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Having acne problems after starting a peaty diet

pastanagueta

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does milk increase endotoxin somehow, even if its whole milk? doesnt the fat have an anti bacterial effect. also does that mean raw milk would cause more acne/endotoxin while ultra pasteurized milk is least pro endotoxin?
According to the information given on that interview, it's not the milk, or the fat of the milk, or anything like that. It's the fact that there's far too much bacteria in the small intestine, which generates endotoxin. And "so if some kind of a food gives you a problem, it’s typically not the food itself, it’s that you’re feeding it to the bacteria and then it’s generating a lot of these toxic by-products" (direct quote from Georgi from this interview).

If you read the entire interview it's all very well explained, by the way I can see I gave you a link that doesn´t work anymore, here's a good one: Georgi Dinkov (haidut) on acné
 

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I didn't know what was causing it till one day I decided to start taking casein protein powder. After much research I bought the very best organic micellar casein I could find, and after taking it once a day for three days only, my already bad acne suddenly became so so much worse I couldn't believe it.
Do you know where it was made? I would predict somewhere with a fluoridated water supply.

There is a lot of washing and drying in casein production and, like other processed foods, the fluoride probably sticks to the product when the water is evaporated. Given the multiple stages of washing, I'd suspect casein powder picks up a lot of fluoride.

I'm still convinced fluoride plays a big role in acne, although I don't have all the answers yet. Even though casein is a large component of milk, I suspect the reason it causes acne is different from casein powder. I suspected calcium pushing stored fluoride from bones/teeth/pineal but it seems like calcium supplements don't cause the same reaction as milk for most people here. For me personally K2 supplementation does seems to flush fluoride, causing acne and headaches.

See Melissa Gallico's book and my post history for more.
 

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Do you know where it was made? I would predict somewhere with a fluoridated water supply.

There is a lot of washing and drying in casein production and, like other processed foods, the fluoride probably sticks to the product when the water is evaporated. Given the multiple stages of washing, I'd suspect casein powder picks up a lot of fluoride.

I'm still convinced fluoride plays a big role in acne, although I don't have all the answers yet. Even though casein is a large component of milk, I suspect the reason it causes acne is different from casein powder. I suspected calcium pushing stored fluoride from bones/teeth/pineal but it seems like calcium supplements don't cause the same reaction as milk for most people here. For me personally K2 supplementation does seems to flush fluoride, causing acne and headaches.

See Melissa Gallico's book and my post history for more.
is fluoride usually stored in the bones? or glands or organs too, besides thyroid?
does that mean with time milk will improve health status since you excrete fluoride over time on a milk diet?
is that why iodine causes acne too?
so calcium helps excrete fluoride, means on a milk diet, over time youll detox all fluoride in the body? how long would it take to detox fluoride if you were drinking tap water for 10 years or more.
 

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Dairy increase thyroid function then you need more zinc, vitamin A, vitamin E in olive oil. more well cooked vegetables

coming from low carb food pattern can cause increased insulin resistance, use aspirin to inhibit release of free fatty acids.
This slowed down your metabolism, now Peating is going to increase it and pulling harder on the chain of stress hormones, low grade inflammation and nutrient deficiencies come to the surface. And Peating increases the bio-availability of androgen leading to higher activity of sebaceous glands.

try less dairy, more calcium from leafy greens instead, less added refined sugar, and less protein if you are over 30, limit your iron consumption to 1 mg per day by decreasing the red meat intake to prevent increases in gut microbiome and use some tetracycline. Washing the skin with eucalyptus to reduce the local inflammation
 
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Dairy increase thyroid function then you need more zinc, vitamin A, vitamin E in olive oil. more well cooked vegetables

coming from low carb food pattern can cause increased insulin resistance, use aspirin to inhibit release of free fatty acids.
This slowed down your metabolism, now Peating is going to increase it and pulling harder on the chain of stress hormones, low grade inflammation and nutrient deficiencies come to the surface. And Peating increases the bio-availability of androgen leading to higher activity of sebaceous glands.

try less dairy, more calcium from leafy greens instead, less added refined sugar, and less protein if you are over 30, limit your iron consumption to 1 mg per day by decreasing the red meat intake to prevent increases in gut microbiome and use some tetracycline. Washing the skin with eucalyptus to reduce the local inflammation

dairy has vitamin A, and zinc though. you need more?
what factors in dairy cause insulin resistance?
aspirin causes hair loss for a lot of people. if you keep having more dairy will it resolve the issues over time. without needing to have olive oil, greens...
 

