Health Problems

[wayney]

You mention that you are sensitive to the sun, but you didn't mention how your Vitamin D levels are (or whether you supplement with Vitamin D). Vitamin D is a supplement that is good for rosacea which is what could be causing/contributing to your red nose. Peat says Vitamin D is good for skin conditions and he recommends a level of 50-60 ng/l.

Okay, yeah I supplement with Vitamin D. Last time I checked I had 56 ng/ml.

 

[wayney]

No I would not take thyroid at all.
Cortinon is good, but if you add Stressnon to it, you'll get too much DHEA and too little pregnenolone.
For DHEA, I'd just use a clean brand from Amazon or iHerb.

Okay then I will stop with TyroMix, I also think that if it would be something for me I should have notice some improvements in 7 weeks.

I do not have StressNon, and as I understood you it was better/cheaper to use powder instead. But how do you mean that with StressNon I would get too much DHEA and too little pregnenolone? Ain't StressNon pure pregnenolone?

Can't buy DHEA from iHerb or Amazon, in Sweden DHEA is classified as a drug so they do not ship to Sweden. But IdeaLabs does.

What test would you recommend me to do? Is the one below ok or something I miss or something of the ones that I do not need? (I need to pay for every test so just want to do whats necessary).

T3
T4
TSH
Cortisol
DHEAS
Testosterone
LH
SHBG
PSA
Estradiol
Progesterone

Is prolactin necessary when I have test it two time before and last time it was 233 mIE/L (ref 64-403)?

Thanks!

 

[Hans]

I do not have StressNon, and as I understood you it was better/cheaper to use powder instead. But how do you mean that with StressNon I would get too much DHEA and too little pregnenolone? Ain't StressNon pure pregnenolone?

Sorry I confused StressNon with Pansterone. If you want to use StressNon instead of powder then by all means do it.

I'd probably just look at cortisol, adrenaline, DHEA-S and rT3 as a bare minimum.

 

[wayney]

Okay, then I understand. I go with powder as you recommend.

Okay, I can't test for adrenaline and rT3, ain't a selectable option at the place where I can test.

I've also done a DUTCH-test 3 years ago, see attached files. As you can see I have elevated cortisol (have done blood test also that showed that I had
slightly elevated values). DHEAS is also in low end of range.

I feel exactly the same as I did 3 years ago, so maybe I can still use this test as a guideline in combination of the other blood test that I did one year ago? Or should I test ones again?

Thanks!

 

[wayney]

Been taking DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone for 1,5 week.
Started low and I'm now up at:

3 mg Androsterone
3,25 mg DHEA
31,25 mg Pregnenolone
6 mg progesterone

My body felt a little stressed in the beginning, but that's gone. Besides from that no effect.
How long does it take before I should expect any effects?

Feel like ***t right now, really hate the thing with the red nose, ruins my whole life... One thing that I can add is that often that I get the reaction with my nose my eyes feels weird/tired.

Thanks!

 

[Svdmeere]

Hey wayney, except for the nose issue, your story is quite similar to mine (and many others on this and other fora). After a lot of experimenting with diets and supplements, and reading tons of forum threads and books, I came to the only logical conclusion: mast cell activation syndrome (mcas). It is basically the scientific name for histamine intolerance. I found good relief from a diet and lifestyle low in mast cell triggers (and there are many), and upon starting ketotifen (an anti-histamine and mast cell stabilizer). There are some decent books on the subject for you to read up on, but the root cause is unknown so far. However, two years ago I stumbled upon the Grant Genereux thread on this forum which discusses the possibility of chronic vitamin A overload as a root cause for most health issues people suffer from. I did not find it very logical when I saw the hypothesis but as I kept reading the (gigantic) thread, I noticed that almost all people embarking on the diet were finding consistent relief from their health problems. So much in fact that from all the forum threads that I have ever read, this one has the most cure stories by far! I am now seven months on a low vitamin A diet (plus low in mast cell triggers) and seeing a slow but very noticable relief from almost all of my health issues: my energy levels are way up, sleep is solid, and digestion has never been better! I would really encourage you to read up on mcas and especially the low vitamin A thread; took me a couple of months to go through it, but totally worth it!

