Masturbation Is Killing Me: Balding And Low Energy Throughout The Day

[Inaut]

@CDT this may sound like a stupid question but do you smoke marijuana?

 

[orewashin]

All that will do is train you to ejaculate quickly even when you're with a partner. This is according to Chinese medicine Taoism. Just like martial arts training your reflexes, doing what you're saying we'll just train you to ejaculate quickly in all situations.

Not true. I can ejaculate in under a minute while masturbating if my tension is high, but I’ve never managed to ejaculate inside a partner.

 

[tallglass13]

Oh snap bro. For real? Which "Chinese Medicine Taoism" book says that? Was it the Nan Jing? The Materia Medica (you using Bensky's translation?) Yellow Emperor? Golden Cabinet?

Oh wait, you inferring the above from the Daodejing? Damn bro, the heavens really DO be impartial to us straw dogs! Yeah, that's right, I remember now. Lao Tzu, said, "They don't think the Dao be like it is, but it do. Don't jerk off, yahurr?"

Oh wait you must be talking about more esoteric texts, right? Like the Baopuzi? Getting your "inner alchemy" Neidan on, huh? Transforming dat greasy Jing into spicy magical elixirs in your LDT in your spare time?

Damn, hol up, I know, I got it, you been reading Master Homie Mantak Chia? Getting your Microcosmic Orbit on? Getting that juicy Inner Smile work in? Doing some sweet healing sounds on dem organs? Or maybe is it Master Homie Chunyi Li? Getting that Forest Qi Gong glow, huh? Who needs a tan with all that Qi?!

Please illuminate us on what Chinese Medicine has to say about completely refraining from ejaculation / masturbation? I'm DYING to know, homie. Please link us whatever absolute garbage you've read on the internet so we can glean ancient, esoteric wisdom from it's tome.

Don't be a charlatan. Don't advise sick people (especially mentally sick people) when you don't know what you're talking about. Doz are da rulez of dis here town, cowboy. OP had plenty of solid, sensible advice from multiple people who knew what they were talking about, and then you come riding into town, atop your charlatan pony, a piece of dumb straw coming out your mouth, like, "Now, just stop there cold turkey, little bandito."

OP (very) likely needs to eat red meat and resume sexual / physiological normalcy, or go be a monk. Complete abstention is rarely healthy, mentally or physically, for young householders, especially in this day and age.

Let me absolutely clear: Advising OP to completely stop masturbating cold turkey, when he is clearly not "over" masturbating, and when he hasn't reported having a normal sex life, but yet HAS reported being unable to stop due to natural urges, is really just awful, dangerous advise. Citing "Chinese Medicine Taoism" as though you have even the faintest idea what you're talking about is even worse. If you think Chinese Medicine is about fighting natural hormonal urges tooth and nail, you have like zero understanding of Chinese Medicine. Please: be ashamed of yourself.

Guilt, shame, and, most importantly, energy imbalances stemming from people resisting strong natural urges over a period of time are very hard to undo, even in "Chinese Medicine Taoism" clinics. (I'm making fun of you, btw.) If OP wants to go be a vegetarian monk, he should go be a vegetarian monk and seek guidance for sexual control there. If he wants to ejaculate a normal amount and lead a healthy householder life, then realistically he needs to replenish his nutrients with red meat to keep physically and mentally healthy, or at the very least start consuming a lot of Jing tonics (in a balanced way), which is WAY beyond the scope of a thread this stupid.

Wow you're quite the weirdo, haha
No one said cold turkey, the joke was cold jerky.
I'll let you go ahead and keep following the good old American Way, you best stay away from the ancient Taoism.

 

[gately]

Wow you're quite the weirdo, haha
No one said cold turkey, the joke was cold jerky.
I'll let you go ahead and keep following the good old American Way, you best stay away from the ancient Taoism.

Thank you, Kwai Chang Caine, for your wisdom. I'll be sure to stay away from, "Ancient Taoism."

 

[Uselis]

How the heck you all figured out he's vegeterian without him mentioning that lol? Is this side effect of being PUFA depleted?

