why do dairy products give me joint pain?

bradley

Member
Joined
Aug 16, 2012
Messages
219
Whenever I consume dairy products for more than a few days, even in small amounts, I start to have joint pain, mostly in my hands/wrists. I've tried every type, quality, and combination of dairy, same results. As soon as i stop the dairy, the pain goes away in the next couple days. I do not get this from butter or ghee.

Do you think this is an allergy to cassein?

I have suffered from acute lactose intolerance in the past, but it is quite mild now.

Thanks for reading
 

gretchen

Member
Joined
Nov 30, 2012
Messages
816
bradley said:
Whenever I consume dairy products for more than a few days, even in small amounts, I start to have joint pain, mostly in my hands/wrists. I've tried every type, quality, and combination of dairy, same results. As soon as i stop the dairy, the pain goes away in the next couple days. I do not get this from butter or ghee.

Do you think this is an allergy to cassein?

I have suffered from acute lactose intolerance in the past, but it is quite mild now.

Thanks for reading

I got this from used fermented dairy, but not from drinking milk. I've read there are harmful dietary "lectins" in dairy:
http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html
 
J

j.

Guest
Have you tried other brands, types, such as raw, skim , whole? Some people do better just when they change the brand.
 

ntend

New Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2013
Messages
2
I experience the same thing. I've tried all different types (goat, sheep, cow) and brands of cheese, raw cow's milk, pasteurized cow's milk, goat milk, goat kefir, and they all have the arthritis-producing effect, particularly, as OP mentioned, in my hands and wrists. It's very noticeable because I normally have no joint pain at all.
 

burtlancast

Member
Joined
Jan 1, 2013
Messages
2,769
People allergic to dairy often have amalgam fillings in their mouths.
 

bradley

Member
Thread starter
Joined
Aug 16, 2012
Messages
219
Gretchen, interesting. I didn't notice the joint pain as much from milk, but i get bad lactose-intolerance symptoms that the cheese doesn't give me.. just the joint pain :(

gretchen said:
bradley said:
Whenever I consume dairy products for more than a few days, even in small amounts, I start to have joint pain, mostly in my hands/wrists. I've tried every type, quality, and combination of dairy, same results. As soon as i stop the dairy, the pain goes away in the next couple days. I do not get this from butter or ghee.

Do you think this is an allergy to cassein?

I have suffered from acute lactose intolerance in the past, but it is quite mild now.

Thanks for reading

I got this from used fermented dairy, but not from drinking milk. I've read there are harmful dietary "lectins" in dairy:
http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html
 

bradley

Member
Thread starter
Joined
Aug 16, 2012
Messages
219
ntend. I haven't heard of many others with these exact symptoms. Do you react to one for of dairy more than another? Cheese seems to be the worst in terms of oint pain, but best in terms of digestion. It's really unfortunate.

ntend said:
I experience the same thing. I've tried all different types (goat, sheep, cow) and brands of cheese, raw cow's milk, pasteurized cow's milk, goat milk, goat kefir, and they all have the arthritis-producing effect, particularly, as OP mentioned, in my hands and wrists. It's very noticeable because I normally have no joint pain at all.
 

Jenn

Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2013
Messages
1,035
Anything the body can not digest properly is a toxin...even if it is supposed to be good for you. ;)

Are you drinking raw milk? If not, try raw milk. If you are already drinking raw milk, check your pH. Pancreatic enzymes have a small pH range in which they will function, if the intestinal pH is outside of that range, the enzymes are dormant. Raw milk contains all the enzymes to be digested...but act like pancreatic enzymes in that they still need the correct pH range to function.

Speaking from experience, baking soda can be used therapeutically to aid the pH of the intestines. Plant based enzymes help too...but cost a lot more. ;)
 

Dean

Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2013
Messages
529
Jenn,

How much baking soda do you ingest or recommend ingesting to provide therapeutic aid to the intestinal ph?
 

Jenn

Member
Joined
Feb 24, 2013
Messages
1,035
It really going to depend on the person. My issues may not be the same as your issues. ;)

I am too acidic, so I take 1/8-1/4 tsp baking soda 15-20 minutes before a meal, then ACV with the meal to help digest it. I may take 1/2 tsp 20-30 minutes before a meal to aid the kidneys.

My friend is too alkaline, she just uses ACV to help digest as taking extra baking soda would add to the stress on her body at this point in time, not relieve it. She does take lots of baths though for the CO2 that soda provides. She uses a dust mask therapeutically for her son as an alternative to breathing into a paper bag.

