My CPTSD Has Rapidly And Consistently Dissolved After Implementing An IdeaLabs Protocol

[Mary Lyn]

Yes, I'm aware of her. The methods I used were with a trauma specialist and dissociation researcher. The thing is, for myself, I've found that a lot of the "psychological" symptoms of CPTSD can really be resolved for the most part in correcting the physiological damage from said trauma. Even my thoughts have changed in a great way, practically overnight, once I bookended things with hormone therapy. A lot of the conditioned thoughts or mental patterns are on a foundation of dysregulated hormone systems. This is not to say that there isn't a place for "psychological" work, because it's important I think to survey what happened, and come to the realization that it was abusive. But I've also found that regulating my hormones just automatically matures me in many ways, gives me confidence and complex synthesis of data I receive from other people.

Wow great. I will work on my hormones I think. My thyroid has already improved since I found this forum.

 

[Whichway?]

@Peatogenic How are you going? Still good? Still taking your A,D, Preg/DHEA, Androsterone?

 

[Peatogenic]

@Peatogenic How are you going? Still good? Still taking your A,D, Preg/DHEA, Androsterone?

Yeah, I guess it's been a little over two months. I still take all of them, but like half the amount. For the Androsterone I take about three times less.

Some say that CPTSD can seem resolved until you get into specific situations. I know that romantic attachments is one. I had a negative experience recently regarding such attachments and I reacted completely different from the past. I did not downward spiral. I don't downward spiral in general anymore.

So yes, I still see the same improvements but I think the newness of it has worn off...I'm used to it now, so it's not as exhilarating to feel and react differently to the world.

One thing I've seen that feels still reminiscent of my CPTSD self is a kind of obssessiveness. I've seen it a few times, but more diminished/less often. Also, I will still often have *some* of the previous thought conditioning enter my mind ....but I'll dwell on it for like a few hours rather than a few days or a week.

I think a little bit of my dissociation has returned, but only particular elements of it. I can't tell yet if it's just because I've been in prolonged stress for the past two months as well. Regardless, I kind of expected that dissociation is one of those things that takes a while to come out of. It's kind of like being born again, and honestly the entire population could benefit from getting more grounded and in their skin. But I still don't emotionally dysregulated or experience persistent confusion, which is wrapped up in dissociation.....and that's kind of a miracle considering all the stress I've been under.

One thing that I'm still not used to yet is having less emotionalism. I don't get over-emotional about things anymore....but the thing is, I kind of liked being over-emotional, because it was positive over emotionalism too. It's one of those things I'm still processing. My "cool and relaxed" demeanor now that is far more neutral makes me feel weird at times ...I think because I valued my "super sensitive" (positive, too) self before. The world is less "breathtakingly beautiful", but it has become more complex and fascinating. May be overthinking that one.

Another element of CPTSD is arrested development. There's simply lots of social development that I missed out on that I still have to learn now (in my early 30s). The difference now is that I don't feel ashamed about it, and I feel confident about it, I expect that I'll transition. And I am.

This entire experiment has taken place concurrently with major life stressors, so I'm curious to see what this new state feels like unencumbered by high amounts of stress. In many ways, I'm cognizant of the fact that I've moved on from the previous self. I find it harder to remember, except in notable moments where I realize I would have reacted completely different in the past. But I'm also more rationally minded now to know that there's still work to be done.

One last thing:. This process has made me feel more alone. Because this method I stumbled upon is not comprehended in trauma circles. It's something that doesn't make sense to them or fit the current doctrines (despite the fact that it makes a lot of sense when you look at the scientific literature of trauma). And I've had many question that if I found these improvements, this quickly, and in this way then that means that I probably never had CPTSD or that my trauma was significant enough. I wish there was someone who could see my life journey, the work I've done, and truly comprehend how things have changed. I feel like those who went through years of therapy and come out with similar changes are celebrated and validated more. It wasn't like I set out for this result when I started my hormone protocol. I had started the A/D for dental issues, and the Pregnenolone out of curiosity based on the improvements I saw with Androsterone.

 

[Regina]

Yeah, I guess it's been a little over two months. I still take all of them, but like half the amount. For the Androsterone I take about three times less.

Some say that CPTSD can seem resolved until you get into specific situations. I know that romantic attachments is one. I had a negative experience recently regarding such attachments and I reacted completely different from the past. I did not downward spiral. I don't downward spiral in general anymore.

So yes, I still see the same improvements but I think the newness of it has worn off...I'm used to it now, so it's not as exhilarating to feel and react differently to the world.