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Do you know where it was made? I would predict somewhere with a fluoridated water supply.

There is a lot of washing and drying in casein production and, like other processed foods, the fluoride probably sticks to the product when the water is evaporated. Given the multiple stages of washing, I'd suspect casein powder picks up a lot of fluoride.

I'm still convinced fluoride plays a big role in acne, although I don't have all the answers yet. Even though casein is a large component of milk, I suspect the reason it causes acne is different from casein powder. I suspected calcium pushing stored fluoride from bones/teeth/pineal but it seems like calcium supplements don't cause the same reaction as milk for most people here. For me personally K2 supplementation does seems to flush fluoride, causing acne and headaches.

See Melissa Gallico's book and my post history for more.

I bought the casein powder from an English company, I could find out where they get it from. I didn't know about fluoride, I'd read before that some people who use fluoridated toothpaste got acne from it, but that was it. Appreciate the link and book recommendation, I'll look into it. I'll also review your posts, thanks.

I've been taking K2 in the form of MK4 for the past couple of months, 15mg a day for now, fortunately I didn't see an increase in acne since I began to take it. I can't take MK7 as it makes my heart flutter and do weird things, for some reason.
 

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dairy has vitamin A, and zinc though. you need more?
what factors in dairy cause insulin resistance?
aspirin causes hair loss for a lot of people. if you keep having more dairy will it resolve the issues over time. without needing to have olive oil, greens...
No, you need other sources of vit a zinc than dairy.
The olive oil is the recommended carrier fro vitamin E said DR Peat.
Not dairy, Protein with low carb can increase insulin resistance by increasing free fatty acids, aspirin decreases excessive FFA.

SHBG is the sex hormone carrier protein, when metabolism goes up you increase androgens that you want to bind so you want to increase SHBG by fibers from vegetables like leafy greens. Lower protein in the diet and supporting thyroid function and the liver which is the source of SHBG, results in more SHBG and better metabolism of cholesterol and sex hormones and reduces acne

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Thyroid hormones act indirectly to increase sex hormone-binding globulin production by liver via hepatocyte nuclear factor-4alpha - PubMed
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Diet and Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin

Pharmacology of hormonal contraceptives and acne - PubMed.
 
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Although reports indicate that SHBG has been produced locally in the testes, uterus, and brain, most circulating SHBG in humans is produced in the liver. The product of the SHBG gene in the testes is called the androgen-binding protein, which has different oligosaccharides and is not secreted into the circulation. SHBG production in the liver is inhibited by hepatic lipids and by tumor necrosis factor-α and interleukin-1, rather than by insulin directly, which was reported previously (25). Thus, the low SHBG levels seen in obesity and diabetes are most likely the result of low-grade inflammation and increased amounts of hepatic lipids rather than high insulin levels (26). Selva and Hammond have shown that thyroid hormones increase SHBG production indirectly by increasing hepatocyte nuclear 4 alpha gene expression, which is a major regulator of SHBG transcription (27).
 

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SHBG circulates as a homodimer. Calcium and zinc ions are required for holding the dimer together (19)
So increasing calcium and zinc supports proper SHBG functioning.
increasing vitamin A that together with t3 and cholesterol makes pregnenolone, and magnesium and copper also are needed, which you can also find in leafy greens
 

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Oysters due to their high zinc content - a deficiency is linked to acne. Around 2 per day, 3 days per week (for a total of 6).

