Many Officially Diagnosed Cancers Are Not Cancer At All

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While this study is mostly about thyroid "cancer" it actually highlights a problem that Ray has written a lot about - i.e. the manipulation of official diagnostic criteria to skew disease cure rates in favor of modern medicine. Thankfully, the trend seems to be reversing and thyroid "cancer" is the first one to go in the dustbin. Hopefully, as the article mentions, breast / lung / prostate "cancers" are to follow soon.
I wonder how many people got actual cancers due to misdiagnosis and aggressive treatment of the the imaginary "cancer"...
The other scary part is how easily these words are thrown around. All it takes for an official disease to come into being or disappear is for a panel of experts to gather and decide to name or rename a list of 2-3 symptoms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/health/thyroid-tumor-cancer-reclassification.html?_r=0

"...An international panel of doctors has decided that a type of tumor that was classified as a cancer is not a cancer at all. As a result, they have officially downgraded the condition, and thousands of patients will be spared removal of their thyroid, treatment with radioactive iodine and regular checkups for the rest of their lives, all to protect against a tumor that was never a threat. Their conclusion, and the data that led to it, was reported Thursday in the journal JAMA Oncology. The change is expected to affect about 10,000 of the nearly 65,000 thyroid cancer patients a year in the United States. It may also offer grist to those who have been arguing for the reclassification of some other forms of cancer, including certain lesions in the breast and prostate."

"...The reclassified tumor is a small lump in the thyroid that is completely surrounded by a capsule of fibrous tissue. Its nucleus looks like a cancer but the cells have not broken out of their capsule, and surgery to remove the entire thyroid followed by treatment with radioactive iodine is unnecessary and harmful, the panel said. They have now renamed the tumor. Instead of calling it “encapsulated follicular variant of papillary thyroid carcinoma,” they now call it “noninvasive follicular thyroid neoplasm with papillary-like nuclear features,” or NIFTP. The word “carcinoma” is gone."

"...Many cancer experts said the reclassification was long overdue. For years there have been calls to downgrade small lesions in the breast, lung and prostate, among others, and to eliminate the term “cancer” from their name. But other than the renaming of an early stage urinary tract tumor in 1998, and early stage ovarian and cervical lesions more than two decades ago, no group other than the thyroid specialists has yet taken the plunge. In fact, said Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society, the name changes that occurred went in the opposite direction, scientific evidence to the contrary. Premalignant tiny lumps in the breast became known as stage zero cancer. Small and early-stage prostate lesions were called cancerous tumors. Meanwhile, imaging with ultrasound, M.R.I.’s and C.T. scans find more and more of these tiny “cancers,” especially thyroid nodules."

"...Dr. Barnett S. Kramer, director of the division of cancer prevention at the National Cancer Institute, said, “There’s a growing concern that many of the terms we use don’t match our understanding of the biology of cancer.” Calling lesions cancer when they are not leads to unnecessary and harmful treatment, he said. At major medical centers, many patients with encapsulated thyroid tumors are already being treated less aggressively. But, thyroid experts say, that is not the norm in the rest of the country and the rest of the world."

"...“I told the surgeon, who was a good friend, ‘This is a very low grade tumor. You do not have to do anything else.’ ” But the surgeon replied that according to practice guidelines, she had to remove the woman’s entire thyroid gland and treat her with radioactive iodine. And the woman had to have regular checkups for the rest of her life. “I said, ‘That’s enough. Someone has to take responsibility and stop this madness,’ ” Dr. Nikiforov said."
 
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Thank you for sharing, Haidut. Very important information, and also very sad state of affairs in the "health" industry. And like you, I just wonder, how many went on to develop real aggressive cancer from these standard carcinogenic treatments. I bet a big percentage of them.
 
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The worst is prostatectomy that are almost all needless and have terrible quality of life results.
 

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Class Of Thyroid Tumor Reclassified: Not Cancer


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/h...-reclassification.html?smid=qz-nyts-swap&_r=0

The reclassified tumor is a small lump in the thyroid that is completely surrounded by a capsule of fibrous tissue. Its nucleus looks like a cancer but the cells have not broken out of their capsule, and surgery to remove the entire thyroid followed by treatment with radioactive iodine is unnecessary and harmful, the panel said. They have now renamed the tumor. Instead of calling it “encapsulated follicular variant of papillary thyroid carcinoma,” they now call it “noninvasive follicular thyroid neoplasm with papillary-like nuclear features,” or NIFTP. The word “carcinoma” is gone.