 

[wayney]

Hey wayney, except for the nose issue, your story is quite similar to mine (and many others on this and other fora). After a lot of experimenting with diets and supplements, and reading tons of forum threads and books, I came to the only logical conclusion: mast cell activation syndrome (mcas). It is basically the scientific name for histamine intolerance. I found good relief from a diet and lifestyle low in mast cell triggers (and there are many), and upon starting ketotifen (an anti-histamine and mast cell stabilizer). There are some decent books on the subject for you to read up on, but the root cause is unknown so far. However, two years ago I stumbled upon the Grant Genereux thread on this forum which discusses the possibility of chronic vitamin A overload as a root cause for most health issues people suffer from. I did not find it very logical when I saw the hypothesis but as I kept reading the (gigantic) thread, I noticed that almost all people embarking on the diet were finding consistent relief from their health problems. So much in fact that from all the forum threads that I have ever read, this one has the most cure stories by far! I am now seven months on a low vitamin A diet (plus low in mast cell triggers) and seeing a slow but very noticable relief from almost all of my health issues: my energy levels are way up, sleep is solid, and digestion has never been better! I would really encourage you to read up on mcas and especially the low vitamin A thread; took me a couple of months to go through it, but totally worth it!

Thanks! Will look in to that thread.

 

[wayney]

@Hans how long does it usually take before you should feel any positive effects from DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone?

 

[Hans]

@Hans how long does it usually take before you should feel any positive effects from DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone?

Could be right away. If someone has low levels, are have an imbalance between progesterone and cortisol, for example, they'll feel it within 5 minutes.

 

[wayney]

Could be right away. If someone has low levels, are have an imbalance between progesterone and cortisol, for example, they'll feel it within 5 minutes.

Okay, I've sone been taking it for 2 weeks and feel nothing really. The body felt a little bit stressed in the beginning but don't feel that anymore.

Started low and I'm now up at:

3 mg Androsterone
3,25 mg DHEA
31,25 mg Pregnenolone
6 mg progesterone

Is this a sign that DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone is not for me or should I have patience and increase the dose?

 

[Hans]

Okay, I've sone been taking it for 2 weeks and feel nothing really. The body felt a little bit stressed in the beginning but don't feel that anymore.

Started low and I'm now up at:

3 mg Androsterone
3,25 mg DHEA
31,25 mg Pregnenolone
6 mg progesterone

Is this a sign that DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone is not for me or should I have patience and increase the dose?

Well just because you don't feel it doesn't mean that you're body doesn't like it or benefit from it. Perhaps you weren't really low in those, but I'm sure those small amounts are still beneficial.

 

[methylenewhite]

and upon starting ketotifen

What dose?

 

[Svdmeere]

What dose?

4mg per day (2x 2mg)

 

[wayney]

Well just because you don't feel it doesn't mean that you're body doesn't like it or benefit from it. Perhaps you weren't really low in those, but I'm sure those small amounts are still beneficial.

Okay, thanks!

E-mailed with Ray Peat and got this answer:

"I’ve known people with that sort of symptom, and supplementing thyroid and vitamin D, and getting enough calcium in the diet, usually stopped the symptoms."

He seems to think that I should take thyroid. As I said earlier, I am diagnosed with SIBO which is connected to rosacea, and SIBO often seem to be connected to hypothyroidism.

@Hans on MenElite you have written this:

Don’t watch porn or masturbate
This lowers dopamine, and messes up your psychology big time. Most people think it doesn’t affect them because they still feel normal like everyone else, but everyone else’s psychology who watches porn is also messed up. It’s just the new norm, so you feel you fit it. Don’t fit it, rise above it.

