they're all unbearably horny and don't want to have relationships with good people because their energy is too low to care for another person in that way. They are stuck on level 1 mindset - where you only have energy to have sex, etc. and can't think of much else in any capacity

But like I said, Peating in current society feels like hell because I think ideally we reach a state of health where we care about people and being in a relationship and being a good person, but no one were surrounded with is like that anymore so we become the 'odd man out' and are convinced there is something not right with us when society is the problem.

My personal opinion anyway.

Dammmn dude this right here you just said it, thats a really interesting take and id have to whole heartedly agree with you, i think haidut said before too that people who constantly sleep around, thats actually a sign of high estrogen and insatiability, one of the effects of birth control for example is it makes women more promiscuous but more insatiable at the same time, so i see alot of people who do lots of drugs and live that lifestyle tend to always be sex addicts and ***t to the point where they can almost never have healthy stable relationships

Now to somewhat counter all of that i have heard conflicting things such as when people are on lsd apparently they all have orgies and stuff but lsd lowers serotonin and increases dopamine, so then you might ask, is having sexual prowess in the sense of having sex with alot of attractive people the "low serotonin state"? Its all very interesting stuff,

If a substance that lowers serotonin causes people to act in ways promiscuous, like animals, is that the healthy metabolic way? Who knows,

Is some serotonin necessary to have dicipline in life and structure in terms of your relationships? I think this would make a really interesting conversation