One thing I've seen that feels still reminiscent of my CPTSD self is a kind of obssessiveness. I've seen it a few times, but more diminished/less often. Also, I will still often have *some* of the previous thought conditioning enter my mind ....but I'll dwell on it for like a few hours rather than a few days or a week.

I think a little bit of my dissociation has returned, but only particular elements of it. I can't tell yet if it's just because I've been in prolonged stress for the past two months as well. Regardless, I kind of expected that dissociation is one of those things that takes a while to come out of. It's kind of like being born again, and honestly the entire population could benefit from getting more grounded and in their skin. But I still don't emotionally dysregulated or experience persistent confusion, which is wrapped up in dissociation.....and that's kind of a miracle considering all the stress I've been under.

One thing that I'm still not used to yet is having less emotionalism. I don't get over-emotional about things anymore....but the thing is, I kind of liked being over-emotional, because it was positive over emotionalism too. It's one of those things I'm still processing. My "cool and relaxed" demeanor now that is far more neutral makes me feel weird at times ...I think because I valued my "super sensitive" (positive, too) self before. The world is less "breathtakingly beautiful", but it has become more complex and fascinating. May be overthinking that one.

Another element of CPTSD is arrested development. There's simply lots of social development that I missed out on that I still have to learn now (in my early 30s). The difference now is that I don't feel ashamed about it, and I feel confident about it, I expect that I'll transition. And I am.

This entire experiment has taken place concurrently with major life stressors, so I'm curious to see what this new state feels like unencumbered by high amounts of stress. In many ways, I'm cognizant of the fact that I've moved on from the previous self. I find it harder to remember, except in notable moments where I realize I would have reacted completely different in the past. But I'm also more rationally minded now to know that there's still work to be done.

One last thing:. This process has made me feel more alone. Because this method I stumbled upon is not comprehended in trauma circles. It's something that doesn't make sense to them or fit the current doctrines (despite the fact that it makes a lot of sense when you look at the scientific literature of trauma). And I've had many question that if I found these improvements, this quickly, and in this way then that means that I probably never had CPTSD or that my trauma was significant enough. I wish there was someone who could see my life journey, the work I've done, and truly comprehend how things have changed. I feel like those who went through years of therapy and come out with similar changes are celebrated and validated more. It wasn't like I set out for this result when I started my hormone protocol. I had started the A/D for dental issues, and the Pregnenolone out of curiosity based on the improvements I saw with Androsterone.

Your progress sounds spectacular. Thank you for sharing your journey here.

 

[Ashoka]

Yeah, I guess it's been a little over two months. I still take all of them, but like half the amount. For the Androsterone I take about three times less.

Some say that CPTSD can seem resolved until you get into specific situations. I know that romantic attachments is one. I had a negative experience recently regarding such attachments and I reacted completely different from the past. I did not downward spiral. I don't downward spiral in general anymore.

So yes, I still see the same improvements but I think the newness of it has worn off...I'm used to it now, so it's not as exhilarating to feel and react differently to the world.

One thing I've seen that feels still reminiscent of my CPTSD self is a kind of obssessiveness. I've seen it a few times, but more diminished/less often. Also, I will still often have *some* of the previous thought conditioning enter my mind ....but I'll dwell on it for like a few hours rather than a few days or a week.

I think a little bit of my dissociation has returned, but only particular elements of it. I can't tell yet if it's just because I've been in prolonged stress for the past two months as well. Regardless, I kind of expected that dissociation is one of those things that takes a while to come out of. It's kind of like being born again, and honestly the entire population could benefit from getting more grounded and in their skin. But I still don't emotionally dysregulated or experience persistent confusion, which is wrapped up in dissociation.....and that's kind of a miracle considering all the stress I've been under.

One thing that I'm still not used to yet is having less emotionalism. I don't get over-emotional about things anymore....but the thing is, I kind of liked being over-emotional, because it was positive over emotionalism too. It's one of those things I'm still processing. My "cool and relaxed" demeanor now that is far more neutral makes me feel weird at times ...I think because I valued my "super sensitive" (positive, too) self before. The world is less "breathtakingly beautiful", but it has become more complex and fascinating. May be overthinking that one.

Another element of CPTSD is arrested development. There's simply lots of social development that I missed out on that I still have to learn now (in my early 30s). The difference now is that I don't feel ashamed about it, and I feel confident about it, I expect that I'll transition. And I am.

This entire experiment has taken place concurrently with major life stressors, so I'm curious to see what this new state feels like unencumbered by high amounts of stress. In many ways, I'm cognizant of the fact that I've moved on from the previous self. I find it harder to remember, except in notable moments where I realize I would have reacted completely different in the past. But I'm also more rationally minded now to know that there's still work to be done.

