Schooling System Is Designed To Destroy Children

[Dessert_All_Day]

I think you should ask yourself what type of "society" they are trying to "benefit." Different societies need different types of educational systems. If you read the foundational works of modern education, which Charlotte Iserbyt provides an excellent summary, you will see that they are very open in their desired end goal of worldwide scientific socialism; where all decisions are made by experts and not by citizens. A thinking questioning citizen may be desirable for a republic but it is very dangerous to a scientific dictatorship.

Even if that was "their" goal, the wealthiest and most productive people would simply move to more capitalist countries. And the countries that adopt socialism would crumble (history shows they always do).

Note that an infrastructure that includes a public education system is not synonymous with socialism.

 

[Marg]

Even if that was "their" goal, the wealthiest and most productive people would simply move to more capitalist countries. And the countries that adopt socialism would crumble (history shows they always do).

Note that an infrastructure that includes a public education system is not synonymous with socialism.

I don't think that the wealthiest people in the power structure have to move anywhere at all because I think they are doing just fine here now.

The Kleptocracy rules this country by using basic warfare tactics of outflanking the plebes, the stuporous masses (until such time as they wake up) by Congressional acts of legislation, which dictate national educational policies by the Dept. Of Education. It is required by federal law that every child must obtain an education, until a certain age.

Town and city school boards are also given the 'carrot' of federal funding, which is usually the only thing that keeps less affluent communities afloat and financially viable for the poor as well as the ever shrinking middle class. Private or parochial schools, which are funded privately and by alumni, have greater autonomy in their self-governing principles. For example, federally funded schools are required to give certain vaccinations as dictated by federal law. Private schools are mostly exempt.

Not only do I think that the educational system is synonymous with the term 'socialism; I think that it is defined by it.

From American Heritage College Dictionary:

Socialism:
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or BY A CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT THAT OFTEN PLANS AND CONTROLS THE ECONOMY. Education is indeed such a commodity.

Now this becomes a matter of broad semantics because this legislative system is comprised of socialist, fascist, and neofeudalist elements; Congress critters of every stripe, be they 'liberals', 'conservatives', 'neocons', 'christian right', 'libertarians', etc..for the most part don't seem to be displaying any fervor to change this status quo, and it is also difficult for any few newly elected, reform minded politicians to oppose highly funded political PACS and highly influential career politicians who habitate important committees and like this status quo.

I think that meaninful change must come from the grassroots level, from the bottom up. Even if people are stuck with the public education system, parents need to spend more quality time with their children, and hopefully teach by example and principle to offset the damaging influences that children are bombarded with every day. Not easy, but definitely something to aspire toward.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

I don't think that the wealthiest people in the power structure have to move anywhere at all because I think they are doing just fine here now.

The Kleptocracy rules this country by using basic warfare tactics of outflanking the plebes, the stuporous masses (until such time as they wake up) by Congressional acts of legislation, which dictate national educational policies by the Dept. Of Education. It is required by federal law that every child must obtain an education, until a certain age.

Public schooling isn't required though. One can obtain a GED certificate or other certification.

Town and city school boards are also given the 'carrot' of federal funding, which is usually the only thing that keeps less affluent communities afloat and financially viable for the poor as well as the ever shrinking middle class. Private or parochial schools, which are funded privately and by alumni, have greater autonomy in their self-governing principles. For example, federally funded schools are required to give certain vaccinations as dictated by federal law. Private schools are mostly exempt.

This is why it's a good idea for some parents to home school or private school their kids.

Not only do I think that the educational system is synonymous with the term 'socialism; I think that it is defined by it.

From American Heritage College Dictionary:

Socialism:
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or BY A CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT THAT OFTEN PLANS AND CONTROLS THE ECONOMY. Education is indeed such a commodity.

Public education is a public good. Most economists see it as an extremely cost-effective way to tackle a multitude of societal goals. You wouldn't find private schools in a socialist economy.

Now this becomes a matter of broad semantics because this legislative system is comprised of socialist, fascist, and neofeudalist elements; Congress critters of every stripe, be they 'liberals', 'conservatives', 'neocons', 'christian right', 'libertarians', etc..for the most part don't seem to be displaying any fervor to change this status quo, and it is also difficult for any few newly elected, reform minded politicians to oppose highly funded political PACS and highly influential career politicians who habitate important committees and like this status quo.

