SOCIAL EXPERIMENT: What is your BODY COUNT?

[Cloudhands]

And what is that healthy male social behavior? What is "practical masculine concern for sex"?

You are socialized into a culture of competition, consumption, and artificial scarcity, and when you didn't obtain the status markers of this culture you hallucinate something like "it's better to be feared than loved". In reality you are probably neither feared nor loved. 'Stoic philosophy' is idealistic fantasy sold to over-worked, pleasure deprived, circumcised American workers so that they keep grinding silently.

You know it's a great shame that this forum has Ray's name on it, and when I discuss aspects of his work people come across this forum and question the authenticity of his work.

hit the nail on the head

 

[des yeux]

@JamesGatz They should make a special forum for you to contain your questionings and realizations about the state of the most competitive, vapid, crowded and rat infested place that is New York City. But it's certainly not relevant here. Just move south as you said, volunteer to help a poor kid as a Big Brother, or convert to Islam and find a virgin bride and 72 more in the afterlife.

 

[des yeux]

Are any of the ladies here debt-free virgins?

If so feel free to PM me

Sincerely,
A debt-free 28 y.o. male with a body count of 1

Sincerely asking, what is special about virgins? I have met Christian and Muslim virgins who are totally armored and closed to life, and people with a dozen sexual partners who are grounded and healthy and full of life. What's worse: some virgins I know have been put on birth control for health reasons. So there are no guarantees with broad generalizations.

 

[ursidae]

funny because him, and others, openly admitted to being that way, im not making a generalization, im referring to specific conversations ive had with these people

this is true
saying it can get you banned though

 

[Cloudhands]

this is true
saying it can get you banned though

you mean what i said can get me banned? or saying the things ik accusing of can?

 

[Regina]

Sincerely asking, what is special about virgins? I have met Christian and Muslim virgins who are totally armored and closed to life, and people with a dozen sexual partners who are grounded and healthy and full of life. What's worse: some virgins I know have been put on birth control for health reasons. So there are no guarantees with broad generalizations.

Bingo.
When I was driving yesterday, the thought came to mind that IF I had to pick just ONE person from the forum to be my neighbor, it would be Blossom. Though there are many others here I would also like.
When I think of the word "pure", I think that the person's words, deeds, actions, thoughts, heart, mind are unambiguated.

Even in a SHTF environment, I would want the people around me to be endowed with that interpretation of "pure."
That is undefiled. With Blossom, I think, 'this is an undefiled person.'

 

[Korven]

Jodelle once asked Ray what porn addicts and guys who masturbate a lot could do. His answer was "I think mostly they need a girlfriend..."

So he was very much a proponent of "body count" and not "tissue count".

That is good to know! Now all I need to do is set a trap with 1 quart of milk and a bottle of progest-E and I should find myself a suitable mating partner.

 

[-Luke-]

That is good to know! Now all I need to do is set a trap with 1 quart of milk and a bottle of progest-E and I should find myself a suitable mating partner.

Let me know about the design of that trap when you have figured it out. Will try it out.

 

[Jennifer]

That is good to know! Now all I need to do is set a trap with 1 quart of milk and a bottle of progest-E and I should find myself a suitable mating partner.

You’ll know she’s your match if she can also balance an orange on her head.

 

[Korven]

Let me know about the design of that trap when you have figured it out. Will try it out.

It is quite effective as you can see... almost got one!

 

[-Luke-]

@Korven:
It would have saved me a lot of trouble if I had known it was that easy.

 

[JamesGatz]

@JamesGatz They should make a special forum for you to contain your questionings and realizations about the state of the most competitive, vapid, crowded and rat infested place that is New York City. But it's certainly not relevant here. Just move south as you said, volunteer to help a poor kid as a Big Brother, or convert to Islam and find a virgin bride and 72 more in the afterlife.

Want to know something crazy? I'll bet MY LIFE SAVINGS that I am TOP 5 lowest-stress people on this forum and I'm NOT BRAGGING but I mention that because: I NEVER have felt like being sexually promiscuous unless I was under stress

So this is a game: I got some of you people accusing me of being "high-stress" and thats why I view sexuality the way I do when the reality is I BET BIG MONEY I am lower stress than the vast majority of people on this forum, I do not just have the right diet - I have the right lighting, the right clothes and shoes, I spend NEARLY the whole day at the park and don't really have to worry about a job

I'm not saying MY WAY is the right way, but what I am saying is NONE OF YOI CAN TELL ME what is the right way If I have LOWER STRESS than the vast majority of you

Would you agree with the statement:

If you have a healthy metabolism you should act more like a child?

