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High Blood Pressure. concerned
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I dont think you can use too much gelatin really..Some people say 3 tablespoons a day, but I know some members here use a ton of it although I do not know what the downsides of using a lot are so maybe start with 3 tablespoons a day.
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leo said:
For me too much is what gives me digestive discomfort or makes me feel sick of it. I take like 3 tsps.
He said that someone he knew lowered his bp with 45 mg of thorne k. He also told me to lower the oj since I can only get commercial now. In Jan we will have loads of fresh local oranges perfect for juicing. Now they taste like lemons and he says citric acid causes problems.
Thats great that your bp is normal! Did you drink the club soda alone?
Thats great that your bp is normal! Did you drink the club soda alone?
I have been drinking it plain and after I drink some, I add the OJ. The one I have now has potassium but I think the previous one had magnesium. It takes me a few days to drink it. I just sip on it here and there.
My mother had high blood pressure also. She had a stroke after they changed her medication by adding a diuretic.
It is interesting about the orange juice and vitamin k. Did you consume a lot of green leafy vegetables before Peat?
My mother had high blood pressure also. She had a stroke after they changed her medication by adding a diuretic.
It is interesting about the orange juice and vitamin k. Did you consume a lot of green leafy vegetables before Peat?
Yes. I ate kale chard watercress and spinach. Lots of salads too.
Sorry about your mother vthat is why I dont want to go to the dr for this, but at the same time I want to get it back down to normal asap.
Will be curious to know what is working for you....the vitamin k or the soda.
Sorry about your mother vthat is why I dont want to go to the dr for this, but at the same time I want to get it back down to normal asap.
Will be curious to know what is working for you....the vitamin k or the soda.
BingDing
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Thanks for that link, leo, I'll give it a try. I thought I was doing well with topical mag oil but there's no way of knowing. Oral mag almost always gives me the runs, though.
Well shoot, it just dawned on me that I drank decaf coffee for years before starting this. Doh. With regular coffee and mexicoke every day I am getting a lot of caffeine. I hope that is it, at 178/103 this evening I've got to do something.
Does anyone have an opinion on the safest or best BP medicine to use? I am loathe to put myself in the hands of a doc without a lot of research.
Well shoot, it just dawned on me that I drank decaf coffee for years before starting this. Doh. With regular coffee and mexicoke every day I am getting a lot of caffeine. I hope that is it, at 178/103 this evening I've got to do something.
Does anyone have an opinion on the safest or best BP medicine to use? I am loathe to put myself in the hands of a doc without a lot of research.
Binding how long ago did you start Peat? Do you consume a lot of orange juice? Vitamin K?
Are you puffy? Maybe an herbal diuretic? I didn't take one because I am not puffy, but after the first night on the bicarb drink, I weighed 4 lbs less the next a.m. so there was retention.
Doesn't coke have a lot of phosphorous? Something has been said about that not being so good with high bp.
I was chugging down a lot of oj at the beginning when mine went up. Yesterday I did not have any....BP was not as high as on some days, but still would like to get it down more.
Maybe the bicarbonate drink will help you....I am drinking less and no more runs. I read that the drink is a good way to get the body to absorb the mag, altho it will only end up absorbing 50%. Topical oils and epsom baths lower bp for a short while, but at least you can see some good numbers before you go to bed.
That bp is very high in my opinion and I would try getting it down at home first before going to dr as they will for sure put you on meds.
Good luck to you....I know how frustrating this can be.
Are you puffy? Maybe an herbal diuretic? I didn't take one because I am not puffy, but after the first night on the bicarb drink, I weighed 4 lbs less the next a.m. so there was retention.
Doesn't coke have a lot of phosphorous? Something has been said about that not being so good with high bp.
I was chugging down a lot of oj at the beginning when mine went up. Yesterday I did not have any....BP was not as high as on some days, but still would like to get it down more.
Maybe the bicarbonate drink will help you....I am drinking less and no more runs. I read that the drink is a good way to get the body to absorb the mag, altho it will only end up absorbing 50%. Topical oils and epsom baths lower bp for a short while, but at least you can see some good numbers before you go to bed.