Many cancer experts said the reclassification was long overdue. For years there have been calls to downgrade small lesions in the breast, lung and prostate, among others, and to eliminate the term “cancer” from their name. But other than the renaming of an early stage urinary tract tumor in 1998, and early stage ovarian and cervical lesions more than two decades ago, no group other than the thyroid specialists has yet taken the plunge.

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Stumbled across this article about a particular type of thyroid tumor being reclassified, which will result in fewer thyroid removals (and "treatments" with radioactive iodine). This seemingly confirms what @haidut said on a recent Generative Podcast episode where he explained that a lot of the time the "treatment" for cancer can end up being deleterious or even fatal in cases where it could have just been left untreated.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/h...-reclassification.html?smid=qz-nyts-swap&_r=0

The reclassified tumor is a small lump in the thyroid that is completely surrounded by a capsule of fibrous tissue. Its nucleus looks like a cancer but the cells have not broken out of their capsule, and surgery to remove the entire thyroid followed by treatment with radioactive iodine is unnecessary and harmful, the panel said. They have now renamed the tumor. Instead of calling it “encapsulated follicular variant of papillary thyroid carcinoma,” they now call it “noninvasive follicular thyroid neoplasm with papillary-like nuclear features,” or NIFTP. The word “carcinoma” is gone.

Many cancer experts said the reclassification was long overdue. For years there have been calls to downgrade small lesions in the breast, lung and prostate, among others, and to eliminate the term “cancer” from their name. But other than the renaming of an early stage urinary tract tumor in 1998, and early stage ovarian and cervical lesions more than two decades ago, no group other than the thyroid specialists has yet taken the plunge.

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Stumbled across this article about a particular type of thyroid tumor being reclassified, which will result in fewer thyroid removals (and "treatments" with radioactive iodine). This seemingly confirms what @haidut said on a recent Generative Podcast episode where he explained that a lot of the time the "treatment" for cancer can end up being deleterious or even fatal in cases where it could have just been left untreated.

Thanks for this. I think we may be duplicating threads a bit, so feel free to merge yours and mine.
Many Officially Diagnosed Cancers Are Not Cancer At All
 

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Ah, didn't see this when I searched. Great stuff! Thanks.

And thank you @whoever merged it. :)
 

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While this study is mostly about thyroid "cancer" it actually highlights a problem that Ray has written a lot about - i.e. the manipulation of official diagnostic criteria to skew disease cure rates in favor of modern medicine. Thankfully, the trend seems to be reversing and thyroid "cancer" is the first one to go in the dustbin. Hopefully, as the article mentions, breast / lung / prostate "cancers" are to follow soon.
I wonder how many people got actual cancers due to misdiagnosis and aggressive treatment of the the imaginary "cancer"...
The other scary part is how easily these words are thrown around. All it takes for an official disease to come into being or disappear is for a panel of experts to gather and decide to name or rename a list of 2-3 symptoms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/health/thyroid-tumor-cancer-reclassification.html?_r=0

"...An international panel of doctors has decided that a type of tumor that was classified as a cancer is not a cancer at all. As a result, they have officially downgraded the condition, and thousands of patients will be spared removal of their thyroid, treatment with radioactive iodine and regular checkups for the rest of their lives, all to protect against a tumor that was never a threat. Their conclusion, and the data that led to it, was reported Thursday in the journal JAMA Oncology. The change is expected to affect about 10,000 of the nearly 65,000 thyroid cancer patients a year in the United States. It may also offer grist to those who have been arguing for the reclassification of some other forms of cancer, including certain lesions in the breast and prostate."

"...The reclassified tumor is a small lump in the thyroid that is completely surrounded by a capsule of fibrous tissue. Its nucleus looks like a cancer but the cells have not broken out of their capsule, and surgery to remove the entire thyroid followed by treatment with radioactive iodine is unnecessary and harmful, the panel said. They have now renamed the tumor. Instead of calling it “encapsulated follicular variant of papillary thyroid carcinoma,” they now call it “noninvasive follicular thyroid neoplasm with papillary-like nuclear features,” or NIFTP. The word “carcinoma” is gone."

"...Many cancer experts said the reclassification was long overdue. For years there have been calls to downgrade small lesions in the breast, lung and prostate, among others, and to eliminate the term “cancer” from their name. But other than the renaming of an early stage urinary tract tumor in 1998, and early stage ovarian and cervical lesions more than two decades ago, no group other than the thyroid specialists has yet taken the plunge. In fact, said Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer at the American Cancer Society, the name changes that occurred went in the opposite direction, scientific evidence to the contrary. Premalignant tiny lumps in the breast became known as stage zero cancer. Small and early-stage prostate lesions were called cancerous tumors. Meanwhile, imaging with ultrasound, M.R.I.’s and C.T. scans find more and more of these tiny “cancers,” especially thyroid nodules."

