My CPTSD Has Rapidly And Consistently Dissolved After Implementing An IdeaLabs Protocol

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So we have a society/culture designed on purpose or by accident to cause the maximum ammount of meaningless work, relationships, sense of purpose, goals in life, etc. Ray has written about this and haidut has posted good papers and thoughts about this also. The Korean philosopher Byung-Chul Han has good theories about all this.

On top of that we add that it is very beneficial for the establishment to make people believe the problem in their heads it is because their parents or childhood or traumas or abusive environment INSTEAD OF seeing that we have created an absolutely non sense society and that we are being chemically and culturally emmasculated.

Then we have a massive ammount of toxins and endocrine disruptors thrown at use which it is scientifically proven that lower metabolism, androgens, etc...

And then you think people's mental health problems are because they haven't processed "a trauma". Well, it is normal, as I said, it is so deeply buried in our culture that it's really difficult to escape.

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Peat made a statement a few years ago that is eerily similar to the "ethereal storage" and/or Akashic story above.
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"..."Nothing is stored [in the organism]; it's like the pasts are all present in the same room, and we periodically have a different perspective on them. When the present balance of stuff, toxicants, euphoriants, etc., is good, you can think and feel what you want to about things." —Ray Peat

Whatever. I'm glad you are feeling better no matter which was the path that healed you. That's what's most important after all.

I never said that people's mental health problems are because they haven't processed trauma.

I find it baffling that you put trauma in quotation marks, when Ray certainly believes in trauma. He just doesn't believe that it's stored in the body like some kind of phantom force. Neither do I. We have studies showing trauma exists and negatively impacts us.

Again, I think you may need to research trauma disorders and how they physically manifest. The truth is that despite all the negative variables you listed, only ten to twelve percent of the North American population has dissociation and dissociative disorders. I think you may be talking about consensus trance and the average stress of being alive in a stressful culture. I'm talking about (C)PTSD.

I don't see a culture that proseletyzes trauma. Trauma is rarely talked about as a causitive factor (which sets off the hormone cascade) for conditions like anxiety, depression, OCD. Most people who actually are diagnosable (whether I agree with having these labels or not) as CPTSD or PTSD or DID or any of the personality disorders don't even know it's related to trauma till years after getting different treatments. Arriving at CPTSD or PTSD is often the last place.

It seems rather contradictory, listing cultural authoritarianism as influencing the organism, but denying that environmental traumas are a real thing or is just something thats imagined to have influence. That stance is actually dissociative from the self and denies the interplay of all things. To imply that acknowledging trauma is "emasculization" is itself a cultural assumption that can lead to dissociated men who don't really wholly function. It's a kind of culturally-imposed armoring that we don't have to accept as true or good.
 
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@Peatogenic It's wonderful to hear of your great progress, and you tell the story well.



This is my experience as well, and the androsterone was a significant help. You might also want to consider 6-keto P4. It seems to be providing even further improvement for me.

Methylene blue might also be helpful. "Mitochondria play important roles in biosynthesis of sex steroid hormones" (Mitochondrial and sex steroid hormone crosstalk during aging | Longevity & Healthspan | Full Text), and MB not only improves mitochondrial function, it can actually repair damage to the mitochondria (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/acel.12434). So maybe it can help with restoring natural production of sex steroids. I use Oxidal and love the effect.

Thank you.
 
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Also, even Haidut has made posts here on the physical reality of PTSD. It's similar to CPTSD, but also very different in some respects. PTSD tends to be a one time trauma. CPTSD is usually repetitive traumas. With CPTSD you also see more fragmentation of the "self", personality disorders, and dissociative disorders.
 

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Also, even Haidut has made posts here on the physical reality of PTSD. It's similar to CPTSD, but also very different in some respects. PTSD tends to be a one time trauma. CPTSD is usually repetitive traumas. With CPTSD you also see more fragmentation of the "self", personality disorders, and dissociative disorders.
I just said most of the supposed traumas, not all of them. I didn't say ptsd doesn't exist. I just think it only happens in very extreme situations. About the rest of the traumas, there's a whole industry to make people believe they have to undergo therapy to solve the supposed trauma. That's it.

Traumatic events exist and happen everyday and to everybody, most of them are healed by themsrlves as time passes. Again : I don't mean the extreme ones.

And by the way I never said yours is not a real PTSD.
 
