A Peat Diet Will Not Save You From Alcohol Consumption

[Simonsays]

Obviously abstinence of "food" isnt very helpful, i meant overeating!!

 

[tara]

In terms of alcohol making people more sociable, I think that might be in part because many of us live in cultures that associate socialising with alcohol. I've hung out from time to time in some pretty sociable groups of people who drink little or no alcohol.

Alcohol tends to mess with judgement, and people who drink alcohol are often unaware that their judgement is impaired. (The problem with the second or third drink before driving is often that it messes with the judgement about whether to have a fourth, fifth etc drink, and by then their judgement about whether they are safe to drive is sometimes shot.) I've noticed that some of the drinkers I've been around often say they enjoy it, and they feel more sociable when they drink, and they think they are being very amusing when they've been drinking. Their judgement about this is often impaired too. Hanging out with people under the influence of stupid-making drugs isn't always much fun. Also, hanging round with people who are only happy when they are drinking can be a real drag.

The answer to this is along the lines of we wouldn't have this or that if said empire didn't exist ,to this I always say we might have something much better if said empires didn't exist.

Good point.

At one time the abstinent Muslim empires were at the cutting edge of technology and social organization.

+1

and, not least, the availability of big rocks. ;-)

:)

Alcohol serves no necessary biological role for humans.

I'd make a slight modification to this:
The consumption of alcohol serves no necessary biological role for humans with the possible exception of a small minority who are unable to produce endogenously the small amount (~ a few mls) that is useful for a healthy metabolism.
This is a pretty small exception in both number of affected individuals and in relevant quantity of alcohol.

Also, I'm inclined to think that for anyone who does not have a history of alcohol addiction, the small amounts of alcohol in many supplements provide a useful and relatively harmless excipient.

George Orwell was such a clever man.

+1

I think it's a great idea to get out of the habit of regular or excessive alcohol drinking, and I applaud anyone who does it. And any other harmful addictions.

 

[natedawggh]

Are only unhealthy people allowed on this forum? I am on here mainly for the interesting studies that Haidut posts. I like to give my own 2 cents on other posts that I may have had experience in.

I already said once that I drank alcohol during my recovery. I believe it might be you that can't read. Also, first you said that anyone who is trying to regain health is not compatible with alcohol but now your back peddling and saying that thyroid health is not compatible with alcohol.

I believe you to just be in the honeymoon phase of your own health journey where you believe that every epiphany you had in your own health must be the best strategy for all, as evident from other blog posts you have made. Don't worry, you will have many more epiphanies and look back in a few years to see your errors.

That's cool though, you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. I just get a bit irritated with absolutist posts because I have seen it so many times throughout my health journey and without fail, absolutes are always wrong. Except maybe pufa avoidance, that may be the one universal, but I'm still not certain.

Your 2 cents is about all it's worth. Not once have you been able to use actual science or medical terms to describe your superhuman resistance to alcohol abuse. Invoking your personal version of human history is purely anecdotal, and obtuse. Stating your opinion in contradiction to my citations of actual science and the work of the man we're here to laud is absolutist, dismissive, and ignorant. No doctor in this country would recommend drinking for someone who is stricken with any notable metabolic disease. You are insane to even imply such passive acceptance of obvious contradictions to established medical consequences of alcohol consumption. The reason there is a warning label on alcohol that it causes cancer is because it can cause cancer, and it does cause cancer. Ray himself is quoted as saying "the effects of alcohol are mostly negative." I don't see you on here defending the consumption of other substances in that category. PUFAS are largely negative. Can you please defend their recreational use the way you've so vehemently done for alcohol, a substance which has no nutritional value or beneficial effect on human physiology? If you really think it's just my opinion, why even feel the need to chime in and justify for something which is so widely understood to have negative health consequences? It's because my post touched on something you clearly have deep feelings about. I get that. I was there once. Maybe you should ask yourself why you had that reaction? My belief didn't stop reality, and neither will your contrarian options. You say you're healthy, so again, go drink! My post was for people experiencing illness, not you.