Too much baking soda can upset urine pH, which can lead to UTI (women especially)...so pay attention and back off, if needed.
 

biggirlkisss

Member
Joined
Mar 1, 2013
Messages
905
Try warming the milk then drinking it. It could be the cold milk is lowering your metabolism.
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
F Indus Civilization People Ate Mainly Meat and Dairy Products Scientific Studies 1
B Iodine In Dairy Products Concerns Ask For Help or Advice 0
C About To Experiment With A2 Milk After Over 20 Years Of No Dairy Products Milk 9
T Consuming High-fat Dairy Products Found To Make Lung Function In Smokers Even Worse Scientific Studies 1
biggirlkisss Taking Out Greek Yogurt All Dairy Products Ask For Help or Advice 3
B Phytoestrogen Content Of Foods Of Animal Origin: Dairy Products, Eggs, Meat, Fish, And Seafood Articles & Scientific Studies 2
S Best Non Dairy And Non Supplement Ways To Get Calcium? Digestion 18
metabolizm Why Would Dairy Cause Dandruff? Ask For Help or Advice 21
J Honey And Dairy Kill Libido And Ability To Get Erection Thyroid and Hormones 31
N Sinus Infection From Dairy? Diet 0
bluefish Dairy, Estrogen, Etc Etc Diet 4
Hans Fat Up The Health Benefits With Dairy Fat Articles & Scientific Studies 23
J Acne Breakout After Quitting Dairy Skin 5
L Dairy-rich Diet Linked To Lower Risks Of Diabetes And High Blood Pressure Dairy 3
boris Dairy Farms Forced To Dump Millions Of Liters Of Milk Political Talk, Alternative World Theories 7
Ben Stone First Time Eating Dairy In 30 Years = Acne! Advice? Diet 10
N Anti-Peat Mic The Vegan On The Dangers Of Dairy Debate - Anti-Peat 8
J Is Dairy Bad For Hair Loss? Hair & Nails 12
Lenny How Do You Get Enough Sugar On Dairy-free Diet? Ask For Help or Advice 8
hiconscience Raw Dairy Diet 2
boris Antibiotics + Milk. Should Antibiotics Really Not Be Taken With Dairy? Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs 1
Mito Dairy Foods, Dairy Fat, Diabetes, And Death: What Can Be Learned From 3 Large New Investigations? Articles & Scientific Studies 8
Jake sullivan Bringing To Attention The Dark Side Of Dairy Dairy 144
Hildy Wow, Peat Is Right! Milk And Dairy Really ARE Weight Loss Foods Milk 43
Inaut Sugar, Dairy & Metabolic Health W/ Danny Roddy Danny Roddy 38
J Salt, Dairy,sugar Blood Flow Health 9
DaveFoster Dairy Fat May Protect Against Type II Diabetes Scientific Studies 6
A Is Raw Dairy More Estrogenic Than Pasteurized Dairy? Dairy, Eggs 15
Mito Milk And Dairy Product Consumption And Cardiovascular Diseases Articles & Scientific Studies 0
F Is Dairy Or People's Reactions To Dairy A Cause Of Its Lymphatic Congestion? Diet 3
mayweatherking Rate This Non Dairy Diet Diet 7
T Simple Antioxidant Smoothie I Make Daily (dairy Free) Recipes 0
S Is PUFA Hiding In Dairy Foods Now? Diet 11
C Which Dairy Is Okay? Hair & Nails 13
Peatogenic Should I Consider Myself Unhealthy If I Do Best Without Grains Or Dairy? Diet 83
Cirion Voltage Gate Calcium Channel & EMF's & Dairy Intake? Calcium 12
N Dr John McDougall- Pro Starch, Anti-meat/dairy, Swears It's Anti-cancer Discussing Dietary Models 23
Runenight201 Dairy Fat And Fatigue Cheese 34
G Learning To Dairy Farm Miscellaneous 10
cyclops Pregnant Cows = High Estrogen Dairy Fat? Diet 41
A Article: "Dairy Fat May Be Saturated, But It's Not Unhealthy The Way Animal Fats Are." Dairy 1
dfspcc20 Quality Dairy: Better In Tropics Or Temperate Climates? Milk 13
S Dairy Fat Problems Diet 11
Westside PUFAs The Promotion Of Dairy Vs. The Promotion Of Kale The Ray Peat Forum Lounge 52
Nicolas Noyola Dairy Intake And Semen Quality Among Men Attending A Fertility Clinic Scientific Studies 24
W Fish And Dairy Diet, Recipes 8
F Cant Digesting Eggs And Dairy Digestion 4
A Effect Of Dairy On Androgens Dairy 20
C Fermented Dairy Has Been A Staple Of My Diet, Causing Some Issues Diet 11
T Cutting Out Homogenised Dairy Has Cleared All My Digestive Issues, Including Geographic Tongue Digestion 43

Similar threads

Top