calamityjane
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Someone said he was?? Oy vey.
Just cos Peck says don't make it so
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Someone said he was?? Oy vey.
You keep saying AA is a religion like that's a fact. There is no worship, no hierarchy, no diety, no creed. To belong no person needs to accept any beliefs or profess adherence to any part of it. It's a group of people who get together to fill out worksheets and socialize as a group without partaking in alcohol. I even go to bars with my sober friends. If that's religion it's an extremely unremarkable one.
But it seems from the tenor of your posts you have some familiarity and resentment toward it, of which you'd not be the first.
Also, that my post was on the deleterious effects of alcohol as a substance seems to be lost on your obsession with AA. Would you care to provide some contribution to the practical and physical association of alcohol with illness and disease? I myself struggled to gain any foothold on my declining health for years. I even adopted the same Ray peat philosophies before I stopped drinking. It wasn't until after I stopped drinking that I was able to experience any permanent improvement in my physical health, and that had nothing to do with AA. AA is merely the social structure which enabled me to find support in quitting the substance. That quitting improved my health is a matter of chemistry.
I have certainly known a few people who have gone to AA & god played a pretty big part. Most of them managed to give up drinking. They also gave up sociability, old friends and unfortunately, their sense of humour. Still it probably saved their lives so good luck to them
Not sure if most people missed Pboys post but it was pretty interesting and spot on.
I can enjoy drinks and health at the same time. Is Natedawg the anomaly or am I?
Clearly, or you wouldn't have used it in a sentence. But that wasn't what I asked. You must be drunk. It's an easy mistake. I asked how it was a demonstration of all these great qualities you supposedly haven't lost due to your drinking problem.
Clearly, or you wouldn't have used it in a sentence. But that wasn't what I asked. You must be drunk. It's an easy mistake. I asked how it was a demonstration of all these great qualities you supposedly haven't lost due to your drinking problem.
Gee I'm glad you don't call me names. That would be offensive.
This is great fun, and I'm sorry I had some at your expense, but I hope you haven't lost sight of the fact that I sought to impart my hard won experience to those who may benefit from it and heal themselves from life threatening illnesses (I specifically had thyroid cancer and continue to deal with hypothyroidism). There is no reality in which a person with thyroid disease can drink alcohol and also heal from thyroid disease (and a host of other conditions). If you don't understand that you don't need to debate the morals of alcoholism. It's merely a discussion of biochemistry. If you have any of these conditions you're having trouble with, for me alcohol was the last barrier to experiencing healing, and I tried for years to heal without going sober. It didn't work. It wasn't until I quit that I was actually able to get my health back. I see many people struggling with the same thing, pretending like their drinking isn't a factor in their ill-health, living day after day in a lot of pain and discomfort, and I don't mind being the bad guy who has to come out and say that alcohol and good health are not friendly bedfellows. I have already helped a few people get better and it's worth every struggle. Specifically I healed my thyroid cancer, insomnia, fatty liver, erectile dysfunction, regrew my hair, lost 50 lbs, and my hypothyroidism is so manageable it's almost gone. If you have any of these specifically I have a host of other posts on here and a blog in which I detail my experience at F*CK Portion Control
Clearly, or you wouldn't have used it in a sentence. But that wasn't what I asked. You must be drunk. It's an easy mistake. I asked how it was a demonstration of all these great qualities you supposedly haven't lost due to your drinking problem.
Gee I'm glad you don't call me names. That would be offensive.
OK Truce. I'm happy that you're finding your way whatever road you choose. I am baffled though that you think I have a drinking problem. I do have a problem with religion though BIG TIME so don't even get me started on that
I don't I was just giving you a hard time. I also have a horrible relation to religion. I was raised Mormon—actually a cult—and very conservative and full of abusers and it really screwed me up. AA is the antithesis of what I experienced in religion. It's full of all kinds of people and there's no requirement for joining, except wanting relief from alcohol addiction. As an agnostic I find it very welcoming, and it gave me the social structure and skill set to cut my need for alcohol. There are lots of crazy people in AA but that's because they're alcoholics and not that they're in AA. :) in essence it's a mental health support group.
Wait for it. Wait for it.
If you find it difficult or impossible to give up, as I did, you can get help at alcoholics anonymous.
And if that religion doesn't do it for you can always try some of the other good clean living non drinking non drug taking organizations
ISIS
Al-Qeada
Taliban
Most right wing Christian religions
I had a rash/eczema on my leg that would occur every winter and would never go away. After one particularly heavy drinking session I noticed it cleared up from quite angry and inflamed to virtually gone and healed in a day.
These days I find its taken care off by carrot and vitamin b6 and helped with sun in summer time.
1.) if you are healthy why are you on this forum?
2.) since you can't read, I'll state again that my post said people who are sick cannot experience an increase in health via Ray peat diet if they are drinking alcohol and continue to do so. So you're healthy and those conditions don't apply to you, go drink!
I agree with this.Alcohol by nature is a force of entropy
I don't agree with this - that creation of complex organisms happens at all attests to creation being stronger than entropy in some circumstances.entropy is always stronger than forces of creation and healing
I don't think so - wine and beer probably contain significant estrogen; purer spirits like vodka probably not.yet freely ingest something that is essentially pure estrogen (alcohol).
Quite possibly.The sooner you give it up the faster you'll get better.
This sounds like good advice to me.If you find it difficult or impossible to give up, as I did, you can get help at alcoholics anonymous.
+1Your notion is opinion, please don't construe your personal experiences to be fact for everyone.
It's a useful to drug to get people hooked on if you are trying to get them to serve your expansionist goals, rather than their own human ones. Alcohol has been used to help subdue populations too.There's a clear connection between empire and booze. The mongols on campaign were big drinkers. The british navy were big on drinking. The roman legions drank loads. American frotiersmen were big on the whiskey. The Japanese while they worked insane hours and built up their country and export industries from a poor joke into #1 world powerhouse status, they drank like fish. Many, many great business organizations have been known for their drinking culture. It's a useful drug for blowing off stress and then coming back the next day and getting through shitty work you really don't want to be doing and building something great.
Yeah, we've had at least one leader DIC of country.Next someone will chime in with how such a former President or some other pseudo successful type drank daily.
I think there is evidence of harm - increased risk of cancers etc - from this level of drinking.You have chosen not see the evidence of a couple of drinks a day not being a problem.
+1It could be just as likely that alcohol after work fills the time that people would normally spend thinking about their bad working conditions which they endure during the day. In my opinion, it's probably a way to keep the working class submissive automata.
Yeah. I think Reams said that some people, with particular damage, can benefit from a small amount of alcohol. He lived for decades with a pancreas damaged by wartime shrapnel, and took doses of the order of a tsp of strong spirit (IIRC, something to do with helping regulate body temperature).Our guts produce a small amount of ethanol, so it's not a totally foreign substance.
All that was required of them was a primitive patriotism which could be appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working hours or shorter rations. And when they become discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontentment led nowhere, because being without general ideas, they could only focus it on petty specific grievances.”