That bp is very high in my opinion and I would try getting it down at home first before going to dr as they will for sure put you on meds.
Good luck to you....I know how frustrating this can be.
"Osteoporosis, calcification of soft tissues and high blood pressure are promoted by multiple stresses, hypothyroidism, and magnesium deficiency."
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/0 ... -pressure/
----->This statement, and other magnesium deficiency symptoms I have made me think my higher bp is due to a magnesium deficiency. I also wondered if the increase in calcium from dairy creates the deficiency.
From "Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit" by Adelle Davis,
"The more calcium in a diet, the more magnesium needed. Calcium given alone can induce a magnesium deficiency."
"When magnesium is deficient, large amounts of calcium are lost in the urine even though sorely needed by the body."
"Because of the tremendous importance of magnesium, it appears that the diet of every man, woman, and child should be supplemented with this nutrient unless he is lucky enough to eat foods grown entirely on magnesium-rich soils without chemical fertilizers."
----->Ray Peat has quoted from this book, but there are things in this book that he might not agree with. So, I do not know if he would agree with the above statements. I am putting it out there for discussion.
And from Ray Peat,
"Thyroid, progesterone, protein, and salt are powerful defenses against all sorts of stress associated symptoms, including hot flashes, insomnia, cramps, PMS, edema, toxemia of pregnancy, low-birth-weight babies, epilepsy, heart diseases, hypertension, strokes, migraine, inflammatory diseases hypoglycemia, fatigue and depression. The first approach to an appropriate diet would be to use at least a quart of milk and a quart of orange juice daily, well salted chicken broth, and frequent snacks, especially salty foods.”
---->Another thing that might have contributed to my bp getting lower this past week is I took some Cascara Sagrada. The kind I have is a 450 mg capsule. This cleaned me out. Couldn't leave the house cleaning out. I won't be using that dosage again.
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/0 ... -pressure/
----->This statement, and other magnesium deficiency symptoms I have made me think my higher bp is due to a magnesium deficiency. I also wondered if the increase in calcium from dairy creates the deficiency.
From "Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit" by Adelle Davis,
"The more calcium in a diet, the more magnesium needed. Calcium given alone can induce a magnesium deficiency."
"When magnesium is deficient, large amounts of calcium are lost in the urine even though sorely needed by the body."
"Because of the tremendous importance of magnesium, it appears that the diet of every man, woman, and child should be supplemented with this nutrient unless he is lucky enough to eat foods grown entirely on magnesium-rich soils without chemical fertilizers."
----->Ray Peat has quoted from this book, but there are things in this book that he might not agree with. So, I do not know if he would agree with the above statements. I am putting it out there for discussion.
And from Ray Peat,
"Thyroid, progesterone, protein, and salt are powerful defenses against all sorts of stress associated symptoms, including hot flashes, insomnia, cramps, PMS, edema, toxemia of pregnancy, low-birth-weight babies, epilepsy, heart diseases, hypertension, strokes, migraine, inflammatory diseases hypoglycemia, fatigue and depression. The first approach to an appropriate diet would be to use at least a quart of milk and a quart of orange juice daily, well salted chicken broth, and frequent snacks, especially salty foods.”
---->Another thing that might have contributed to my bp getting lower this past week is I took some Cascara Sagrada. The kind I have is a 450 mg capsule. This cleaned me out. Couldn't leave the house cleaning out. I won't be using that dosage again.
hagaandazdiane: That's interesting. I tend to agree. I have always felt I was low mag compared to the others. However when I wrote Peat his answer focused on the oj....the citric acid. So I ditched the oj and upped the milk. BP is not horrid, it's down in the 130's/80's now. Tomorrow I will try to reintroduce the oj and see. That will automatically lower my milk intake cause there's only so much I can drink in a day. He says one quart to one quart...interesting.
I hear ya on the cascara sagrada. With me it was the bicarbonate drink...cleaned me out too. LOL I take a tiny bit at night now and so far no problems with that dose.
If it turns out both of our problems are only low mag....with no correlation to how much pot or calcium we consume....then how do we get our levels up? Everything seems to cause runs and the topicals don't do much imo.