Is there any studies on this?

Have read at Anabolicmen that it doesn't effect T - Ejaculation and Testosterone Levels: Masturbation Lowers T?

 

[wayney]

@Hans How important would you say test rT3 is? I have never tested that, it's not available in Sweden, need to buy a expensive test from Denmark if I want to test it.

 

[mrchibbs]

Okay, thanks!
Don’t watch porn or masturbate
This lowers dopamine, and messes up your psychology big time. Most people think it doesn’t affect them because they still feel normal like everyone else, but everyone else’s psychology who watches porn is also messed up. It’s just the new norm, so you feel you fit it. Don’t fit it, rise above it.

Is there any studies on this?

Have read at Anabolicmen that it doesn't effect T - Ejaculation and Testosterone Levels: Masturbation Lowers T?

Yes there are many studies on this. But more than that, use your intuition.
Stop watching porn and see how it affects your perception of real women.
Focus less on the stimulation from the video, but more about how you feel.
There is a natural buildup and release pattern with sexual energy, and it
can feed your drive in a very pleasant way.

Plus spermatogenesis is an energy-intensive process which normally you wouldn't be doing when you're stressed, but the porn is such a strong stimuli that it can get guys to masturbate even when they didn't really feel like it a moment before. And it depletes a few mg of zinc and other minerals every time, and a lot of guys are extremely deficient in zinc to begin with, and it's intimately involved in countless metabolic processes, so you can see how years of this would create a bad deficiency.

High estrogen and stress hormones can also cause frantic sexual drive and when you take progesterone or lower your stress hormones you think you've just lost your libido when in fact it's gone back down to where it should be. A stressed individual should not have strong libido. In time, with thyroid function coming back fully and driving the gonadal hormones, you'll have an ability to ramp up your libido when needed (i.e. if you meet an attractive partner), but it won't be so obsessive that you can't function in normal life (i.e. estrogenic state, which a lot of guys experience on finasteride, obsessive sexual drive along with ED and unsatisfying orgasms)

 

[Hans]

@Hans How important would you say test rT3 is? I have never tested that, it's not available in Sweden, need to buy a expensive test from Denmark if I want to test it.

Well if your other thyroid hormones are fine and you're still experiencing hypothyroid symptoms, then rT3 is most likely elevated as well as adrenal hormones.

 

[wayney]

Well if your other thyroid hormones are fine and you're still experiencing hypothyroid symptoms, then rT3 is most likely elevated as well as adrenal hormones.

Thanks for the answers!

Okay, by adrenal hormones you mean specially cortisol or some other hormones as well that gets elevated?

Say for example that you have high rT3 and high cortisol, how do you treat it? Thyroid supplement or DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone as I take right now?

 

[Hans]

Thanks for the answers!

Okay, by adrenal hormones you mean specially cortisol or some other hormones as well that gets elevated?

Say for example that you have high rT3 and high cortisol, how do you treat it? Thyroid supplement or DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone as I take right now?

Also adrenaline and noradrenaline.

Yes you have to calm the adrenals. Find whatever is stimulating it and stop that. For example serotonin and inflammatory and two major stimulators of the adrenals.

 

[wayney]

Also adrenaline and noradrenaline.

Yes you have to calm the adrenals. Find whatever is stimulating it and stop that. For example serotonin and inflammatory and two major stimulators of the adrenals.

Okay thanks!

I am diagnosed with SIBO. There seem to be a connection between SIBO and hypothyroidism. I haven't been able to treat my SIBO with either antibiotics (Rifaximin) or herbal antibiotics as berberine, oregano oil, caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract (been trying other also). Also tried different diets and stress management etc, but nothing helps. So maybe supplement with either thyroid or DHEA, androsterone, pregnenolone and progesterone. And when the adrenals are calm try to clear out the SIBO with herbal antibiotic and maybe also CamphoSal (which I haven't tried)?