In the presence of polyunsaturated fats alcohol always causes damage. It's chemistry. Only saturated fat is resistant to it. The damage can be mitigated by the body to an extent, depending on the health of the organism. But any person suffering from metabolic diseases, of which all originate in an excess of polyunsaturated fats, cannot introduce alcohol into that same environment and not expect immediate and persistent cellular damage. There is no way to separate the alcohol from contact with the polyunsatured fat, hence the condition that no person experiencing illness can imbibe and expect a resurgence in health. Your insistence to the contrary shows not only a total lack of understanding of the nature of polyunsaturated fats, and chemistry in general (not to mention common sense) but the bulk of Rays work, because there there are at least 10 articles in which Ray refers to the toxic effects of alcohol. You also display an unfathomable ignorance of the morality rates directly related to alcohol consumption. Again, do what you want, but if you want to vomit your nonsense here you need to be prepared with actual science, not grand delusions on greatness.

Alcohol Facts and Statistics | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)

 

[Hugh Johnson]

ISIS are taking high doses of amphetamines and the like, a Saudi prince was recently caught with kilos of potent amphetamine on his private jet. Common knowledge.
This is why it's useless engaging in debate with them,they have veered into the pathological and now make it worse with abuse of said drugs.

To stop these groups rising we need to let their countries alone,let it to the people of that country to sort it out. Too late now unfortunately ,this will run its violent course for many years yet.

This is why governments are trying to tie up the money system,control the money and you will strangle them at the source, many countries using the same currency cashless will curb what these guys do, those who control the new system are in possibly the most powerful position in history, gauging human nature I think we will stop radical pseudo religious movements and end up with naive idealists at the top, a bit like American governments naivety believing the eastern countries would want capitalism and the illusion of freedom it brings.

The New Caliphate: What Should Be Done about the Islamic State? Part II

Check it out. Turchin predicted the rise of a caliphate as a response to the invasion of Iraq in 2005.

 

[Drareg]

The New Caliphate: What Should Be Done about the Islamic State? Part II

Check it out. Turchin predicted the rise of a caliphate as a response to the invasion of Iraq in 2005.

To be fair this was a threat long before 2005, Islam has always had radical factions just like many other religions,they are bastardised by power mad (pathological) humans, the difference with Islam is it has a huge population to pull from,if a mass amount Catholics got radical we would be in trouble with 1 billion to pull from.

2005 and even the first Bush invasion was the perfect foil for the propaganda of said individuals. Something similar happened with the Nazis, the German people were being humiliated and had enough,along comes Hitler with a bastardised philosophy at the right time.
The potential for this in the west is ripe at the moment.

Their are far worse individuals lurking under the guise of peace and human development,many of them have an absolute fortune, their loathing of other people IMO has crystalized from the fact of not being able to have absolute power in spite of being worth a fortune, they can never have everything they want, people like this become pathological from rejection.

 

[Lecarpetron]

Thanks for sharing your experience, natedawggh. It clearly struck a nerve with some. I have a few drinks a week, and I'm no fan of AA (long story)...yet, I find it fascinating that some people on this thread responded rather contemptuously to defend drinking, exaggerating to say that alcohol built modern civilization, etc. I experienced the same derision when I chose to cut back on drinking in my party-centric city...some acquaintances also spun it into a moral-based issue, and assumed I was some sort of puritanical zealot. In truth, I was just bored, plus I started suspecting my health was being negatively impacted.

It does seem like people will spend big money on supplements, read medical journals, micromanage the fat content of their cheese, etc., yet fail to recognize that their perceived "moderate" participation in the number one societal pastime (at least in the US) could be doing as much damage to their health as nutritional imbalances, movement deficits, and/or psychological stress. I agree with those who think alcohol consumption functions as a pressure valve from repressed lifestyles, even (especially) by those who are conventionally very "successful".

 

[Makrosky]

and at least do some squats to maintain bone health,

Why is that ? Squats to maintain bone health ? Please explain!