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I just said most of the supposed traumas, not all of them. I didn't say ptsd doesn't exist. I just think it only happens in very extreme situations. About the rest of the traumas, there's a whole industry to make people believe they have to undergo therapy to solve the supposed trauma. That's it.

Traumatic events exist and happen everyday and to everybody, most of them are healed by themsrlves as time passes. Again : I don't mean the extreme ones.

Ok, maybe that's why there's a disconnect in some areas. I wrote my original post about "extreme" traumas, or any trauma that creates the symptoms of the trauma disorders.

You mention that people can heal by themselves as time passes on (a kind of processing). I think this can even be true for people who develop trauma disorders. I actually stopped going to therapy (it was never talk therapy, it was therapy to treat dissociation/depersonalization). I did this because I was concerned about the cultic overtones of the psychotherapy world. It doesn't negate the good things they offer, it just means you have to be careful with the traps. This is true for all cultures. I feel I took what I needed from it (was necessary, too), and believe I have the resources to move forward on my own self-led path.

Most of the culture doesn't know about or even understand trauma disorders. Trauma disorders. Not stress. To imply that these people are just imagining it is actually very common for these victims to hear in their lives. I've heard it multiple times.
 

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Yeah most people have no idea how to address PTSD. I don't have any severe traumas though I did nearly drown as a child. I was mostly under chronic stress so I studied trauma stuff because I think the nervous system can see the two being similar. I had panic disorder as a result of my nervous system being stuck in hyperarousal.

Peter Levine is who coined the somatic experiencing stuff. If anyone is interested in seeing the work in practice with severe trauma here is one patient of his who was blown up over in Iraq. He was on medications for PTSD, traumatic brain injury, tourettte's and depression. Through the somatic practice Peter helped him come out of the shock trauma and you can see the difference in his body. He stops having tics, he's more engaged, he's more connected. His nervous system absolutely was storing that energy from the explosion, you can see it with your own eyes his body jerking around.


This conversation was really discouraging for me. Kudos to you Peatogenic for putting yourself out there.
 
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Yeah most people have no idea how to address PTSD. I don't have any severe traumas though I did nearly drown as a child. I was mostly under chronic stress so I studied trauma stuff because I think the nervous system can see the two being similar. I had panic disorder as a result of my nervous system being stuck in hyperarousal.

Peter Levine is who coined the somatic experiencing stuff. If anyone is interested in seeing the work in practice with severe trauma here is one patient of his who was blown up over in Iraq. He was on medications for PTSD, traumatic brain injury, tourettte's and depression. Through the somatic practice Peter helped him come out of the shock trauma and you can see the difference in his body. He stops having tics, he's more engaged, he's more connected. His nervous system absolutely was storing that energy from the explosion, you can see it with your own eyes his body jerking around.


This conversation was really discouraging for me. Kudos to you Peatogenic for putting yourself out there.



Yeah most people have no idea how to address PTSD. I don't have any severe traumas though I did nearly drown as a child. I was mostly under chronic stress so I studied trauma stuff because I think the nervous system can see the two being similar. I had panic disorder as a result of my nervous system being stuck in hyperarousal.

Peter Levine is who coined the somatic experiencing stuff. If anyone is interested in seeing the work in practice with severe trauma here is one patient of his who was blown up over in Iraq. He was on medications for PTSD, traumatic brain injury, tourettte's and depression. Through the somatic practice Peter helped him come out of the shock trauma and you can see the difference in his body. He stops having tics, he's more engaged, he's more connected. His nervous system absolutely was storing that energy from the explosion, you can see it with your own eyes his body jerking around.


This conversation was really discouraging for me. Kudos to you Peatogenic for putting yourself out there.

Yeah most people have no idea how to address PTSD. I don't have any severe traumas though I did nearly drown as a child. I was mostly under chronic stress so I studied trauma stuff because I think the nervous system can see the two being similar. I had panic disorder as a result of my nervous system being stuck in hyperarousal.

Peter Levine is who coined the somatic experiencing stuff. If anyone is interested in seeing the work in practice with severe trauma here is one patient of his who was blown up over in Iraq. He was on medications for PTSD, traumatic brain injury, tourettte's and depression. Through the somatic practice Peter helped him come out of the shock trauma and you can see the difference in his body. He stops having tics, he's more engaged, he's more connected. His nervous system absolutely was storing that energy from the explosion, you can see it with your own eyes his body jerking around.