One last thing:. This process has made me feel more alone. Because this method I stumbled upon is not comprehended in trauma circles. It's something that doesn't make sense to them or fit the current doctrines (despite the fact that it makes a lot of sense when you look at the scientific literature of trauma). And I've had many question that if I found these improvements, this quickly, and in this way then that means that I probably never had CPTSD or that my trauma was significant enough. I wish there was someone who could see my life journey, the work I've done, and truly comprehend how things have changed. I feel like those who went through years of therapy and come out with similar changes are celebrated and validated more. It wasn't like I set out for this result when I started my hormone protocol. I had started the A/D for dental issues, and the Pregnenolone out of curiosity based on the improvements I saw with Androsterone.

No one can put down your results merely because you found success and took an unconventional route. But I can understand why you might feel alone in that situation.

 

[NommyWommy]

Thank you @Peatogenic for your eloquent words on this subject I can relate with what you say .

 

[NommyWommy]

Also @Peatogenic would you mind sharing the doses you take of vitamin A/D, pansterone, androsterone? Thank you

 

[Peatogenic]

Also @Peatogenic would you mind sharing the doses you take of vitamin A/D, pansterone, androsterone? Thank you

2500 A
1000 D
2 drops Pansterone
1-2 drops Androsterone every other day

(I also take about 15 drops Mitolipin a day as of two weeks ago)

...roughly

 

[SuperStressed]

Wonderful to read.
I believe this testimony will give others hope.
Thank you for sharing @Peatogenic.

Im bookmarking this.

 

[Peatogenic]

Update: I entered a stressful situation literally right as I began this hormone therapy which has followed me up till now. I wish I could see the results without the environmental stressor, but no doubt it has enabled me to even endure it.

I had maybe my second dissociative stupor episode last week in eight months of time. But I came out quickly. Prior to the hormone therapy, I experienced it every day or at least every other.

I still have not really emotionally dysregulated or felt overwhelmed since I started, which is bizarre considering how much I've been through. I mean, I maybe did a couple times, but it was short lived and I would not feel confused, I'd end up having a solidarity.

As I mentioned in my original post, I feel this has mainly targeted the physiological component of CPTSD/PTSD, which is arguable the largest part. But with developmental/identity trauma you also have a lot of arrested development, lack of experience in certain areas. I did actually notice my personality and thoughts changing immediately, but something like leaving decades of isolation takes practice.

Some weird things...a couple weeks ago I had a spell where I was feeling really bitter and annoyed by everything. Hard to tell why, but in any case, even feeling it concretely and expressing it is progress.

Testosterone is intimately connected with confidence and inhibition. Androsterone always has been that for me. I believe the Pansterone had the greatest effect on my emotional dysregulation/anxiety/sense of overwhelm.

When I'm super precise about eating enough and frequently, things are even better....a more inner stillness and calm. Same with avoiding gluten and cane sugar.

My experiments continue, with now trying out thyroid. I've backed off considerably with the androsterone and opt for more oysters and magnesium.

I used to feel guilty for using supplements, but I believe that trauma disorders radically alter the body where you require a stronger intervention.

 

[invictus]

@Peatogenic, your experience gives me hope. I've been diagnosed with C-PTSD by my primary, who, before going to medical school, was an Army medic working with veterans with PTSD . Lost my ability to work due to recurrence of rapid cycling bipolar, which is untreatable, sleep problems and a marriage to a woman with emotional/psych problems and substance abuse. Therapists & psychiatrists I've seen are of the opinion that she has Borderline Personality Disorder and my current psychiatrist believes she's self-medicating for bipolar. Before meeting her, I laughed a lot, worked hard, didn't make much money but didn't care and pursued my dream of publishing fiction and working on screenplays. After my relapse, after 12 years of working & getting married, life, rapidly, went downhill. Learned helplessness is one of the big ones, but depression, depersonalization, loss of sexual function... I don't recognize myself and I feel much older than my 69 years.

 

[NommyWommy]

2500 A
1000 D
2 drops Pansterone
1-2 drops Androsterone every other day

(I also take about 15 drops Mitolipin a day as of two weeks ago)

...roughly

Hi @Peatogenic is this still your current regime? Do you take them orally or topically? Thanks

 

[Peatogenic]

Hi @Peatogenic is this still your current regime? Do you take them orally or topically? Thanks

Topically.. Yes, but I take much less and infrequently. I also opt for oral pregnenolone now in addition to Pansterone.