On a serious note I think if you really want to avoid meat eat oysters for zinc and A LOT good quality milk (which likely might be much harder food for you to digest then meat given current metabolic state). Potatoes should fill B3 which is about one vitamin from B's that lots of milk does not provide.

Install Tinder or some similar app or even better go oldschool and approach girls once you start feeling better. Definitely don't go full blast celibacy if you have high sexual drive. Rather use moderation sense and fill rest of the time with something physically demanding (or in fact mentally).

Goodluck

 

[rebuke]

Start with tossing the ashwaganda in the bin.

 

[not_James_Bond]

How old are you?

Obviously, try and not ejaculate more than than once a day. And in some parts of the year, when diet is naturally lighter and less fatty, such as summer, one should ejaculate less. Once or twice a week is fine, again, if you’re young and healthy.

@gately Can I ask you what fats you consider are healthy, and vital please

 

[CDT]

@CDT this may sound like a stupid question but do you smoke marijuana?

NOpe

 

[CDT]

Also, @CDT you say you've experienced "tremendous health benefits" from going vegetarian. That is an exceptionally rare claim. What health benefits have you had? I'm genuinely curious.

The only reasonably "healthy" people I've EVER heard feel better eschewing meat completely from their diet had some kind of digestive issue or a copper toxicity issue. Digestion: because they couldn't digest the meat, and thus felt worse, and Copper: because eating meat pushed copper out of storage and caused detox symptoms, so they thought red meat = bad, and continued eating a low-animal protein / copper toxic diet until much more severe problems occurred later, usually beginning as mental health issues.


Oh gotcha. Shame. Such an easy fix.

Vegetarianism fixed my eczema. Back in 2018, I was using castor oil and massages and doing nofap, and my heair grew really thick. I was vegetarian the whole time. Actually , youre probably right about mucuna and ashwaghanda. Ever since Ive taken those, PLUS maca root, my libido has been so high I get erections in public with only thinking of, well, anything ever so slightly stimulating. It might just be the mucuna and aashwa Ive been taking for the past year.

I dont think vegetariansism is terrible for health, especially if you have a good gut. Meat is acidic, its hard on the body, and there is an opportunity cost. A lot of people who advocate for meat have done little to no research in diets, and that says something in itself. There is a huge majority of educated people who advocate for plant based diets, whether they exclude animal foods or not. Meat might seem like an easy fix, but its not good long term. Mushrooms are a MUCH better alternative if you are looking for hard to get nutrients, ,and so are fermented products. There IS such a thing as too much iron, too much B12, and too much protein.

Its just a shame that I worked so hard for my health back a few years and just threw it away recently. Its a combination of school stress, probably stimulating supplements, and giving up honestly. I dont really know how to get back on the wagon at this point. It all feels kind of worthless.

By the way, semen retention is highly beneficial, plant based or not. The fact that you dont care for it kind of shows your ignorance, no offense. If you even attempt it, I guarantee you will fail the first few times, because it is THAT hard. Try taking mucuna, maca, and ashwa, which is my stack, and see how long you last. it's incredibly difficult to maintain, but if you do, there a whole host of benefits. I think a little discipline goes a long way. But yeah, I do think the supps are making it harder to maintain for sure.

 

[CDT]

By the way, what are JING tonics?

 

[Goz]

Masturbate once every 7-8 days and take your time doing it and not to porn, when you have the urge go lift weights instead and you'll feel and look better day by day. Eat red meat and oysters daily.

 

[gately]

@gately Can I ask you what fats you consider are healthy, and vital please

I consider cold pressed olive oil and properly made ghee to be the healthiest fats, followed by butter and raw coconut cream, followed by lard. Tallow and suet can be healthy, but it depends on the person (I digest lard much better.) Milk fat in general is of course is very healthy, but straight cream can be very hard to digest. I think a small amount of fat from raw nuts, such as almonds, is also healthy. I think what fats one should consume depends largely on constitution and digestive capability, and quantity should ideally vary on season.

