The Earth Is Flat, Intellectuals Weep

[Waynish]

Some people who ostensibly believe that 'the Earth is literally flat' probably are in fact just pretending to and are literally agents of NASA e.g. working to set up this poppinjay. I would imagine that about fifteen years ago it had been getting a bit too socially-acceptable to believe the moon landings didn't actually occur as NASA et al. has maintained, so they then had created an intentionally-ridiculous strawman to detract from this fact and also to polarize the issue. Speaking publicly about the legitimacy of the moon landing now, as purported by NASA, a person would then have to assume the suspicion of being a 'flat-Earther'—as projected by many people. There are many others who would now, who wouldn't have previously, become put-off by alternative moon landing information simply because it has been tarnished by flat-Earth nonsense: YouTube videos of official landing footage are now intercalated with obnoxious flat-Earth videos, also making it difficult to suggest to others that they ought to view them. But think I get what you're saying because this thread is actually titled The Earth Is Flat, Intellectuals Weep, which besides being more nonsense because no serious 'intellectual' would actually 'weep'—they'd likely be appalled—it may serve to imbibe Ray Peat's ideas with a sense of illegitimacy when perceived by many people.

Haha... Exactly! Hard not to notice the subversive tactics of the flat earthers suddenly everywhere online these days!

 

[Travis]

We see here a spinning liquid object being held together by surface tension, van der waals forces? But is there really some pulling force from gravity needed to hold the molecules together? I don't think so.
Cannot we dismiss this whole gravity idea with density and buoyancy and effects of the aether?

Van der Waals forces can explain the affinity of alkanes for each-other, yet most liquids are held together more strongly by polarity. Uncharged molecules are more often found in the gas phase at same temperature because they are attracted to nothing, while the same-mass charged molecules will find something to adhere to. Take for instance ammonia (NH₃) and ammonium (NH₄⁺), nitrogen dioxide (NO₂) and nitrite (NO₂⁻), and carbon trioxide (CO₃) and carbonate (CO₃²⁻). In all foregoing cases, it is the less-charged species that has the lower boiling point on account of less intermolecular association. Even though water (H₂O) has no formal charge, it is highly polar and as such has partial positive (δ⁺) and partial negative (δ⁻) charges. Water also has a geometry that allows-for efficient packing. Van der Waals forces can explain the difference in boiling points between n-hexane and cyclohexane, two molecules having essentially the same mass yet differing in 'contact area.' Intermolecular affinity is largely a gravity-independent process simply because Coulomb forces have more influence than does gravity at the chemical level. For instance: it would take 35,330,000,000,000,000,000,000 ammonia molecules to equal one gram of ammonia gas, yet each molecule could have a one-proton charge should they all be converted into ammonium (NH₄⁺). If you look up the respective boiling points of low molecular weight species of same mass yet differing in charge, I think you'd concur that gravity plays little role in defining liquid/gas states.

 

[Jing]

not real? how do you figure? what about satellite images? Google earth? And no, people have orbited the earth, you can watch the feed from the ISS. What you're insisting is beyond impossible. It's hard to see any way that you aren't just trolling.

Because they look fake and it's admitted they are artist impressions .. satellite images and just from high altitude balloons and planes no need for a sphere ... Google earth go look at it, it is fake untill you get close they use cars and high altitude balloons and planes ... ISS just look at the fake videos ... Even if it isn't faked why does earth need to be a sphere to fly above it? Don't see how it's impossible you walk on flat floor everyday ...

 

[Jing]

i dont think you read it well enough.
This is explained with the cue stick and the chess pieces on the car roof. it is because of compression of distance due to perspective.

Exactly perspective not curvature..

 

[Jing]

Aplanetruth.info this website can give you some information .. I'm not going to bother debating it's the same as trying to convince someone that PUFA are bad you are just not going to listen .. you are convinced that no one can lie lmao .. you want to believe not know ...

 

[Jing]

https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_cat.php?categoryID=1484 composite images and animations..

 

[Jing]

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html how blue marble was made ...

 

[Jing]

They take pictures of a flat earth from high altitude and then wrap it around a 3d ball .

 

[Waynish]

Aplanetruth.info this website can give you some information .. I'm not going to bother debating it's the same as trying to convince someone that PUFA are bad you are just not going to listen .. you are convinced that no one can lie lmao .. you want to believe not know ...

The guy makes it very hard to get in touch with him. He's no researcher - he's a shill who is trying to invalidate some related theories by associating them with himself. He has no interest in being informed, criticized, or given new information. He's even selling a flat Earth book! This is exactly what a paid shill looks like. His primary method is guilt by association. He weakens legitimate theories and feigns support for illegitimate ones.

 

[Waynish]

Aplanetruth.info this website can give you some information .. I'm not going to bother debating it's the same as trying to convince someone that PUFA are bad you are just not going to listen .. you are convinced that no one can lie lmao .. you want to believe not know ...

Are you trying to make the idea that PUFAs are problematic weak by association? Are you claiming that this forum and Peat's work have not shown problems with PUFAs? Your style of argumentation makes me suspicious.

 

[Jing]

Are you trying to make the idea that PUFAs are problematic weak by association? Are you claiming that this forum and Peat's work have not shown problems with PUFAs? Your style of argumentation makes me suspicious.