 

[Makrosky]

I am often approached by people who are seeking help to their seemingly stubborn health issues, without fail it comes up that they drink alcohol. There are no therapies in existence which are stronger than the degenerative effects of alcohol. If you have health issues they absolutely will not heal if you drink, even occasionally. Each time you do is basically resetting any gains in health you may have achieved thus far. I have now been sober for one year and four months, and I am still not completely healed from the damage alcohol did to my health.

I think this is very exagerated and far from truth. There are much worse things than alcohol? For example a simple thing as living in a polluted city.

Have you tried tianeptine ? It's "Peat approved" and there are studies that had used it to treat alcohol addiction.

Good luck.

 

[artist]

I am slightly divided about this topic although I'm more inclined to agree with someone like @bobbybobbob , fellow Trump supporter (ayoo) and admirer of the great builders of nations and organizations that he seems to be. I grew up with parents who were fairly heavy drinkers, met at a bar, my mom I consider an alcoholic and my dad was the exact sorta high-tech industry exec having a few brews after work every day kinda guy that bob described. My dad seems to have a pretty normal relationship with alcohol but when my mom drinks she becomes downright psychotic, even in relatively small amounts, one drink turns her into Mrs Hyde. She really terrorized me and my brother over the years and this led me to have a pretty hardline attitude towards alcohol for a time. But she is also a recluse, has a personality disorder, severe childhood trauma and untreated hypothyroidism, basically has issues that go far beyond alcohol and she abuses alcohol to avoid dealing with them (she's also a TV addict and shopaholic). *Note: she is working on these things slowly nowadays and I love my mom a lot* My brother and I have no issues with alcohol now and I like to get lit about once every three weeks or so, and then every few months I'll have a phase where I drink more moderately and more daily. I think it's worth noting that after 2-3 drinks I'm better at almost every game. Funny, that. Alcohol can absolutely be abused but I don't think it's inherently abusive to drink or even, from time to time, get proper drunk. It can go rapidly out of balance and towards degeneracy, but that puts it in the category of other powerful forces in life like sex, money etc. For instance the AIDS epidemic doesn't mean no one should have sex, it means that people should practice monogamy. If someone is unable to do that because they're mentally ill, spiritually out of balance, whatever, that isn't the fault of "sex".

 

[Drareg]

Have any of the pro regular alcohol camp gone a period without it? I mean a minimum of 6 months?
It seems a redundant argument if you have not.

I have done the cliche drinking lifestyle,never daily,but get to the weekend thing after crazy week at work etc.
I sincerely feel I will never do it again, I see people drinking 4-5 pints over 5 hours and wonder what I was thinking doing it,I couldn't drink that amount of water if I was in a desert.

What are we saying when we are hammered drunk ?? Is it get me out of my situation/consciousness because I don't like or need a break?

 

[Makrosky]

Have any of the pro regular alcohol camp gone a period without it? I mean a minimum of 6 months?
It seems a redundant argument if you have not.

I have done the cliche drinking lifestyle,never daily,but get to the weekend thing after crazy week at work etc.
I sincerely feel I will never do it again, I see people drinking 4-5 pints over 5 hours and wonder what I was thinking doing it,I couldn't drink that amount of water if I was in a desert.

What are we saying when we are hammered drunk ?? Is it get me out of my situation/consciousness because I don't like or need a break?

Not so long ago I spent 8 months without drinking any alcohol. It was a TERRIBLE experience. Not because I craved it. But because ...

My social life outside work/family was reduced to almost inexistent and everytime I was in a social situation I was so pissed off because everybody would ask why I don't drink and so on... very exhausting.

 

[Lecarpetron]

Not so long ago I spent 8 months without drinking any alcohol. It was a TERRIBLE experience. Not because I craved it. But because ...

My social life outside work/family was reduced to almost inexistent and everytime I was in a social situation I was so pissed off because everybody would ask why I don't drink and so on... very exhausting.

This is why I still have a drink or so per week. The stress of not drinking was worse than the stress of very light drinking. No man is an island.