This conversation was really discouraging for me. Kudos to you Peatogenic for putting yourself out there.


For what it's worth, chronic stress can be traumatizing. Hyperarousal is a common symptom, as I'm sure you know. I used to twitch and shake a lot when triggered. When I first read one of Levine's books, I had a major dissociative response and started speaking in gibberish. I remember that being from hyperarousal, uncontainable energy. The book wasn't even particularly on stored energy.

This stuff is called Complex for a reason. The picture looks different for everyone, despite the commonalities. Above all, we have to trust our own perceptions.
 
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Update....it's now been 18 days of the same effects. Was getting concerned about excessive hunger and dysregulated metabolism....but I had also been on a long stretch of ten hour days with a physically active job. Even the fact that I was able to do that is a major change. It wasn't even a dissociated panic that got me through. I took a day off and slept more and feel better.

During this time I ended up eating some crappy food....I noticed that it caused bowel issues, but I didn't feel depressed or lethargic in combo.

Other observations:. I don't have to shave as often. I used to need to shave every other day...now every 3 to 4 days.

My nails are more smooth (diminished lines)

This weird skin issue I've had for a few years where my skin would look splotchy, always in the same places, has almost completely gone away. Kind of like a telengiecstasia look or rosacea quality. My skin has never been this clear. I started SolBan at the same time, but I've used it in the past without these pronounced effects. But this was also before the addition of Succinic Acid. My skin feels thicker, too, and less sensitive.
 

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Thank you for sharing @Peatogenic. So glad you’re doing better.

It took almost a year simply to finally see and understand the dehumanization I experienced. I no longer had a sense of identity, could not have a personal perception without doubting it.

She was an SE therapist, but the work we were doing had nothing to do with trapped energy, it had to do with dissociation/depersonalization....existing out of body and out of your senses.

I have a similar set of problems but never had that type of experience. The depersonalization, or perhaps the weakening of perception/my senses, not quite feeling present or like I’m fully inhabiting my body.. I’m not sure if that’s depersonalization or trauma. Can it be an almost a subtle thing to interpret, in the sense that it’s hard to suss out? For me it’s like there’s a lack of immedicacy. I think that ties in with a lack of identity, because if I understood you right, that feeling of identity is actually one of presence.. of being. I remember feeling quite different years ago, having a much, much stronger sense of my self, so what you said resonated, and at least I felt I knew what you were describing. I can’t tell if it’s just poor health or trauma that’s landed me with some of what I’m dealing with.

Did you just decide to do SE on your own? I would consider doing it but I don’t know how to self-examine and determine if this is what I have going on, though I strongly suspect it.

Also, what do you do for your diet? (lol I couldn’t help but ask )
 
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Thank you for sharing @Peatogenic. So glad you’re doing better.





I have a similar set of problems but never had that type of experience. The depersonalization, or perhaps the weakening of perception/my senses, not quite feeling present or like I’m fully inhabiting my body.. I’m not sure if that’s depersonalization or trauma. Can it be an almost a subtle thing to interpret, in the sense that it’s hard to suss out? For me it’s like there’s a lack of immedicacy. I think that ties in with a lack of identity, because if I understood you right, that feeling of identity is actually one of presence.. of being. I remember feeling quite different years ago, having a much, much stronger sense of my self, so what you said resonated, and at least I felt I knew what you were describing. I can’t tell if it’s just poor health or trauma that’s landed me with some of what I’m dealing with.

Did you just decide to do SE on your own? I would consider doing it but I don’t know how to self-examine and determine if this is what I have going on, though I strongly suspect it.

Also, what do you do for your diet? (lol I couldn’t help but ask )

Yes, that's how I experience depersonalization and dissociation and yeah it's complex and subtle and everyone experiences it differently. The problem is when you chronically dissociate....you have an unconscious opioid release thing that happens, and enter another realm at just the slightest stress...and pretty much it becomes 24/7. I went to a talk therapist to talk about stuff. After two months he told me I have dissociation. My body literally would shut or slow down when discussing difficult subjects, eyes closed, unable to form words. So that's when I discovered SE. And it wasn't till I saw the contrast of not being dissociated that I realized I had been dissociated before. And it happens in layers. All of my five senses were diminished and I didn't know. I only sensed about 30% of my body and didn't know. That loss of sensation and spatial awareness interconnects with a different way of thinking, too. Some people experience dissociation as an inability to feel emotions, being "numbed". I didn't really experience it that way. I had very heightened emotions both positive and negative, but almost drunkenly....no true awareness of them or processing of them. Now my emotions are compartmentalized and I vividly could label and acknowledge all my feelings as I experience them.