 

[Peatogenic]

Just wanted to update here that a year and a half later, the effect has never diminished and there has been no regression. CPTSD feels like a vague memory, something resolutely behind me. I still use same hormones.

 

[Peatogenic]

lost the study link, but just more confirmation. Maybe this is why androsterone causes me no negative side effects and still experience consciousness shifts from it still after 2 years of taking it.

"Analyses of unadjusted levels revealed that males with PTSD had significantly decreased levels of allopregnanolone (p = 0.03) compared to control males, and females with PTSD had significantly increased levels of pregnenolone (p = 0.03) relative to control females. After controlling for age, postmortem interval, and smoking status, results showed that males with PTSD had significantly decreased levels of androsterone (t46 = 2.37, p = 0.02) compared to control males and females with PTSD had significantly increased levels of pregnanolone (t46 = −2.25, p = 0.03) relative to control females."

 

[Andman]

Yeah, I guess it's been a little over two months. I still take all of them, but like half the amount. For the Androsterone I take about three times less.

Some say that CPTSD can seem resolved until you get into specific situations. I know that romantic attachments is one. I had a negative experience recently regarding such attachments and I reacted completely different from the past. I did not downward spiral. I don't downward spiral in general anymore.

So yes, I still see the same improvements but I think the newness of it has worn off...I'm used to it now, so it's not as exhilarating to feel and react differently to the world.

One thing I've seen that feels still reminiscent of my CPTSD self is a kind of obssessiveness. I've seen it a few times, but more diminished/less often. Also, I will still often have *some* of the previous thought conditioning enter my mind ....but I'll dwell on it for like a few hours rather than a few days or a week.

I think a little bit of my dissociation has returned, but only particular elements of it. I can't tell yet if it's just because I've been in prolonged stress for the past two months as well. Regardless, I kind of expected that dissociation is one of those things that takes a while to come out of. It's kind of like being born again, and honestly the entire population could benefit from getting more grounded and in their skin. But I still don't emotionally dysregulated or experience persistent confusion, which is wrapped up in dissociation.....and that's kind of a miracle considering all the stress I've been under.

One thing that I'm still not used to yet is having less emotionalism. I don't get over-emotional about things anymore....but the thing is, I kind of liked being over-emotional, because it was positive over emotionalism too. It's one of those things I'm still processing. My "cool and relaxed" demeanor now that is far more neutral makes me feel weird at times ...I think because I valued my "super sensitive" (positive, too) self before. The world is less "breathtakingly beautiful", but it has become more complex and fascinating. May be overthinking that one.

Another element of CPTSD is arrested development. There's simply lots of social development that I missed out on that I still have to learn now (in my early 30s). The difference now is that I don't feel ashamed about it, and I feel confident about it, I expect that I'll transition. And I am.

This entire experiment has taken place concurrently with major life stressors, so I'm curious to see what this new state feels like unencumbered by high amounts of stress. In many ways, I'm cognizant of the fact that I've moved on from the previous self. I find it harder to remember, except in notable moments where I realize I would have reacted completely different in the past. But I'm also more rationally minded now to know that there's still work to be done.

One last thing:. This process has made me feel more alone. Because this method I stumbled upon is not comprehended in trauma circles. It's something that doesn't make sense to them or fit the current doctrines (despite the fact that it makes a lot of sense when you look at the scientific literature of trauma). And I've had many question that if I found these improvements, this quickly, and in this way then that means that I probably never had CPTSD or that my trauma was significant enough. I wish there was someone who could see my life journey, the work I've done, and truly comprehend how things have changed. I feel like those who went through years of therapy and come out with similar changes are celebrated and validated more. It wasn't like I set out for this result when I started my hormone protocol. I had started the A/D for dental issues, and the Pregnenolone out of curiosity based on the improvements I saw with Androsterone.

#2 on sometimes missing that over-emotional part. i feel a LOT more even-keeled from peating, but the extreme highs (and lows) are also a thing of the past and i do miss them sometimes

 

[NoLifeUnSung]

Really cool, how many mg of pregnenolone are you taking orally? Also, have you tried progesterone?

 

[Peatogenic]

Really cool, how many mg of pregnenolone are you taking orally? Also, have you tried progesterone?

About 100mg/day
I take DHEA which raises progesterone (Also vitamin E occasionally)

 

[NoLifeUnSung]

About 100mg/day
I take DHEA which raises progesterone (Also vitamin E occasionally)

I think that amount of pregnenolone would definitely increase progesterone too. Pansterone on its own didn't really stimulate my metabolism too much. But, Progesterone and Androsterone seems to have a strong metabolic effect on me. I'm only taking 2-3mg of androsterone and 3mg of progesterone.