If you do, can you EXPLAIN TO ME how someone could BOTH act like a child and be sexually promiscuous? Seems like a CATCH 22 to me

And when I'm at the park? I see animals acting similar to me, I see the same swan couples ducks walking by the two's or in groups, these animals don't seem to be worried about having sex all the time or orgies, sex does not seem to be their first priority, they seem to act like CHILDREN

I haven't LIVED in NYC my whole life, I've spent time in Florida, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Central America - I have NEVER FELT like being sexually promiscuous unless I was UNDER STRESS

 

[JamesGatz]

Sincerely asking, what is special about virgins? I have met Christian and Muslim virgins who are totally armored and closed to life, and people with a dozen sexual partners who are grounded and healthy and full of life. What's worse: some virgins I know have been put on birth control for health reasons. So there are no guarantees with broad generalizations.

Thats funny because I HAVE HAD THE OPPOSITE experience, I can actually tell someones body count just by the way they talk and act in person - when you have sex with somebody, it will be IN YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS for the rest of your life, AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE ME CAN TELL -thats the fact of the matter

Im NOT MAKING GENERALIZATIONS but you guys CANT DO THAT EITHER

 

[JamesGatz]

I too would be surprised if Ray viewed the masculine’s (and the feminine’s) concern for sex with disgust given some of the things he said about the subject:

“High estrogen does sometimes cause insatiable sexual interest, partly because it increases adrenal androgens, and partly by inhibiting satisfying orgasms. Too much progesterone can suppress or neutralize the androgens. Thyroid is the best way to regulate the system, keeping libido up, making orgasms satisfying.

[Does masturbation or sex have positive or negative effects on the hormones or stress?] Generally positive, but intense arousal can have unwanted consequences, such as herpes virus outbreaks.”

It seems to me Ray had a great deal of respect for human biology and was in favor of optimizing hormones, and when we optimize our hormones, our bodies are going to want to make tiny humans. It’s natural.

So ONCE again

Having A HIGH LIBIDO is not the SAME THING as being SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS - you can have a HIGH LIBIDO yet not feel like having sex with many different people

 

[JamesGatz]

Also, why are you people COMING INTO MY THREAD thumping RP QUOTES, Do you see that title at the top of the page "Think, Perceive, Act", Ray was right about diet but there was a lot of things thats QUESTIONABLE that he has said and he also passed away at 86 so you all SHOULD NOT take EVERYTHING the man has said at face-value and truths without valid discussion

 

[Jennifer]

So ONCE again

Having A HIGH LIBIDO is not the SAME THING as being SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS - you can have a HIGH LIBIDO yet not feel like having sex with many different people

I realize this. I have a high libido and don’t feel like having sex with many different people.

Also, why are you people COMING INTO MY THREAD thumping RP QUOTES, Do you see that title at the top of the page "Think, Perceive, Act", Ray was right about diet but there was a lot of things thats QUESTIONABLE that he has said and he also passed away at 86 so you should all SHOULD NOT take EVERYTHING the man has said at face-value and truths

Because this is not the JamesGatz Forum, it’s the Ray Peat Forum, and a member was questioning Ray’s view on sex.

 

[AspiringSage]

. . .

You know it's a great shame that this forum has Ray's name on it, and when I discuss aspects of his work people come across this forum and question the authenticity of his work.

I like to think of the attacks on Ray’s work like low grade viral colds that circulate in the population. In the individual, the immune challenges help build a stronger immune system. The immune system learns and develops better responses. On a population scale, there are always a few deaths, but the overall result is a higher degree of fitness in the population.

I think this analogy translates fairly well into idea space. The attacks on Ray’s work gradually cause the pruning of partially developed ideas, the reinforcement and persistence of ideas that are more easily defended and the acceptance of well developed ideas. The attacks condition responses in the community of Ray Peat adherences helping them to grow stronger and improving responses. So, it actually makes sense to allow discourse on opposing ideas, at least to an extant.

Personally, I view the extraordinary degree of regulatory capture achieved by big agriculture, big pharma and academia as deeper threats to Ray’s ideas on hormones, diet and metabolism than anything happening on this forum. Look at the conflation of synthetic progesterins with progesterone in huge swaths of the scientific literature.

 

[nomoreketones]

But there are no racists and white supremacists here

I don't think there is. I don't think a forum of open minded people would interest them.

 

[kyle]

Most people would trade a lifelong marriage for any 'body count.' If for whatever reason you want to argue this point - be it some bohemian fantasy or simply issues or defects keeping you from maintaining fidelity - this fact goes beyond custom or simple preference, it's rooted down in human nature.

 

[Peatress]

But there are no racists and white supremacists here

*Why* do they want us to eat bugs?

Can't recall where I read this but I read something that stated they are creating a HIVE MIND - where everyone looks Egyptian and lives for the HIVE - makes sense to me Think about it, they send Middle Eastern refugees all over Europe And they sent mexicans all over the US In either of these...

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