Also, dandelion tea. It’s a gentle liver detox that really helps with acne. I give my son a cup a day for a week when his skin is really broken out.
 

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No, you need other sources of vit a zinc than dairy.
The olive oil is the recommended carrier fro vitamin E said DR Peat.
Not dairy, Protein with low carb can increase insulin resistance by increasing free fatty acids, aspirin decreases excessive FFA.

SHBG is the sex hormone carrier protein, when metabolism goes up you increase androgens that you want to bind so you want to increase SHBG by fibers from vegetables like leafy greens. Lower protein in the diet and supporting thyroid function and the liver which is the source of SHBG, results in more SHBG and better metabolism of cholesterol and sex hormones and reduces acne

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Thyroid hormones act indirectly to increase sex hormone-binding globulin production by liver via hepatocyte nuclear factor-4alpha - PubMed
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Diet and Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin

Pharmacology of hormonal contraceptives and acne - PubMed.
I agree
 

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is fluoride usually stored in the bones? or glands or organs too, besides thyroid?
I don't know. I would assume everywhere to some extent. Apparently bones and teeth have 99% of the body's fluoride according to science but of course it doesn't take much to disturb something like the thyroid.

does that mean with time milk will improve health status since you excrete fluoride over time on a milk diet?
is that why iodine causes acne too?
so calcium helps excrete fluoride, means on a milk diet, over time youll detox all fluoride in the body?
That's what I would expect. Another important mineral is magnesium.
Yes, I think so.
Potentially.

how long would it take to detox fluoride if you were drinking tap water for 10 years or more.
Probably quite a while. Apparently you pee out about half the fluoride you intake and store the other half in bone. Once you stop taking in more fluoride you start excreting the stored fluoride. When the fluoride comes out of the bone and back into your system before excretion it's not so different from ingesting fluoride. This study from 1956 gives a good indication. Upon cessation of fluoride ingestion you get an immediate benefit but it's a long slog from there. Looks like after two years things are quite a bit better and then presumably that trend continues. Fwiw my acne had an immediate improvement and has remained at a fairly steady lower but not cured level since that time 6 months ago so finding this graph now is reassuring.

Likins McClure Steere Urinary excretion of fluoride following defluoridation of water supply P...gif

Detoxing 100% is probably impossible and likely something you don't even want to try. Easier to leave it in your bones than deal with digging it up again (I think Peat has said similar things about pufa detoxing before). A study of Swiss aluminium workers with over 5 times the bone fluoride concentration of controls decreased fluoride in their bones by about 50% after 20 years.

Getting it out of the thyroid and brain is probably important but I wouldn't provoke the bones unless I had bone problems like arthritis. Just dealing with what comes out over time is good. Calcium from milk is probably good to help that but I wouldn't overdo K2 for example and very high boron protocols probably aren't worth it.

I've been taking K2 in the form of MK4 for the past couple of months, 15mg a day for now, fortunately I didn't see an increase in acne since I began to take it.
That's good. Personally I didn't notice changes in acne from k2 until after cutting out fluoride so that might be something. It was an mk4+mk7 blend that I noticed it with fwiw and drinking lots of milk as usual.

I didn't know about fluoride, I'd read before that some people who use fluoridated toothpaste got acne from it, but that was it. Appreciate the link and book recommendation, I'll look into it. I'll also review your posts, thanks.
Yes, I discovered it on here when I looked at my acne one day and determined it must be related to lymph somehow because of the location of the worst cysts on my neck.

I also get pesky acne around my mouth which is where fluoride laden teeth and toothpaste are so the fluoride angle makes sense there too.
I also saw a bump in acne when I stated Peating but after a year or so I noticed my acne was better than it had been. What convinced me Melissa Gallico must be right is that I'd noticed my acne flare up when lockdowns ended and I returned to sport and drinking lots more water, where before it was all milk and orange juice. Also, like her, I had noticed less acne while overseas.
 

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I just listened to this recent interview where they talk a lot about acne, lots of very interesting info I think:
 

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