 

[artist]

I've gone without alcohol for more than six months, yes, or even longer. Was spontaneous cause I didn't feel like drinking but I wasn't particularly happy at that time either. I don't think drinking has to be so negative or escapist, it can be enhancing. I find when I'm really unhappy/unwell drinking only makes it worse so I don't bother with it under those circumstances. When it's nighttime and everyone's feeling like they just wanna have fun and enjoy each other's company, alcohol is a perfect addition

 

[Drareg]

Not so long ago I spent 8 months without drinking any alcohol. It was a TERRIBLE experience. Not because I craved it. But because ...

My social life outside work/family was reduced to almost inexistent and everytime I was in a social situation I was so pissed off because everybody would ask why I don't drink and so on... very exhausting.

But a coke instead while being social?
The need for alcohol while around friends may say something about the something about the people your with.

I'm always puzzled by couples who mainly have sex while drunk, rarely is it sober sex.

 

[Drareg]

But a coke instead while being social?
The need for alcohol while around friends may say something about the people your with?

I'm always puzzled by couples who mainly have sex while drunk, rarely is it sober sex.

 

[Lecarpetron]

So, does anyone refute this statement: alcohol consumption produces negative physiological effects, but in certain situations and doses, produces social/psychological benefits.

@Drareg
Depends on the situation...drinking coke at a backyard family bbq is socially acceptable. Drinking coke for 6 straight hours while bar hopping on a Saturday night will get noticed, and people will bug the crap out of you about why you refuse to "have fun." I realize this sounds like an odd complaint if you've never experienced it.

 

[James_001]

Not so long ago I spent 8 months without drinking any alcohol. It was a TERRIBLE experience. Not because I craved it. But because ...

My social life outside work/family was reduced to almost inexistent and everytime I was in a social situation I was so pissed off because everybody would ask why I don't drink and so on... very exhausting.

This is why I still have a drink or so per week. The stress of not drinking was worse than the stress of very light drinking. No man is an island.

Can't you just base your social activities on something that doesn't involve drinking? Plenty of people play sports on weekends, make art together, etc..

 

[Drareg]

So, does anyone refute this statement: alcohol consumption produces negative physiological effects, but in certain situations and doses, produces social/psychological benefits.

@Drareg
Depends on the situation...drinking coke at a backyard family bbq is socially acceptable. Drinking coke for 6 straight hours while bar hopping on a Saturday night will get noticed, and people will bug the crap out of you about why you refuse to "have fun." I realize this sounds like an odd complaint if you've never experienced it.

I do regularly ,it's not that bad IMO, alcohol allergy also works if your concerned certain types might construe it as recovering alcoholic.

Teenage kids in the 50's I think used to spend hours hanging out in soda bars,this is where the great coke was made,phosphate sodas.

The effects are probably on hdac inhibition ,similar to a benzodiazepine, this is a positive in some cases, it would more positive if it didn't have what could be called severe side effects,it just makes it into the category of poison.
Phenibut is similar, has potential for withdrawal but does not have poison like side effects.

 

[Makrosky]

But a coke instead while being social?
The need for alcohol while around friends may say something about the something about the people your with.

I'm always puzzled by couples who mainly have sex while drunk, rarely is it sober sex.

Good points :
1) The thing is that if you're surrounded by people who drink more than a couple of beers and you don't, the social interactions, the energy of the situation, it's different. You're like a stranger. It's not fun to be there. Plus you see with sober eyes all the stupidity of alcohol consumption. No. Either you drink a couple of drinks or you don't go there.

2) Yes. It says something about the people I'm with. Of course. I have rarely found any people who doesn't drink any ammount of alcohol.

3) Yes but maybe alcohol de-inhibites them if they are rigid personalities and can have more pleasant sex ?

 

[Makrosky]

So, does anyone refute this statement: alcohol consumption produces negative physiological effects, but in certain situations and doses, produces social/psychological benefits.

@Drareg
Depends on the situation...drinking coke at a backyard family bbq is socially acceptable. Drinking coke for 6 straight hours while bar hopping on a Saturday night will get noticed, and people will bug the crap out of you about why you refuse to "have fun." I realize this sounds like an odd complaint if you've never experienced it.

Or go to a fancy restaurant in a company meeting or with family of friends or whatever and don't drink wine with the dinner, instead order a pepsi. You'll see.