HIgh Carb - Low Fat | Dangers of combining SFA with Fructose | Pre-Diabetes

[GreekDemiGod]

Lately, I have made some discoveries:

1. When I go lower in fats and higher in carbs(both sugar and complex carbs), my energy levels and vitality drastically improve. Body temperature is at the ideal levels, so assuming thyroid function ramps up
2. I generally get tired after higher fat meals
3. High sugar + high SFA diet is fattening for me. High-Carb Low Fat melts my body fat.
4. I am technically pre-diabetic. Fasting blood glucose over 100 since 2019.
5. I’ve been diagnosed in 2020 with mild hepatic steatosis(NAFLD). This was 7 months after I started adopting Peat principles and a couple years into adopting significant SFA intake in my diet.

I read about reversal of prediabetes/ type 2 diabetes on low-fat plant-based. I believe this theory, low fat makes the oxidative metabolism work better.
It also seems that having a high amount of both fructose and Saturated Fats in my diet is bad, at least in my current metabolic state. And it’s what probably caused my pre-diabetes and fatty liver especially.
There is a theory that SFA is more inducing of fatty liver than fructose is.

Will I ever be able to enjoy SFA again?
Is fructose + SFA bad, would that mean my PUFA stores are not depleted?

 

[youngsinatra]

In actual human studies PUFA appear to be superior to SFA and starchy carbohydrates seem superior to fructose in terms of diabetes/fatty liver/metabolic syndrome.

I consciously keep SFA low and I consume fructose only in the form of whole fruits.
SFA make my heart pump harder, circulation worse (leading to palpitations, ED and brain fog) and I occasionally feel chest-tightness/chest-pains with high SFA intake.

 

[Nomane Euger]

Lately, I have made some discoveries:

1. When I go lower in fats and higher in carbs(both sugar and complex carbs), my energy levels and vitality drastically improve. Body temperature is at the ideal levels, so assuming thyroid function ramps up
2. I generally get tired after higher fat meals
3. High sugar + high SFA diet is fattening for me. High-Carb Low Fat melts my body fat.
4. I am technically pre-diabetic. Fasting blood glucose over 100 since 2019.
5. I’ve been diagnosed in 2020 with mild hepatic steatosis(NAFLD). This was 7 months after I started adopting Peat principles and a couple years into adopting significant SFA intake in my diet.

I read about reversal of prediabetes/ type 2 diabetes on low-fat plant-based. I believe this theory, low fat makes the oxidative metabolism work better.
It also seems that having a high amount of both fructose and Saturated Fats in my diet is bad, at least in my current metabolic state. And it’s what probably caused my pre-diabetes and fatty liver especially.
There is a theory that SFA is more inducing of fatty liver than fructose is.

Will I ever be able to enjoy SFA again?
Is fructose + SFA bad, would that mean my PUFA stores are not depleted?

hi,when you lowered you fat intake,and increased sugar/starch,did you increase your minerals rich foods intake such as fruits/tubers,or did you add only refined carbohydrate such as refined grains?did you account for the other changes you did while you lowered your fat intake,you mentionned many on your log

 

[laleto12]

what happens if you constantly crave fat? Sugar do not satisfy me a bit. It is always like an after meal gift

 

[youngsinatra]

what happens if you constantly crave fat? Sugar do not satisfy me a bit. It is always like an after meal gift

Try starch, vegetables, salt and animal protein.

 

[aliml]

Randle Cycle Explained: Why You Shouldn't Combine Fats and Carbs Together - Siim Land Blog

What is the glucose fatty acid cycle aka the Randle cycle and how does it link with insulin resistance and obesity? Check out this article.

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The Fatty Acid Syndrome (Randle Cycle)

This is the original study that postulated the existence of the Randle Cycle. I strongly recommend that everyone reads it as it will likely dispell whatever doubts you may have had about Peat and his ideas. I have posted many other studies that directly support the role of the Randle Cycle in...

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[TheSir]

SFA make my heart pump harder, circulation worse (leading to palpitations, ED and brain fog) and I occasionally feel chest-tightness/chest-pains with high SFA intake.

Does SFA do this to you even when you eat it in isolation? I get similar effects by combining SFA and starches, but not from any other combination.

what happens if you constantly crave fat? Sugar do not satisfy me a bit. It is always like an after meal gift

Intelligently listening to your cravings would generally be a very Peatarian thing to do. Eat some butter until you are satisfied.

 

[SamYo123]

Try starch, vegetables, salt and animal protein.

animal protein is sfa?

 

[Nomane Euger]

animal protein is sfa?

please,like,basic deductions,you can eat lean red meat with not much fat

 

[Cloudhands]

@GreekDemiGod how much fat does this to you? like what percentage?