I think that meaninful change must come from the grassroots level, from the bottom up. Even if people are stuck with the public education system, parents need to spend more quality time with their children, and hopefully teach by example and principle to offset the damaging influences that children are bombarded with every day. Not easy, but definitely something to aspire toward.

Nobody with the requisite IQ is "stuck" with the public education system for very long. We all pay for it in taxes of course, but those are negligible relative to the societal benefits; public schools are effectively daycare centers for the poor and the stupid.

 

[Queequeg]

Even if that was "their" goal, the wealthiest and most productive people would simply move to more capitalist countries. And the countries that adopt socialism would crumble (history shows they always do)..

The globalists know this far better than we do. This is exactly why the whole world must be brought under the same socialist system with absolutely no exceptions. Soon there will be no free countries left to move to.
Common Core is Skinnerian based training designed to create passive and obedient world citizens. It is based on the UN's World Core and will be rolled out to all countries in the world.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

The globalists know this far better than we do. This is exactly why the whole world must be brought under the same socialist system with absolutely no exceptions. Soon there will be no free countries left to move to.
Common Core is Skinnerian based training designed to create passive and obedient world citizens. It is based on the UN's World Core and will be rolled out to all countries in the world.

Is this x-ray peat under a different username?

 

[Queequeg]

Is this x-ray peat under a different username?

lol, no but I do like a lot of his posts. I am actually Ray Peat.

 

[Marg]

Public schooling isn't required though. One can obtain a GED certificate or other certification.

It is a federal law and parents can be jailed for non compliance. An earlier post was correct about this. Whether or not this law is applied would be the perogative of each individual school board authority.

This is why it's a good idea for some parents to home school or private school their kids.

I agree with you that homeschooling could offer so many advantages than public schooling. The government also regulates this in terms of what educational material needs to be covered as per the national standard requirements. The homeschooler can do way more than the standard system and, with dedicated parents go way beyound the standard fare of groupthink and confomity, and help cultivate student creativity and critical thinking.

The dificulty comes with the unfortunate reality that in this economy two parents must work to make ends meet. Some people who have homeschooled have sacrificed the second income by cutting back on their spending, and have reaped great rewards from homeschooling.

I think also that many people would be intimidated with the idea that they could educate their children in the first place because of the belief that some 'expert' is required.

You wouldn't find private schools in a socialist economy.

Private schools exist for the elite in every country on earth, be they in their native country, or in Switzerland for example.

Nobody with the requisite IQ is "stuck" with the public education system for very long. We all pay for it in taxes of course, but those are negligible relative to the societal benefits; public schools are effectively daycare centers for the poor and the stupid.

In most cases, people are forced to send their children to public educational system due to their socioeconomic status, unless they are lucky enough to be a scholarship recipient.

Public schools are more than just passive warehouses of daycare for the poor and 'stupid', they are the very building blocks for creating a permanent disadvantaged underclass under the guise of 'education.'

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From
Brave New World
Aldous Huxley

'For of course, they didn't content themselves with merely hatching out embryos: any cow could do that.

"We also predestine and condition. We decant our babies as socialized human beings, as Alphas or Epsilons, as future sewage workers or future..." He was going to say "future World controllers," but correcting himself, said " future Directors of Hatcheries, " instead.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

lol, no but I do like a lot of his posts. I am actually Ray Peat.

Lol! Well the exchange has been an honor, Dr. Peat.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

Agreed. I think one of the problems with things like this is that the people who realise there's a problem waste valuable time and energy trying to discuss it with proles who could care less.

If you've been around the lower class and seen how they treat themselves and their children you would realize that it's not lack of knowledge that keeps them from being more involved with their children, it's lack of care.

Unfortunately these type of people tend to have the highest number of children. Dumb, primitive consumers. Perfect breeders for the new world order.

The fertility drop hadn't touched them one bit. The only people who have seen a drop in fertility are upper class whites and high IQ people.

The real tragedy here is the soul crushing effect this skinnerian schooling has on those children with potential.

 

[sladerunner69]

Any investment of energy in these institutions keeps them functioning, where they reiterate destructive ideologies that trap more youths in feelings of helplessness and desperation because they lack skills in the real world, yet they must undergo years of training and indoctrination during the crucial stages of learning and development. Mandatory training without skills; it's really a fantastic deal.