For many people, a low fat diet is probably the worst thing they can do for their health. It only works for Ayurvedic Kapha types, and even then they will eventually shrivel up: look at any 80/10/10 dieter or McDougall Vegan.

Also, massaging one of the better oils onto the skin every day is also one the healthiest things anyone can do (Olive Oil works well) I don’t think most Ray Peat followers have figured out the tremendous health benefits to that trick yet. Abhyanga seems to be flying under the radar in bio-hacking circles. I doubt that lasts for long.

And wait till Ray Peat people realize the Tibetans have been using herbally medicated oils to stop hair loss for centuries. Wew.

 

[gately]

Vegetarianism fixed my eczema. Back in 2018, I was using castor oil and massages and doing nofap, and my heair grew really thick. I was vegetarian the whole time. Actually , youre probably right about mucuna and ashwaghanda. Ever since Ive taken those, PLUS maca root, my libido has been so high I get erections in public with only thinking of, well, anything ever so slightly stimulating. It might just be the mucuna and aashwa Ive been taking for the past year.

I dont think vegetariansism is terrible for health, especially if you have a good gut. Meat is acidic, its hard on the body, and there is an opportunity cost. A lot of people who advocate for meat have done little to no research in diets, and that says something in itself. There is a huge majority of educated people who advocate for plant based diets, whether they exclude animal foods or not. Meat might seem like an easy fix, but its not good long term. Mushrooms are a MUCH better alternative if you are looking for hard to get nutrients, ,and so are fermented products. There IS such a thing as too much iron, too much B12, and too much protein.

Its just a shame that I worked so hard for my health back a few years and just threw it away recently. Its a combination of school stress, probably stimulating supplements, and giving up honestly. I dont really know how to get back on the wagon at this point. It all feels kind of worthless.

By the way, semen retention is highly beneficial, plant based or not. The fact that you dont care for it kind of shows your ignorance, no offense. If you even attempt it, I guarantee you will fail the first few times, because it is THAT hard. Try taking mucuna, maca, and ashwa, which is my stack, and see how long you last. it's incredibly difficult to maintain, but if you do, there a whole host of benefits. I think a little discipline goes a long way. But yeah, I do think the supps are making it harder to maintain for sure.

Dude I was attempting semen retention for longer than you’ve probably known about semen retention. So lecturing me about it after I’ve written everything else in this thread is just stunning. I was literally in a meditational cult that emphasized Brahmacharya and vegetarian diets in my early twenties. I eventually saw those things as incompatible with modern householder life, and decided to leave it behind after seeing it imbalance myself and so many other people. I don’t know what else to tell you. You can pretend you know more than everyone else, but eventually the people who actually do know more than you will show up and see right through you.

I hope my advice to drop the herbal supplements at least helps you. The fact that you never considered Mucuna, Ashwaghanda, and freaking Maca as potentially too sexually stimulating while trying to abstain from ejaculating just shows how unbelievably ignorant you are, and that you have zero business self-prescribing potently medicinal herbs.

Every detail you’ve given this thread indicates you’re on a fast train to utter desolation. Smarten up.

Vaya Con Dios.

 

[stackz07]

Ashwagandha can make you hyperthyroid and cause hair loss. It's what started my hair loss and I don't even have the balding gene.

 

[Sulcuscentralis]

Thanks for all the input. I dont think Ill veer form the vegetarian diet as I had tremendous health benefits, and honestly cant stand the taste of red meat. I can have eggs and dairy though. Im sprouting, fermenting, etc., so I do get my B vitamins from there as well, and Im taking supplements (zinc, general multi, mucuna, ashwaghanda). I do consume honey as well.

On the topic of red meat, I know it may provide an initial surplu sof nutrients, but over time the iron ingestion has a negative effect on the body. Look up Danny Roddy's podcasts with Georgi Dinkov.

Donate blood regularly - problem solved.

 

[snacks]

Start with tossing the ashwaganda in the bin.

