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Good to know. Don't know which is preferable in a chronic use situation, should that ever become necessary (assuming equal effectiveness). Maybe alternating would be a good strategy.And coconut oil
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Good to know. Don't know which is preferable in a chronic use situation, should that ever become necessary (assuming equal effectiveness). Maybe alternating would be a good strategy.And coconut oil
Thanks, I'll look into this. Been giving them Energin the last few days, and we're going to see the doctor tomorrow.also:
I know I keep pointing out the idea of a thiamine deficiency/functional blockage as potentially the problem but there are a few things here that point to it: constipation, adhd, autism, antibiotic use early on. Many antibiotics block thiamine function.
suggested reading:
SIBO, IBS, and Constipation: Unrecognized Thiamine Deficiency? - Hormones Matter
Is it possible that small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO) is simply a symptom of an underlying vitamin B1 or thiamine deficiency?www.hormonesmatter.comDr. Derrick Lonsdale's bookADD, ADHD and Other Problems of Modern Childhood - Hormones Matter
As a pediatrician in a multi-specialty clinic, I saw a great many children considered ADHD.www.hormonesmatter.com
Eating a "Peat friendly" diet means different things to different people. A lot of people think that it means it's fine to eat sugar and sugary things. But sugar consumption can exacerbate a thiamine problem.
Yes, they wake up at night to pee and/or drink. They often have nightmares, not sure if that's what's waking them up. I'll check their temps. They don't have any skin conditions, but they can have dry skin from time to time.Do your sons suffer any other symptoms such as waking during the night needing to pee, cold extremities, anxiety, dry skin and/or other skin conditions such as eczema? Since you are slightly hypothyroid, you may find it useful to check their temps first thing in the morning and after they eat to see if their warmth is the result of good thyroid function or adrenaline compensating for poor thyroid function.
With those amounts of fruit and fruit juice, I see no need for coke with dinner. Their teeth will be better off without it.Thanks, I'll look into this. Been giving them Energin the last few days, and we're going to see the doctor tomorrow.
Their diet for the last 6 months or so mostly consist of:
* 3-5 fruits every day (organic, mostly clementines, kiwi, bananas. Apples, dates and pears occasionally)
* 3 cups of organic milk (but trying to slow down on the milk right now, to see if that helps for the constipation)
* 1-2 cups of OJ or applejuice, fresh
* 1 Yoghurt (in lack of a better option for school lunch, since we're trying to avoid gluten. Fruits and milk also at school)
* For dinner I usually make red meat, liver once a week (usually hide it in meatballs etc since we don't like the taste), pork occasionally, oxtail soup, bone broth, fish cakes with cod and haddock, meatballs with grassfed minced meat and liver, chicken soup, stew (bone broth, red meat, potatoes, carrots) etc.
* 1-2 eggs daily
* Organic oatmeals occasionally, usually cooking it with milk and cane sugar, and some butter
I make everything myself and I buy mostly organic, and recently I've started to buy grassfed red meat from a local farmer. We usually have potatoes with the meat; cooked, fried (with butter/olive oil) and cooked or fried root vegetables.
They drink coke (with real sugar) with dinner. They also get collagen in their OJ most days, 1-2 ts. Trying to give them 1 ts of coconut oil every day.
Most sugar comes from fruit or fruit juices, but they also get cane sugar. They also eat raw honey, but not every day. Some candy on saturdays (recently learned about high fructose corn sirup, and trying to avoid that aswell now).
I've also quit buying soaps/cleaners/skincare/deodorants/laundry detergent etc, making everything myself. Or buying alternatives without hormone disruptors and other nasty stuff. All plastics are being replaced with glass/metal/natural fabrics etc, but this will take some time, as we're not rich. Using most of our money on food and these kind of things these days..
It's hard to put together a meal plan that works for everyone, but I think I'm starting to get some good routines on food now. Feel free to comment if anyone think I should add/remove something.
I've started to reduce their milk intake to see if that helps.The post started with two 11 year old boys with large stools and no other complaints.
Since they are healthy boys, think about just tweeking their diet vs adding supplements. They are 11.