Retreat to Rapture. Take your skills and humanity with you.

LEL individualist until the end, eh?

There is only one direction that leads to some kind of reformation of the system, and I don't think it's "retreating"

Plus I think there is a burgeoning conservative backlash to the government takeover of schooling the past 50 years, so that gives me at least a glimmer of hope... Even if the conservative/redpill ambitions for education probably don't neatly meat my ideal either

 

[Luann]

Homeschooling is a thing. And no one is forced to live in the states (or countries) which enforce such policies.

Yeah, of course there are loopholes. That doesn't make the evil any less. The culture is shaped to push kids into school, most houses are two income, parents putting kids in daycare from a young age, no time or money to school kids. I was homeschooled, it wasn't easy, we did tons of ramen and cheap food, thrift stores.

 

[Queequeg]

Lol! Well the exchange has been an honor, Dr. Peat.

 

[sladerunner69]

So you do you think teachers should be more respected and payed more? Or should they understand that anyone could be a teacher potentially?

 

[DaveFoster]

LEL individualist until the end, eh?

There is only one direction that leads to some kind of reformation of the system, and I don't think it's "retreating"

Plus I think there is a burgeoning conservative backlash to the government takeover of schooling the past 50 years, so that gives me at least a glimmer of hope... Even if the conservative/redpill ambitions for education probably don't neatly meat my ideal either

Yeah, that'd be war.

 

[Queequeg]

So you do you think teachers should be more respected and payed more? Or should they understand that anyone could be a teacher potentially?

Why should we offer more respect or pay to people who are knowingly or unknowingly brainwashing our children. I think the best thing we could do is to remove any Federal or State control, remove any professional certification requirements and encourage more people with backgrounds in the subjects to teach as opposed to the socialist education majors who may not really know their subjects that well. The way they are teaching common core math now is an embarrassment that will only make children hate math even more. Apologies to any individual teachers on the site. I am sure that you are doing your best within a very corrupt system.

edit: I just realized you were making the same point with your second sentence. So yes anyone has the potential to be a good teacher

 

[sladerunner69]

Okay, that makes sense to me. What specifically would be a better way to teach math?

 

[Queequeg]

Okay, that makes sense to me. What specifically would be a better way to teach math?

 

[Barliman]

Homeschooling is a thing. And no one is forced to live in the states (or countries) which enforce such policies.

Effectively, economic pressures make moving state impractical for most people. By the time you have found a new job for the breadwinner and paid out significant moving costs you will have experienced a substantial economic loss. Many people in the US particularly, where there has been such a decline in real wages for all but the very top of the economic pyramid, simply will not have the resources to fund such a shift.

 

[Barliman]

If you can edit, make it clear from the start, unless you want to check who reads you all to the end!



I think it enhances that not only institutions are the culprit!
Up to what point it is designed to destroy children? I think it is co-designed with all of us, or most.

If you look at Gatto's boook "The Underground History of American Education" where he discusses the adoption of the Prussian system of education in the US, it becomes very clear that the current system was designed.

Gatto has done a great job of referencing critical letters by members of the Rockefeller and Carnegie families in particular, lobbying for these changes to the system to allow for forced public schooling. He also has done a great job of documenting the deterioration in literacy levels since the start of this system. The system as it stands is designed to make obedient and unimaginative office and factory workers. There is a separate private system designed to make the rulers and leaders.

 

[Xisca]

@Barliman It can be a little bit different in each country, but how do you explain some similarities all over the world? Or is it so different from one country to the other, more than I suppose?
In Europe schooling also came as a consequence of the wars, because they saw the problem that people did not understand each other, or military orders, because they spoke different local languages. All societies have designed their education system to fit their goals, and modern survival needs something very different from the old farming ways.
So of course I can understand they designed a system that could provide workers for example, a different type of workers than before. And society as a whole made profit of it, this is in that sense I meant we are co-responsable. One of the most incredibly unfair problem is the very low price of food!
We all want to buy economic food, don't we?
...but this is the counterpart of wanting factory workers. So now, it is necessary to have machines, bigger and bigger, and hectares of land etc, to make a living. This food production system is what has changed most, and you might know the work of an australian com patriot called Bill Molisson. He also DESIGNED:
PERMACULTURE.