Peatogenic
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I don't mean caloric density, just that it feels like a different kind of energy compared to fruit or vegetable carbs.
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I think Peatogenic is trying to draw line between grain starches and vegetable starches (potatoes/tubers)Starch is very satisfying. In a way sugar is not.
I think Peatogenic is trying to draw line between grain starches and vegetable starches (potatoes/tubers)
Yes. And different in how it seems grain starches seem to last longer? It's a sense that vegetable starches or fruits are wasted, in a sense....like they aren't stored as well or something.
So you are saying that grains give you more lasting energy ? Could you clarify which grains do that ? (wheat, oats ? )
Yes. And different in how it seems grain starches seem to last longer? It's a sense that vegetable starches or fruits are wasted, in a sense....like they aren't stored as well or something.
Wheat in the form of bread or pasta ?Yes, wheat. I haven't had oats in a while, but I'd suspect the same.
But you still prefer fruit for energy over potatoes (if I am not mistaken from your previous posts)I have never really noticed better energy when I ate grains. Maybe sour dough bread was an exception, or purely sprouted grain bread, but as far as starches are concerned, potatoes actually seem to give me the best and most sustained energy. Grains give sustained energy, but the digestive issues that usually come with them for me offsets any benefit. The thing I love about potatoes is that they're heavy enough to sustain you/your energy and keep you satiated, but they're not so heavy that they seem to take too long to digest before you want to eat another small meal. And this is the issue for many athletic people like me who eat 4-5 small meals spread throughout the day. (This is also why white rice and beef or chicken or fish is so popular with many bodybuilders). If I eat a grain heavy meal, like pasta or normal bread, it seems to sit on my stomach longer and it is harder to eat my next meal on time. The quality of energy also isn't as good in my experience. I feel more bloated and lethargic on most grains. Energy from tubers seems 'cleaner' to me, as long as they are very well cooked/boiled. White rice and sourdough bread are also exceptions, but relying on those as carb sources without enough leafy greens to offset the lack of nutrition in them is likely to cause you to run into major nutritional issues down the road and also worsen energy levels eventually. Glucose from tubers is a very high quality energy source and had been studied as such and is stored as energy efficiently and just fine.
Yes, I totally agree. I have concluded that I can not go without grain. I just don’t feel my best without it. I’m hungry all the time without that kind of starch and no amount of fruit or potatoes makes up for it. I have to have some grain each day to feel normal. Lately, Wasa crisp bread with butter has been my go-to.Yes. And different in how it seems grain starches seem to last longer? It's a sense that vegetable starches or fruits are wasted, in a sense....like they aren't stored as well or something.
Does rice work as “that grain starch” for you ? Or it’s only wheat /rye / barley / oats / etcYes, I totally agree. I have concluded that I can not go without grain. I just don’t feel my best without it. I’m hungry all the time without that kind of starch and no amount of fruit or potatoes makes up for it. I have to have some grain each day to feel normal. Lately, Wasa crisp bread with butter has been my go-to.
Funny you should ask, I am trying to figure that out. Intuitively, I would say no. But I haven’t experimented enough with that to know for sure. Oats do not really agree with me or make me feel good. Rice seems to give me a “too much sugar” kind of energy, especially if there’s not enough fat/protein to go along with it. I feel balanced when eating wheat or rye, although I think my body likes rye better. I can get some digestive issues with wheat, especially if I eat it several days in a row. I try to eat rye more frequently, and I love the Wasa crackers so that works for me. I kind of wonder if its an ancestral thing... my ancestors were not rice/ potato eaters for the most part. Bread was the main starch in their dietary tradition.Does rice work as “that grain starch” for you ? Or it’s only wheat /rye / barley / oats / etc
How do fruits agree with you ?Funny you should ask, I am trying to figure that out. Intuitively, I would say no. But I haven’t experimented enough with that to know for sure. Oats do not really agree with me or make me feel good. Rice seems to give me a “too much sugar” kind of energy, especially if there’s not enough fat/protein to go along with it. I feel balanced when eating wheat or rye, although I think my body likes rye better. I can get some digestive issues with wheat, especially if I eat it several days in a row. I try to eat rye more frequently, and I love the Wasa crackers so that works for me. I kind of wonder if its an ancestral thing... my ancestors were not rice/ potato eaters for the most part. Bread was the main starch in their dietary tradition.
But you still prefer fruit for energy over potatoes (if I am not mistaken from your previous posts)
Great, I love fruit and I eat at least two servings a day. I also have OJ or Pineapple juice everyday. Fruit always makes me feel good but it’s not lasting ... I get hungry even when I consume it with some form of protein like eggs or milk/ yogurt. If I have a little bread or a few rye crackers along with it I do much better. I can go 4-5 hours without needing to eat again.How do fruits agree with you ?