Getting poop out is good and healthy of course. And maybe their stool size for the amount / type of food they eat is closer to normal than your personal stool size.
Is large thick stools ideal? Probably not maybe?
But if they are happy and developing well- just change the milk and problem solve from there.
My child that had this was a petite little girl. It was shocking, but she outgrew it. I do think it was the dairy in her diet- specifically Dananimals. We simply cut back.
If she couldn’t pass the stool- other intervention was required; but that wasn’t the case.
The one time incedent with the pale stool; keep your eye on. Simply removing the dairy or changing it’s source can remedy that as well.
Hope your fiancé is doing better as well with his headaches and stomach issues iirc.
Thanks :) The pineapples available in Norway kind of sucks, they don't taste anything and no organic options.. I'll check out different types of yoghurt.With those amounts of fruit and fruit juice, I see no need for coke with dinner. Their teeth will be better off without it.
A few ideas come to mind: replace the bananas with pineapple; experiment with different types of yoghurt and/or kefir - greek, sheep based, goat based; raw carrots and well-cooked mushrooms with greens are lacking, I feel. I'm not a fan of water, but some amount of water is definitely needed for bowel movements. They might need extra water outside the meal. One last thought: replacing potatoes with rice 2x a week or so might help.
1 or 2 cups of water are probably not enough liquid. I dislike the cold and tasteleness of water, so I drink warm water with lemon/ginger or tea.Thanks :) The pineapples available in Norway kind of sucks, they don't taste anything and no organic options.. I'll check out different types of yoghurt.
They hate raw carrots unfortunately and I can't get them to eat it. I can add more mushrooms, rice and greens, not been eating alot of that lately. Forgot to mention water, they drink 1-2 cups of water daily aswell.
After we stopped using toothpaste with flour, their teeth has improved alot, but I do think that without coke at dinner, they will get far more proteins than carbs and feel sluggish after eating?
Looks like a great diet and you seem to be a good and caring mother and wife. If reducing or stopping dairy doesn't work, I would look to the fiber and starch aspect of the food, as you've mentioned their large stools. I think soluble fiber is bulk forming (not saying it is a bad thing) but might be something worth noting. Ray Peat have also said that if you have stomach issues starch should be zero. Maybe switch the potatoes to some non starchy vegetables for example. Green vegetables are also rich in vitamin K. I think someone mentioned it previously but people of Nordic descent are genetically more likely to require more choline, so maybe incorporate 1 or 2 more egg yolks, like in a soup, stew or meatballs. Also two small things is that olive oil shouldn't be heated (drizzling it on hot food is prob okay, but not in active cooking), and also see if they like straws to drink their sugary drinks from).Thanks, I'll look into this. Been giving them Energin the last few days, and we're going to see the doctor tomorrow.
Their diet for the last 6 months or so mostly consist of:
* 3-5 fruits every day (organic, mostly clementines, kiwi, bananas. Apples, dates and pears occasionally)
* 3 cups of organic milk (but trying to slow down on the milk right now, to see if that helps for the constipation)
* 1-2 cups of OJ or applejuice, fresh
* 1 Yoghurt (in lack of a better option for school lunch, since we're trying to avoid gluten. Fruits and milk also at school)
* For dinner I usually make red meat, liver once a week (usually hide it in meatballs etc since we don't like the taste), pork occasionally, oxtail soup, bone broth, fish cakes with cod and haddock, meatballs with grassfed minced meat and liver, chicken soup, stew (bone broth, red meat, potatoes, carrots) etc.
* 1-2 eggs daily
* Organic oatmeals occasionally, usually cooking it with milk and cane sugar, and some butter
I make everything myself and I buy mostly organic, and recently I've started to buy grassfed red meat from a local farmer. We usually have potatoes with the meat; cooked, fried (with butter/olive oil) and cooked or fried root vegetables.
They drink coke (with real sugar) with dinner. They also get collagen in their OJ most days, 1-2 ts. Trying to give them 1 ts of coconut oil every day.
Most sugar comes from fruit or fruit juices, but they also get cane sugar. They also eat raw honey, but not every day. Some candy on saturdays (recently learned about high fructose corn sirup, and trying to avoid that aswell now).
