Sheila
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Good day to you @bzmazu
Since this is the most current thread to mention Artemisinin, I will post here.
It is my current conclusion that Artemisinin works as a pleasant and gentle form of 'chemotherapy' removing immature and inappropriately multiplying white blood cells from the system through its ROS reaction with sequestered iron in those immature cells. Reduction of WBC 'overburden' obviously takes the strain off the system in various ways but I am yet to see how - other than 'strain removal' function which should not be underestimated - how it improves the fibrosis that affects bone marrow (and blood cell production) in these lowered energy states. So, metabolic improvement is also key to full recovery. I am sure this is no more than you have already concluded.
In many patients there is also lowered red blood cell production, lowered platelets and lowered haemoglobin (and therefore oxygen transport) as a result of changes to bone marrow through creeping fibrosis (a function of 'cold' metabolic conditions) and this might be exacerbated by lowering iron levels. I know that the suggestion is to take iron, in a non-toxic form (which?) to make some available to the body for its proper purposes but I am not sure how then this does not become available to the cancer cells as well which sort of defeats the objective. Do you have any information on this? Are there 'better' forms of iron? What am I missing?
In a related thread, @haidut said......."As Ray explained in a recent interview, what is officially called CLL is actually simply a symptom of high estrogen - high LDH, high serum copper, and high WBC." Which makes perfect sense when I look across my patients - the men often also have prostate issues, nocturnal frequency etc - AND together with oestrogen, I suspect high cortisol is in the picture there as well. Another issue here is also endotoxin and how one suppresses that also from keeping the whole shebang going. It is possible that in some way, Artemisinin works on that too, if it works on SIBO, but there has to be a limit on how much one can take without going through the therapeutic window and into toxicity. I have not seen large dose Vitamin K2 be that useful in CLL, sorry @haidut, although Vitamin K2 did improve RBC in some other patients with other chronic disease states. Why one lot and not the other, that is a question indeed.
A very long way of saying, if this tea and whole plant reduces enlarged prostate symptoms by targeting oestrogen/cortisol/endotoxin in some way that Artemisinin extract can not, then one is working on more than just prostate and it should be useful to CLL as well. The palate bitterness of the tea as a digestive stimulant might play a part here. And of course I can not rule out that removing iron is key to recovery in more than just CLL cancer states, hence Artemisinins apparent activity across other cancers and chronic disease states. The question is, what happens if iron becomes obviously low, to supplement, or not and how and are there any other ideas to encourage RBC production? I mention this here because Artemisinin might cause lower iron levels in those with non-bone marrow diseases with longer term use so this is probably relevant to all users.
Any thoughts dear man? Have you come across any reliable solutions?
Best regards
Sheila
Since this is the most current thread to mention Artemisinin, I will post here.
It is my current conclusion that Artemisinin works as a pleasant and gentle form of 'chemotherapy' removing immature and inappropriately multiplying white blood cells from the system through its ROS reaction with sequestered iron in those immature cells. Reduction of WBC 'overburden' obviously takes the strain off the system in various ways but I am yet to see how - other than 'strain removal' function which should not be underestimated - how it improves the fibrosis that affects bone marrow (and blood cell production) in these lowered energy states. So, metabolic improvement is also key to full recovery. I am sure this is no more than you have already concluded.
In many patients there is also lowered red blood cell production, lowered platelets and lowered haemoglobin (and therefore oxygen transport) as a result of changes to bone marrow through creeping fibrosis (a function of 'cold' metabolic conditions) and this might be exacerbated by lowering iron levels. I know that the suggestion is to take iron, in a non-toxic form (which?) to make some available to the body for its proper purposes but I am not sure how then this does not become available to the cancer cells as well which sort of defeats the objective. Do you have any information on this? Are there 'better' forms of iron? What am I missing?
In a related thread, @haidut said......."As Ray explained in a recent interview, what is officially called CLL is actually simply a symptom of high estrogen - high LDH, high serum copper, and high WBC." Which makes perfect sense when I look across my patients - the men often also have prostate issues, nocturnal frequency etc - AND together with oestrogen, I suspect high cortisol is in the picture there as well. Another issue here is also endotoxin and how one suppresses that also from keeping the whole shebang going. It is possible that in some way, Artemisinin works on that too, if it works on SIBO, but there has to be a limit on how much one can take without going through the therapeutic window and into toxicity. I have not seen large dose Vitamin K2 be that useful in CLL, sorry @haidut, although Vitamin K2 did improve RBC in some other patients with other chronic disease states. Why one lot and not the other, that is a question indeed.
A very long way of saying, if this tea and whole plant reduces enlarged prostate symptoms by targeting oestrogen/cortisol/endotoxin in some way that Artemisinin extract can not, then one is working on more than just prostate and it should be useful to CLL as well. The palate bitterness of the tea as a digestive stimulant might play a part here. And of course I can not rule out that removing iron is key to recovery in more than just CLL cancer states, hence Artemisinins apparent activity across other cancers and chronic disease states. The question is, what happens if iron becomes obviously low, to supplement, or not and how and are there any other ideas to encourage RBC production? I mention this here because Artemisinin might cause lower iron levels in those with non-bone marrow diseases with longer term use so this is probably relevant to all users.
Any thoughts dear man? Have you come across any reliable solutions?
Best regards
Sheila