+1

I had severe anhedonia for like a month after first trying ashwagandha and like a complete retard I attributed this to the fact that I was succesfully controlling my addictions (it wasn't self-control, just that nothing was pleasant) and so my dopamine system was resetting or something. It took me running out and magically feeling much happier to figure out the issue. The near-fetish some people have for adaptogens has probably screwed up some people for good, especially ashwagandha whose side effects are almost conspiratorially hushed up

 

[snacks]

Dude I was attempting semen retention for longer than you’ve probably known about semen retention. So lecturing me about it after I’ve written everything else in this thread is just stunning. I was literally in a meditational cult that emphasized Brahmacharya and vegetarian diets in my early twenties. I eventually saw those things as incompatible with modern householder life, and decided to leave it behind after seeing it imbalance myself and so many other people. I don’t know what else to tell you. You can pretend you know more than everyone else, but eventually the people who actually do know more than you will show up and see right through you.

I hope my advice to drop the herbal supplements at least helps you. The fact that you never considered Mucuna, Ashwaghanda, and freaking Maca as potentially too sexually stimulating while trying to abstain from ejaculating just shows how unbelievably ignorant you are, and that you have zero business self-prescribing potently medicinal herbs.

Every detail you’ve given this thread indicates you’re on a fast train to utter desolation. Smarten up.

Vaya Con Dios.

I've always been a little confused about where the semen retention thing enters into Taoist thought. I'm going through a lot of inner alchemy texts and general taoist literature right now and haven't seen a word about semen or retaining it. I think it's part of the kinda fuzzy view most have of the East that blends all the religions together and makes it possible to conflate something like Hindu brahmacharya like you said with Taoism but you also see people like mantak chia talking about retention now. It's really odd

Personally I'd like to at least make 30 or 90 days without it just because i've never done so and want to know what it's like

 

[CDT]

+1

I had severe anhedonia for like a month after first trying ashwagandha and like a complete retard I attributed this to the fact that I was succesfully controlling my addictions (it wasn't self-control, just that nothing was pleasant) and so my dopamine system was resetting or something. It took me running out and magically feeling much happier to figure out the issue. The near-fetish some people have for adaptogens has probably screwed up some people for good, especially ashwagandha whose side effects are almost conspiratorially hushed up

Please tell me about the side effects of ashwaghanda

 

[CDT]

Dude I was attempting semen retention for longer than you’ve probably known about semen retention. So lecturing me about it after I’ve written everything else in this thread is just stunning. I was literally in a meditational cult that emphasized Brahmacharya and vegetarian diets in my early twenties. I eventually saw those things as incompatible with modern householder life, and decided to leave it behind after seeing it imbalance myself and so many other people. I don’t know what else to tell you. You can pretend you know more than everyone else, but eventually the people who actually do know more than you will show up and see right through you.

I hope my advice to drop the herbal supplements at least helps you. The fact that you never considered Mucuna, Ashwaghanda, and freaking Maca as potentially too sexually stimulating while trying to abstain from ejaculating just shows how unbelievably ignorant you are, and that you have zero business self-prescribing potently medicinal herbs.

Every detail you’ve given this thread indicates you’re on a fast train to utter desolation. Smarten up.

Vaya Con Dios.

Obviously I considered these adaptogens to be highly sexually stimulating. Ive read several studies on each that PROVE their efficacy in providing increased sexual capapbilities.
I think instead of continuing with this diatribe, you could ad least provide an account of some problem you solved and fixed (at this point, doesn't even have to be related to sexual issues).
For me, I fixed my hair problems through massage and peppermint rosemary oil back in 2018. That's one big achievement that I think deserves credit. Obviously I lost my progress when I didn't maintain the process.

 

[mangoes]

@gately you should relax a bit lol like the other dude made a joke and you went off on some arrogant rant for no real reason

You can pretend you know more than everyone else, but eventually the people who actually do know more than you will show up and see right through you.

you also come across as a know it all, which by the way, you don’t. No one does. The man is only ever gonna learn through his own experience and mistakes anyway, as we all do. So, sure, offer your advice and hope he heeds it but stop getting so personally offended.