I've also quit buying soaps/cleaners/skincare/deodorants/laundry detergent etc, making everything myself. Or buying alternatives without hormone disruptors and other nasty stuff. All plastics are being replaced with glass/metal/natural fabrics etc, but this will take some time, as we're not rich. Using most of our money on food and these kind of things these days..
It's hard to put together a meal plan that works for everyone, but I think I'm starting to get some good routines on food now. Feel free to comment if anyone think I should add/remove something.
Looks like a great diet and you seem to be a good and caring mother and wife. If reducing or stopping dairy doesn't work, I would look to the fiber and starch aspect of the food, as you've mentioned their large stools. I think soluble fiber is bulk forming (not saying it is a bad thing) but might be something worth noting. Ray Peat have also said that if you have stomach issues starch should be zero. Maybe switch the potatoes to some non starchy vegetables for example. Green vegetables are also rich in vitamin K. I think someone mentioned it previously but people of Nordic descent are genetically more likely to require more choline, so maybe incorporate 1 or 2 more egg yolks, like in a soup, stew or meatballs. Also two small things is that olive oil shouldn't be heated (drizzling it on hot food is prob okay, but not in active cooking), and also see if they like straws to drink their sugary drinks from).
I'd like to recommend that you stop giving them the fruit juices. Is the yogurt flavored with fruit? If yes, it's very high in sugar. If the yogurt isn't strained Greek yogurt it will be very high in lactic acid which Ray Peat warns against. People with thiamine deficiency/functional blockage are already high in lactic acid because of faulty oxidative metabolism. Strained Greek yogurt is fine.Their diet for the last 6 months or so mostly consist of:
* 3-5 fruits every day (organic, mostly clementines, kiwi, bananas. Apples, dates and pears occasionally)
* 3 cups of organic milk (but trying to slow down on the milk right now, to see if that helps for the constipation)
* 1-2 cups of OJ or applejuice, fresh
* 1 Yoghurt (in lack of a better option for school lunch, since we're trying to avoid gluten. Fruits and milk also at school)
* For dinner I usually make red meat, liver once a week (usually hide it in meatballs etc since we don't like the taste), pork occasionally, oxtail soup, bone broth, fish cakes with cod and haddock, meatballs with grassfed minced meat and liver, chicken soup, stew (bone broth, red meat, potatoes, carrots) etc.
* 1-2 eggs daily
* Organic oatmeals occasionally, usually cooking it with milk and cane sugar, and some butter
I'd like to recommend that you stop using olive oil; replace it with coconut oil for cooking. Olive oil is pretty high in PUFA; Peat recommended that you limit it to 1/2 teaspoon/day, for flavoring food. Heating it makes it toxic so it should never be used for cooking.I make everything myself and I buy mostly organic, and recently I've started to buy grassfed red meat from a local farmer. We usually have potatoes with the meat; cooked, fried (with butter/olive oil) and cooked or fried root vegetables.
They drink coke (with real sugar) with dinner. They also get collagen in their OJ most days, 1-2 ts. Trying to give them 1 ts of coconut oil every day.
The sugar is the problem. You need to stop doing this.Most sugar comes from fruit or fruit juices, but they also get cane sugar. They also eat raw honey, but not every day. Some candy on saturdays (recently learned about high fructose corn sirup, and trying to avoid that aswell now).
I've also quit buying soaps/cleaners/skincare/deodorants/laundry detergent etc, making everything myself. Or buying alternatives without hormone disruptors and other nasty stuff. All plastics are being replaced with glass/metal/natural fabrics etc, but this will take some time, as we're not rich. Using most of our money on food and these kind of things these days..
Please learn about thiamine.t's hard to put together a meal plan that works for everyone, but I think I'm starting to get some good routines on food now. Feel free to comment if anyone think I should add/remove something.
When blood sugar plummets at night, adrenaline spikes which causes nightmares. Sugary food triggers insulin which drops the blood sugar. The goal is a more even handed approach; the sugary food initiates a roller coaster ride instead of an even keel. The liver is supposed to store sugar and release it evenly throughout the night so that adrenaline is kept low. However, the liver needs thiamine to do its jobs. Thiamine deficiency/functional blockage will result in poor liver function.Yes, they wake up at night to pee and/or drink. They often have nightmares, not sure if that's what's waking them up. I'll check their temps. They don't have any skin conditions, but they can have dry skin from time to time.