 

[Samya]

Do you miss eating a lot of fat? I've found eating higher carb my appetite for fat becomes reduced so I don't miss eating a lot of it. A really fatty steak has become somewhat nauseating to even think about. After a while even whole cow milk tastes too rich.

I think a little fat is nice to flavour foods, make fat soluble vitamins more bioavailable and good for smooth digestion, but adding a lot of it slows everything down mentally and physically. Maybe some people can make ketones really well for brain energy, in my experience there's no way fat can keep up with sugars.

Apart from whole milk there's hardly any foods in their natural state which have a lot of both SFA and sugars, so it's not too surprising they don't go together too well in large quantities. Human milk has more lactose sugar than fat compared to other mammals I know of, which is maybe a sign we do better with more sugar in relation to fats.

 

[Sefton10]

Highish carb and highish fat is working well for me. I think the key is complex carbs (sprouted oats, sprouted lentils, whole fruits) and cocoa butter. Refined starches like white rice and masa (or fruit juice) don't work as well for me. There's something about cocoa butter, possibly the stearic acid content. I lean up from it and it feels androgenic, whereas too much animal fat and dairy makes me heavier.

 

[𝙁𝙧𝙪𝙞𝙩~𝙩𝙚𝙚]

Highish carb and highish fat is working well for me. I think the key is complex carbs (sprouted oats, sprouted lentils, whole fruits) and cocoa butter. Refined starches like white rice and masa (or fruit juice) don't work as well for me. There's something about cocoa butter, possibly the stearic acid content. I lean up from it and it feels androgenic, whereas too much animal fat and dairy makes me heavier.

How do you consume the cocoa butter? Do you think using it topically on the skin would have the same effects?

 

[i_nomad]

Between this…

In actual human studies PUFA appear to be superior to SFA and starchy carbohydrates seem superior to fructose in terms of diabetes/fatty liver/metabolic syndrome

…and the blanket “vegetables” recommendation, I have to ask, are you here on this forum just to be a contrarian?

You know that’s the essentially opposite of what this forum tends to embrace, right? And with plenty of evidence, no less.

 

[Nomane Euger]

Between this…

…and the blanket “vegetables” recommendation, I have to ask, are you here on this forum just to be a contrarian?

You know that’s the essentially opposite of what this forum tends to embrace, right? And with plenty of evidence, no less.

hi,he just share his opinion,ask him to share the studys he is refering to if you think there is something wrong with his perspective,everyone have the right to share their opinions wich they believe to be based on their experiences and researchs

 

[Kvothe]

In actual human studies PUFA appear to be superior to SFA

Please show those.

 

[youngsinatra]

Saturated Fat Is More Metabolically Harmful for the Human Liver Than Unsaturated Fat or Simple Sugars Diabetes Care 2018;41:1732–1739 | https://doi.org/10.2337/dc18-0071

Overeating Saturated Fat Promotes Fatty Liver and Ceramides Compared With Polyunsaturated Fat: A Randomized Trial

Saturated fatty acid (SFA) vs polyunsaturated fatty acid (PUFA) may promote nonalcoholic fatty liver disease by yet unclear mechanisms.To investigate if overeating SFA- and PUFA-enriched diets lead to differential liver fat accumulation in overweight ...

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Effects of n-6 PUFAs compared with SFAs on liver fat, lipoproteins, and inflammation in abdominal obesity: a randomized controlled trial

ABSTRACT. Background: Replacing SFAs with vegetable PUFAs has cardiometabolic benefits, but the effects on liver fat are unknown. Increased dietary n-6 PUFAs ha

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Never said that PUFAs are good, but SFA are pretty bad in comparison.

 

[aniciete]

I swear people on this forum change their mind on things every couple months

 

[aniciete]

3. High sugar + high SFA diet is fattening for me. High-Carb Low Fat melts my body fat.

Don’t you think that’s because with less fat you are eating less calories?

 

[Nomane Euger]

@GreekDemiGod hi,why do you put in the title "danger of combining SFA with fructose"considering that most of your fat sources were also containing a good amount of mufa and pufa for some"eggs, cottage cheese, salted cow cheese, coconut oil, avocados, milk / goat milk, butter and some beef fat"(from your log)did you experiment with the same amount of total fat, with fat sources that are mainly mufa and or pufa and contained a very small amount of saturated fat,and didnt get the bad affects you attributed to saturated fat?i have the same question for your point 3 "High sugar + high SFA diet is fattening for me" and same question for your point 5.you made a post 3 weeks ago called"An ode to grass-fed ribeye. Manliest food ever?"after you ate a ribeye and felt great,and you said in this post"All this being said, I consider fatty beef to be an ideal food for men. There is something to be said about having generous protein and fats intake as a man in particular, in addition to adequate carbs."what changed between when you wrote this first post where fatty ribeye made you feel great to the point where you considered it an ideal food for all men and now?