Anyway....I called to get labs next week. Will do an electrolyte panel and see where I am. Let me know if you find a safe dose with the cascara....I just saw it in the health food store so it's something I can get here.
I hear ya on the cascara sagrada. With me it was the bicarbonate drink...cleaned me out too. LOL I take a tiny bit at night now and so far no problems with that dose.
If it turns out both of our problems are only low mag....with no correlation to how much pot or calcium we consume....then how do we get our levels up? Everything seems to cause runs and the topicals don't do much imo.
Anyway....I called to get labs next week. Will do an electrolyte panel and see where I am. Let me know if you find a safe dose with the cascara....I just saw it in the health food store so it's something I can get here.
"with no correlation to how much pot or calcium we consume"
LOL pot consumption helps bp, I think....
In the Adelle Davis book, she talks about ingesting Epsom salt which another forum member uses. I may try a tad of that and the MoM drink with less MoM.
LOL pot consumption helps bp, I think....
In the Adelle Davis book, she talks about ingesting Epsom salt which another forum member uses. I may try a tad of that and the MoM drink with less MoM.
BingDing
Member
You're right, leo, fixing this myself is the real answer. I've been full Peat probably since last December but I came to it in fits and starts over several months. My BP last September averaged out to 117/76 and all my labs were fine. I was still eating oats and psyllium for fiber but not much else "wrong", so I'm sure I can get straightened out.
I hadn't heard of phosphorus and high BP before, and honestly didn't pay too much attention to phosphorus. Coke, and I ate meat and eggs regularly, are now out!
The bicarb/MoM drink is interesting, I think I am absorbing some. I've read a couple places that if mag is too depleted it inhibits intestinal absorption, a real catch 22. Maybe the topical mag oil got me up to a level where I can use oral supplements. But I've certainly learned the lesson, small dosages only, LOL.
+1, BD
I hadn't heard of phosphorus and high BP before, and honestly didn't pay too much attention to phosphorus. Coke, and I ate meat and eggs regularly, are now out!
The bicarb/MoM drink is interesting, I think I am absorbing some. I've read a couple places that if mag is too depleted it inhibits intestinal absorption, a real catch 22. Maybe the topical mag oil got me up to a level where I can use oral supplements. But I've certainly learned the lesson, small dosages only, LOL.
+1, BD
Just throwing this out there to see if someone sees anything important:
Today's food intake:
coffee with a bit lowfat milk and sugar/gelatin
cottage cheese/mango
lowfat fish and homemade french fries in coconut oil
mango
parmegianno cheese with black grapes
small glass of orange juice
ice cream float (in normal coke)
cottage cheese/ripe pineapple
My bp this morning was sky high. I on purpose did not drink milk or juice in the a.m. and for most part of the day. It stayed high.
By late afternoon I decided to try a return to the oj since nothing is improving bp wise.
Still high.
Then I went for "coffee' with a girlfriend and decided I did not want coffee so instead had 2 scoops of vanilla hagaan daz in a glass of normal coke.
BP lowered but still too high for me.
Hadn't prepared anything for dinner so I ate cottage cheese again this time with pineapple and went to bed to read.
BP 120/80!!!!
Now...a million dollars to whomever can figure out what got the bp down.
Today's food intake:
coffee with a bit lowfat milk and sugar/gelatin
cottage cheese/mango
lowfat fish and homemade french fries in coconut oil
mango
parmegianno cheese with black grapes
small glass of orange juice
ice cream float (in normal coke)
cottage cheese/ripe pineapple
My bp this morning was sky high. I on purpose did not drink milk or juice in the a.m. and for most part of the day. It stayed high.
By late afternoon I decided to try a return to the oj since nothing is improving bp wise.
Still high.
Then I went for "coffee' with a girlfriend and decided I did not want coffee so instead had 2 scoops of vanilla hagaan daz in a glass of normal coke.
BP lowered but still too high for me.
Hadn't prepared anything for dinner so I ate cottage cheese again this time with pineapple and went to bed to read.
BP 120/80!!!!
Now...a million dollars to whomever can figure out what got the bp down.
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