"...Dr. Barnett S. Kramer, director of the division of cancer prevention at the National Cancer Institute, said, “There’s a growing concern that many of the terms we use don’t match our understanding of the biology of cancer.” Calling lesions cancer when they are not leads to unnecessary and harmful treatment, he said. At major medical centers, many patients with encapsulated thyroid tumors are already being treated less aggressively. But, thyroid experts say, that is not the norm in the rest of the country and the rest of the world."

"...“I told the surgeon, who was a good friend, ‘This is a very low grade tumor. You do not have to do anything else.’ ” But the surgeon replied that according to practice guidelines, she had to remove the woman’s entire thyroid gland and treat her with radioactive iodine. And the woman had to have regular checkups for the rest of her life. “I said, ‘That’s enough. Someone has to take responsibility and stop this madness,’ ” Dr. Nikiforov said."
The "group think", or club of eye rollers I've noticed in The Bioethics Society seem so well intending and yet completely unaware of industry forces that buy into chasing the patent drug cure rather than giving any consideration to metabolism. Avoiding metabolism is sheer brain washing of the brilliant. I have odd thinking and too short attention and admire the big thinking capacity of the accomplished cancer and other doctors I've known. That said, I know they are as enslaved to the money making grindstone as any slave. I wish I had the capacity to consider research the way biochemists and others are able. The way Danny Roddy has developed the ability to deeply understand electrical transfers in complex is processes us inspiring..Hopefully everyone hear will grow such skills. It's all very daunting but I pray we avoid the falling for falacies of authorities and develop greater sensitivity to reality. Listened to Danny Roddy's 2nd interview with Ray Peat and was completely blown away as they related to their feeling noted from taking penecillan. I'm so exhausted from a walk around the block there's not much left to sense such things.
 

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The worst is prostatectomy that are almost all needless and have terrible quality of life results.


There are so many smart men who have been talked into prostate surgery I always give compassionate support and secretly pray for the peace of mind to forgive the doctors for selling such short sighted ***t. I've lost a dozen close friends to over treatments of Cancer, LouGertigs, and sudden aorta anurisms, the shell game of truth is wrong.
 

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I am a victim of this exactly! Pressured into surgery that I never needed (and that dental x rays caused in the first place, which Ray has confirmed, but mainstream medicine will never admit).

I still feel guilty for consenting to it, but I had no information at the time, and they scare the living daylights out of you that you have CANCER. It is truly ****88 up.

On the one hand I am grateful that led to me to Ray and I feel like I'm healthier now in many ways. But if I avoided the diagnosis in the first place, I wouldn't be condemned to thyroid meds for life that I can't even get a prescription for! (My doctor at the time: "It's no big deal. This is the good cancer to have. All you'll have to do is take a little pill for the rest of your life." Yeah right! It's only no big deal if you're ok with being a zombie on T4 meds. Ask for T3 and all hell breaks loose.)

At least they only removed 1/2 my thyroid, and I didn't do radiation.
 

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I am a victim of this exactly! Pressured into surgery that I never needed (and that dental x rays caused in the first place, which Ray has confirmed, but mainstream medicine will never admit).

I still feel guilty for consenting to it, but I had no information at the time, and they scare the living daylights out of you that you have CANCER. It is truly ****ed up.

On the one hand I am grateful that led to me to Ray and I feel like I'm healthier now in many ways. But if I avoided the diagnosis in the first place, I wouldn't be condemned to thyroid meds for life that I can't even get a prescription for! (My doctor at the time: "It's no big deal. This is the good cancer to have. All you'll have to do is take a little pill for the rest of your life." Yeah right! It's only no big deal if you're ok with being a zombie on T4 meds. Ask for T3 and all hell breaks loose.)

At least they only removed 1/2 my thyroid, and I didn't do radiation.
Glad they only got you for half...It'd possible to regrow. What was the T4 that you took? HOW did it make you feel? There are something like 80million people on thyroid treatment....just because it's cheap they think it's another diagnosis binky to to price and release like a range animal. Just kidding, sort of.
 

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Glad they only got you for half...It'd possible to regrow. What was the T4 that you took? HOW did it make you feel? There are something like 80million people on thyroid treatment....just because it's cheap they think it's another diagnosis binky to to price and release like a range animal. Just kidding, sort of.