My diet has changed a lot over the years. Currently low dairy, high fat, higher protein, no grains, some vegetables (asparagus, spinach), a good amount of carbs from fruits, potatoes, and roots, coffee...
 

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Over the years I have experimented with Pregnenolone during high stress situations, when I had completely come undone. It was powerful, but only went so far in changing my disposition.

Sixteen months ago, I left a psychologically abusive environment. Shortly after, I was told by a therapist I had symptoms of CPTSD. The symptoms were: depersonalization from my body, emotional dysregulation, intense shame, unstable sense of identity, a mild form of learned helplessness, intense anxiety, depression, emotional flashbacks, etc. I started working with a trauma specialist who did physical rehab to bring me back inside my body. This was the first step in many steps and perceptions, culminating with a hormone protocol via IdeaLabs.

With the depersonalization rehab, I began accessing a new reality that was profound. I started to regain my five senses that I didn't even know were diminished. I began accessing a world of neutral rather than danger. My anxiety would drop and I would gain focus in the work in front of me. In this therapy, I would drape bag weights over my body, and begin to scan my body and the environment. Even my hearing would increase. My brain would slow down. Despite the profound changes, it seemed like it was inefficient....and didn't really seep into every crevice of my dysfunction.

I've been in the Peat community for about five years, so I'm pretty well versed on stress and function. I did a lot to stabilize my diet and regulate blood sugar, which made only spotty improvements that were difficult to accurately gauge. Over the past four months I began researching the physiology of trauma and it all started coming together.

While there are issues with thought conditioning, I've realized that the hormone state dictates our reality and our thoughts to a very large degree. Without any proper studies and perception alone, I began to conclude that the CPTSD problem (repeated and long-winded trauma) is a medical problem. It requires aggressive body changes to flee the Limbic loop....that it's a reflection of damaged endocrine function. It requires a massive overhaul.

So, about six months ago I started experimenting with Androsterone. This seemed profound, because it gave me this new confidence and energy, a feeling of conquering the world, but much like the Pregnenolone and depersonalization rehab, it did not get into every crevice of my dysfunction.

A few weeks ago I decided to go all out and started supplementing Calcirol (Vitamin D), Retinil (Vitamin A), Pansterone (Preg/DHEA), and continued with Androsterone. The effects were immediate and have been consistent at every moment of the day for 2+ weeks.

I noticed this very new sensation of calm fall over me, like a kind of dreamy warmth in my heart. I stopped doing the depersonalization rehab and can feel my body every day without them. I noticed this profound sense of Being. I can only describe this as the sensation of being with myself all day long. I began feeling like I am something, a strong sense of identity. I did not catastrophize with stressful events, I felt that things were going to be ok, I held a position as observer of my thoughts rather than reacting to them. I can work ten hours a day if needed with a very grounded enthusiasm. I feel alive again.

I know I can't say that this hormone treatment has cured me, because there has been a 16 month process of changing variables, but it has certainly provided the most profound and complete and consistent healing so far. I feel excited to be alive, and I have a new wonder about the world, which has even grown specifically because of the things I've learned about the body, stress, our interdependence, our being as organisms within organisms. I also feel that the endocrine element of trauma disorders has not been fully investigated or treated on this level, so I feel surprised and blessed that all of this knowledge has ended up blessing me, even if it's taken five years for all the stars to align. I feel human again.

Thank you Ray Peat, Danny Roddy, Mae-Wan Ho, Gilbert Ling, William Blake, Walt Whitman, Bessel van Der Kolk, Josh and Jeannie Rubin, @haidut, and so many more. I think that the work of these thinkers and scientists could change the world, especially the world of trauma disorders. I've written extensively on my observations over the past year and linking of studies which I have not shared here, and I wish there was something I could do to study this further and disseminate this information. The kind of rapid change I have experienced is completely unheard of in the trauma community, even the trauma communities that focus more on physiology.
Such a fantastic reading. Have you tried DHT? I was on 11-Keto and mesterolone, specially the last one makes me feel calm, confident and relaxed.
Have you performed hormone panels? I think I’d your supplementation made such a great and sustained effect, you must be doing something good, it’s obviously going to change and you will eventually need to make some changes but it could be interesting a before after hormone test to see if there’s an hormone that drastically changed
 