Pineapples are a high serotonin food. It's not something I think should be given to kids with ADHD. Bananas are also high serotonin. Thiamine is used by the body to lower elevated brain serotonin. If all the thiamine got used up dealing with sugary food then there would be problems with serotonin clearing the brain properly. Adding high serotonin foods would exacerbate the brain serotonin problem and negative reactions to these foods would be likely.Thanks :) The pineapples available in Norway kind of sucks, they don't taste anything and no organic options.. I'll check out different types of yoghurt.
White rice is nutrient free but it is full of starch which converts to pure glucose within minutes. Well cooked mushrooms (45minutes-1 hour) would be a good food.They hate raw carrots unfortunately and I can't get them to eat it. I can add more mushrooms, rice and greens, not been eating alot of that lately. Forgot to mention water, they drink 1-2 cups of water daily aswell.
Are you making your own toothpaste? Flour = starch = pure sugar. Do your children have any amalgam (silver) fillings? I'd be giving them milk for dinner so they would sleep well.After we stopped using toothpaste with flour, their teeth has improved alot, but I do think that without coke at dinner, they will get far more proteins than carbs and feel sluggish after eating?
He was also eating a lot of healthy fats and some grains - I ground wheat and soaked grains before cooking. I think it all helped with digestion (it was terrible before I made the changes). Eventually I had to cut gluten because of eczema.What helped was lots of broths, fruits, veg, meat, some fermented foods.
Oh that’s good. Thank you.I've started to reduce their milk intake to see if that helps.
Thanks for asking, he is doing better :) As long as he eats the food I make and don't eat elsewhere, he's feeling alot better. Been nauceous a few times after eating a little gluten, but other than that - he's been feeling quite good for the last few weeks :)
Have you tried Einkorn wheat? I cannot tolerate normal wheat myself and then this happened...If gluten made him feel nauseous as you said, stop the oatmeal and any breads. Maybe they are like me, I am not glueten (per a blood test) but the docs say I react to it. Def true.
Coke before bed is caffeine and sugar, that stimulates the brain which could cause the nightmares.
And yes, 3 glasses of milk? Overkill in my humble opinion. I'd say 1 glass a day.
Not everyone gets better bowel movement from things like oatmeal and fiber, etc. Some get constipated far more.
This right here changed my life as I bake bread with this Einkorn flour and eat it everyday without issues....aside from this, what is most interesting -to me at least- is that recently a lot of the research dealing with the supposed ubiquitous “gluten sensitivity” has now been redirected to the subject of ati's, amylase-trypsin inhibitors, which are supposed to be, according to the latest research, the real culprits behind wheat sensitivities. this is why some people swear by einkorn flour, because it's the only gluten-containing grain with low ati's. the sourdough process btw also reduces or effectively renders useless those same ati's.
That kind of bloating is my big issue too. I also get some sort of mucus in the back of my throat. I get increased rosacea, and a feeling that everything from throat to stomach to the very end is swollen and inflamed. It feels like I am too full. I would feel like there is a need for a BM but there is nothing there, hope that's not TMI for everyone, but I think I am not alone when I say wheat does a lot of horrible things to the body.I'm non-celiac gluten sensitive. That's more specific to my blood test, forgive my not being totally clear.
I've had a broken tooth and have been on soft things like eggs, bananas, avocado, etc. Gave up bread, chips, etc for a month. Losing weight. Flat stomach. No bloating issues whatsoever. Little to no slime in esophagus.
The other day I tried chips again.. within minutes I bloated up like I was pregnant. Days later I tried Cinnamon Toast Cereal, bloated up so badly thought I'd pop. Ended up vomiting. Had it WITHOUT milk, BTW, just dry. Cereals ALWAYS make me bloat like mad within minutes and I create this gross slime in my esophagus.. Weird thing is, I can eat huge pieces of, say, those Kringle danish things and not bloat up at all.