I'm just saying it's the same thing if you debate people over PUFA you will be called insane ...

 

[Jing]

But it comes down to gravity .. there is no evidence for gravity without gravity you can't have a spinning ball....

 

[Jing]

The guy makes it very hard to get in touch with him. He's no researcher - he's a shill who is trying to invalidate some related theories by associating them with himself. He has no interest in being informed, criticized, or given new information. He's even selling a flat Earth book! This is exactly what a paid shill looks like. His primary method is guilt by association. He weakens legitimate theories and feigns support for illegitimate ones.

You can also buy books on heliocentric model does that mean it's fake then?

 

[KDub]

Agreed. Exploring these ideas can be interesting and enlightening in many ways. Watching YouTube videos full of faulty logic and misunderstandings of math and physics can be very eye opening.

We should be more protective of the forum, however, as you say, because of the threat of imbibing Peat’s work with a sense of illegitimacy, thereby preventing someone from actually exploring the non-mainstream but accurate information here. Suppose someone with health issues comes to the forum looking for help, but sees that it is full of flat earth nonsense, that person may not stay to see the good stuff, and end up suffering physically because of it. One of the main things that drew me to the forum is the constant citation of reputable sources.

There are plenty of places out there to discuss these kinds of things. Why sully this forum?

 

[ddjd]

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[JamesGatz]

Don't give up people ... you're on to spmething

The Earth may be flat after all and if its not - theres something major they're lying about concerning the shape, etc.

And guess what? If the earth isn't round then gravity doesn't exist

HOWS THAT FOR A MIND BLOW?? NOTHING YOU LEARNED IN SCHOOL IS REAL

 

[JamesGatz]

Doesn't anyone find it HILARIOUS that the United Nations Logo is literally the flat earth map?

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And for you people that want to treat this as a joke -

THINK about it:

How do you know that the earth is round and gravity exists?

Science books? Written by the elitists

The theory of gravity/relativity? Written by masons/elitists

Satellite imagery ? ALL satellites and space centers are controlled by the elite - think about it

You could prove it by sailing past antartica but its against the law for you to go there - anywhere in the world

You can't even fly over Antartica - why don't they let you do that? Think about it

They control what you know about the world and history since you were born

They cared enough to put effort into faking the moon landing so is this really all that different?

 

[PeskyPeater]

Let's see how a 'Geocentrist' debunks the flat earth models, Flerfers be stunned !

 

[PeskyPeater]

Van der Waals forces can explain the affinity of alkanes for each-other, yet most liquids are held together more strongly by polarity. Uncharged molecules are more often found in the gas phase at same temperature because they are attracted to nothing, while the same-mass charged molecules will find something to adhere to. Take for instance ammonia (NH₃) and ammonium (NH₄⁺), nitrogen dioxide (NO₂) and nitrite (NO₂⁻), and carbon trioxide (CO₃) and carbonate (CO₃²⁻). In all foregoing cases, it is the less-charged species that has the lower boiling point on account of less intermolecular association. Even though water (H₂O) has no formal charge, it is highly polar and as such has partial positive (δ⁺) and partial negative (δ⁻) charges. Water also has a geometry that allows-for efficient packing. Van der Waals forces can explain the difference in boiling points between n-hexane and cyclohexane, two molecules having essentially the same mass yet differing in 'contact area.' Intermolecular affinity is largely a gravity-independent process simply because Coulomb forces have more influence than does gravity at the chemical level. For instance: it would take 35,330,000,000,000,000,000,000 ammonia molecules to equal one gram of ammonia gas, yet each molecule could have a one-proton charge should they all be converted into ammonium (NH₄⁺). If you look up the respective boiling points of low molecular weight species of same mass yet differing in charge, I think you'd concur that gravity plays little role in defining liquid/gas states.

 

[Raw Egg Gnostic]

It's amazing that earth is the only flat planet we currently know of in the universe, it makes so much sense that this would be the case with every other visible planet being a sphere and all....... We are so special on planet earth.

Because the billiard balls are round. The pool table must be a sphere.

Get on a plane and fly from NYC to Los Angeles. Bring a compass with you. Observe how you are flying west towards the sunset. Go to the Holllywood walk of fame. Get on another plane and fly from LA to Hawaii, still traveling west. Spend some time on the beach. Go to the observatory on the big island and look at the galaxy in that pristine Pacific Ocean sky. Then get on a plane and fly from Hawaii to Bangkok. Still traveling west. Then fly from Bangkok to Rome. Go see the colosseum. Then fly from Rome back to NYC. Debunked.

West is not a stable direction. On either model it curves as it is defined according to its relation to north. If you check a compass and draw a straight line in the direction of north, if you walk along this line the compass will always read north. But if you check a compass, see what direction is west, draw a straight line going in that direction, if you walk along this line, eventually you will no longer be going west.

I will watch "flat earth stupidity" video tonight. Normally these videos are easily debunked. The fact is that whatever the shape, flat earthers are the real scientist who question reality and experiment while the globetards are normally just echoing what they were told by the high priests of scientism, Bill Nye and Neil Tyson.