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Such a fantastic reading. Have you tried DHT? I was on 11-Keto and mesterolone, specially the last one makes me feel calm, confident and relaxed.
Have you performed hormone panels? I think I’d your supplementation made such a great and sustained effect, you must be doing something good, it’s obviously going to change and you will eventually need to make some changes but it could be interesting a before after hormone test to see if there’s an hormone that drastically changed

No, I haven't tried any of those. And no, I didn't get hormone panel. Though I've used Pregnenolone and Androsterone up to now and perceived things . I actually only got on the A and D because of dental issues, and I hadn't realized the Pansterone had DHEA before. So I know the benefits I'm experiencing are really from DHEA, A, or D. Or some kind of synergy. Androsterone or Pregnenolone alone only brought partial benefits. I'm taking low dose of these except Androsterone.

I'm under loads of stress at moment and I don't really feel overwhelmed by it. I'm not shutting down. I also don't wake up in mornings with a feeling of terror anymore. I don't grow irritable or scared around people, no tendency to isolate. I would say I don't feel as euphoric like I did first three weeks, but that could be the amount of stress I'm under. Also, I'm not sure if it's related, but I've lost a little patch of hair on both wrists, but it's like the hair is half way growing back, which is odd. I also feel my digestion is suffering a bit more than normal, but this could be the stress too. Will have to recheck in a week.
 
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Many thanks for starting this thread, it has been very helpful to me.

I am investigating treatments for my not yet diagnosed CPTSD which has just come into my full conscienceness in my old age, and the worst trauma I believed happened when I was around 7 months of age, and put into hospital with 'Pinks Disease' aka mercury poisoning from teething powders.

A lot of the babies died before it was taken off the market and the rest were severely ill often for more than a year. In the hospital, it was at the time when medics were afraid of passing on infections, so babies were left in their cots, and Pink Disease infants would cry all of the time, so I was in a side ward. I know this because of a faint memory of looking towards the cot and seeing an open window next to it with white curtains billowing in the breeze of a probably freezing winters day. It is one of the few memories I have of my childhood.

Eventually I was sent home unfortunately to a mother who was a narcissist, and who rejected me and I became the family scapegoat.

I know I had endocrine problems because I remember being too cold in my bed to go to sleep at night at the age of 6 and that I have never known good health. All surviving babies were left with health problems. I know I had B12 problems later on as I 'died' in a dentists chair having nitrous oxide and had to be resuscitated.

Later I was severly poisoned with pesticide and am very sick, though did do well on a plant based diet until my thyroid objected, so I found Peat and am trying to recover the thyroid.

But most of all, I am looking for psychotherapy for the trauma and hopefully some peace and happiness for my last few years. I have looked at neurofeedback as a possibility. The problem is funding so I am trawling the internet to see what I can find and would be very grateful for any links. Thanks again.
 

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It is really curious how in western countries everybody seems to have a kind of bad childhood experiences or whatever and needs to go to therapy. In undevelopped countries people do REALLY had bad childhood experiences compared to ours and nobody seems to be traumatized or anything.

No they just die young.
 
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@Peatogenic

Many thanks for starting this thread, it has been very helpful to me.

I am investigating treatments for my not yet diagnosed CPTSD which has just come into my full conscienceness in my old age, and the worst trauma I believed happened when I was around 7 months of age, and put into hospital with 'Pinks Disease' aka mercury poisoning from teething powders.

A lot of the babies died before it was taken off the market and the rest were severely ill often for more than a year. In the hospital, it was at the time when medics were afraid of passing on infections, so babies were left in their cots, and Pink Disease infants would cry all of the time, so I was in a side ward. I know this because of a faint memory of looking towards the cot and seeing an open window next to it with white curtains billowing in the breeze of a probably freezing winters day. It is one of the few memories I have of my childhood.

Eventually I was sent home unfortunately to a mother who was a narcissist, and who rejected me and I became the family scapegoat.

I know I had endocrine problems because I remember being too cold in my bed to go to sleep at night at the age of 6 and that I have never known good health. All surviving babies were left with health problems. I know I had B12 problems later on as I 'died' in a dentists chair having nitrous oxide and had to be resuscitated.

Later I was severly poisoned with pesticide and am very sick, though did do well on a plant based diet until my thyroid objected, so I found Peat and am trying to recover the thyroid.