That would be cool if it re-grew! I guess I'll never know as I don't plan to go through any more tests. I do feel like I need less thyroid meds these days but who knows... could be that I've been off PUFA for so long.

Synthroid gave me hives from the dyes. Then I think I got on a generic T4 plus a bit of NDT (not enough) that I got from my ND. Before the surgery I'm sure I was somewhat hypo but after I had zero energy and had extremely painful periods and other estrogen symptoms that doctors had no answers for.

I was trying to figure it all out when I finally stumbled on RayPeat.com and realized the root cause of my problems was under-treated hypothyroidism. Funny how none of these MDs or NDs I'd seen ever mentioned that to me as a possibility!

I've tried to work with them to get myself an adequate dosage of T3 and T4 meds, but have yet to find one who cared about my symptoms instead of zeroing in on my 0 TSH and freaking out. So I said **** it. The whole experience has destroyed my trust in doctors and I honestly don't think most are that smart.

I can't even imagine where I'd be now if not for Ray Peat. Words cannot express how much I love that man!
 
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That would be cool if it re-grew! I guess I'll never know as I don't plan to go through any more tests. I do feel like I need less thyroid meds these days but who knows... could be that I've been off PUFA for so long.

Synthroid gave me hives from the dyes. Then I think I got on a generic T4 plus a bit of NDT (not enough) that I got from my ND. Before the surgery I'm sure I was somewhat hypo but after I had zero energy and had extremely painful periods and other estrogen symptoms that doctors had no answers for.

I was trying to figure it all out when I finally stumbled on RayPeat.com and realized the root cause of my problems was under-treated hypothyroidism. Funny how none of these MDs or NDs I'd seen ever mentioned that to me as a possibility!

I've tried to work with them to get myself an adequate dosage of T3 and T4 meds, but have yet to find one who cared about my symptoms instead of zeroing in on my 0 TSH and freaking out. So I said **** it. The whole experience has destroyed my trust in doctors and I honestly don't think most are that smart.

I can't even imagine where I'd be now if not for Ray Peat. Words cannot express how much I love that man!
Gratitude is the best stuff on earth and particularly when you have the energy to enjoy your life. Thanks for sharing. For two years my OSTEOPATH GENERAL PRACTITIONER WHO ALSO HAS A PHD. IN PHARMACY had the honesty to tell me, "I have no idea what to do for you"...but the blood work looks really bad so let's see if Levothyrox works. Honestly shows us how being yanked by a bunch of money dogs can turn smart, caring folks into title holding order followers.
 

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While this study is mostly about thyroid "cancer" it actually highlights a problem that Ray has written a lot about - i.e. the manipulation of official diagnostic criteria to skew disease cure rates in favor of modern medicine. Thankfully, the trend seems to be reversing and thyroid "cancer" is the first one to go in the dustbin. Hopefully, as the article mentions, breast / lung / prostate "cancers" are to follow soon.
There's a biology professor at my community college who is way ahead of his time and basically said, "cancer is a lot of diseases, with different causes, that people think of as one disease". He went into more detail besides that too. He's the kind of person who doesn't just preach biology, he knows the history of it, the "why" to the "how". And even though he didn't give a hoot about nutrition, I think this article would be right up his alley.

My dad is a conspiracy theorist who believes that "buzz words" are usually a tip-off to a political agenda. He hates words like "global warming" (now changed to "climate change"), other stuff like that, i'm starting to see "cancer" as one of those buzz words. Designed to create a buzz. Fear mongering words. Watch out American public. You been into the saturated fats again haven't you.
 

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There's a biology professor at my community college who is way ahead of his time and basically said, "cancer is a lot of diseases, with different causes, that people think of as one disease". He went into more detail besides that too. He's the kind of person who doesn't just preach biology, he knows the history of it, the "why" to the "how". And even though he didn't give a hoot about nutrition, I think this article would be right up his alley.

My dad is a conspiracy theorist who believes that "buzz words" are usually a tip-off to a political agenda. He hates words like "global warming" (now changed to "climate change"), other stuff like that, i'm starting to see "cancer" as one of those buzz words. Designed to create a buzz. Fear mongering words. Watch out American public. You been into the saturated fats again haven't you.

May I ask where are you from? Judging from your name you are Eastern European :):
I agree with most of what your dad says but I don't think it is limited to just USA. Many country in the world have massive PR machines called "public press" and use buzzwords to create what we IT people know F.U.D. - fear, uncertainty, doubt. FUD is really good for rallying the public around any cause the powers that be deem worthy.
 
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