But most of all, I am looking for psychotherapy for the trauma and hopefully some peace and happiness for my last few years. I have looked at neurofeedback as a possibility. The problem is funding so I am trawling the internet to see what I can find and would be very grateful for any links. Thanks again.
Since you're here and interested in my post, exploring work on endocrine issues can be inexpensive. Have you had much testing? What are your main symptoms physically and psychologically?
 

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My thyroid symptoms are feeling cold, inability to lose weight, thinning eyebrows, high cholesterol, foggy brain, high antibodies, TSH around 1 generally but went up to 3.2 when I was eating soy. All the docs will do is test my TSH once a year.

I have a whole pile of other symptoms the worst is my brain function but a lot of pain also.

I have asked for autism testing a year ago and have started it due to my severe social anxiety but also suffer from extreme anxiety and have always had it so did not know. Also depression, insomnia, emotional flashback, and I am looking at other symptoms of CPTSD that I am recognising in myself. I am sure of dissociation. Many thanks for your reply. I am feeling quite alone with this.
 

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I have tried using thyroid hormones but ran into trouble because my adrenals would not take it and I am scrared to take hydrocortisol because I have a positive Lyme test. I tried pregnelolone but ran into trouble with that. Today I have a chicken neck in my broth :)

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My thyroid symptoms are feeling cold, inability to lose weight, thinning eyebrows, high cholesterol, foggy brain, high antibodies, TSH around 1 generally but went up to 3.2 when I was eating soy. All the docs will do is test my TSH once a year.

I have a whole pile of other symptoms the worst is my brain function but a lot of pain also.

I have asked for autism testing a year ago and have started it due to my severe social anxiety but also suffer from extreme anxiety and have always had it so did not know. Also depression, insomnia, emotional flashback, and I am looking at other symptoms of CPTSD that I am recognising in myself. I am sure of dissociation. Many thanks for your reply. I am feeling quite alone with this.

Pregnenolone is a safe hormone to play with that covers a lot of "mood issues", though it can increase anxiety in some. I'm also not sure how it works with women. It took me many years to arrive here, with nutrition work, and dissociation therapy, and finally just the right supplementation. It's often a complex, multi-faceted effort that takes a lot of experimentation and observation work.

There's also liver and gut which seems to be central to these things. The liver needs to be storing glycogen and detoxifying stress hormones, of which there's a plethora of information on this forum. Inflammatory foods need to be explored in digestion.

As far as nutrition, I stand very firmly behind the philosophy set forth by Josh and Jeanne Rubin (who used to do Peat interviews). And, of course, there's Ray himself who can offer little tidbits that may be helpful.
 

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Thanks @Peatogenic. Yes I agree it is complex and multi-faceted and I have only made significant progress in the last year on the WFPB no oil sugar or salt diet, which is now under review as I am adding in gelatine, broth,BCAA's, mushroom mix, and lots of ideas I am reading here. Might try the preg again. I wrecked my liver doing low carb high fat.

There is a woman called Melanie Tonia Evens does a trauma body work course for those who have been abused by narcissists and quite a few are getting help. I don't know if you have NA, but more than likely if you were in a cult.
 
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Thanks @Peatogenic. Yes I agree it is complex and multi-faceted and I have only made significant progress in the last year on the WFPB no oil sugar or salt diet, which is now under review as I am adding in gelatine, broth,BCAA's, mushroom mix, and lots of ideas I am reading here. Might try the preg again. I wrecked my liver doing low carb high fat.

There is a woman called Melanie Tonia Evens does a trauma body work course for those who have been abused by narcissists and quite a few are getting help. I don't know if you have NA, but more than likely if you were in a cult.

Yes, I'm aware of her. The methods I used were with a trauma specialist and dissociation researcher. The thing is, for myself, I've found that a lot of the "psychological" symptoms of CPTSD can really be resolved for the most part in correcting the physiological damage from said trauma. Even my thoughts have changed in a great way, practically overnight, once I bookended things with hormone therapy. A lot of the conditioned thoughts or mental patterns are on a foundation of dysregulated hormone systems. This is not to say that there isn't a place for "psychological" work, because it's important I think to survey what happened, and come to the realization that it was abusive. But I've also found that regulating my hormones just automatically matures me in many ways, gives me confidence and complex synthesis of data I receive from other people.
 

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