Any Supplements/ Dietary Advice To Overcome Long Term Masturbation/porn Addiction?

[ecstatichamster]

Wow, lots of misinformation and religious sounding nonsense in this thread. Nofap and YourBrianOnPorn are complete pseudoscience. Porn is fine, fapping is fine, even multiple times per day. Feeling bad about yourself because of porn and/or fapping is problematic. That's why quitting "works" for a lot of people. But that's like fasting to avoid indigestion; it throws the baby out with the bathwater.

well, keep telling yourself that.

Try to quit for 90 days and see how you feel.

Then go back to masturbation.

Tell me you don't get it.

It is a life changer, not to masturbate.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

well, keep telling yourself that.

Try to quit for 90 days and see how you feel.

Then go back to masturbation.

Tell me you don't get it.

It is a life changer, not to masturbate.

90 days? LOL! What the hell? I couldn't make it a week if I tried as hard as I possibly could. Going a day without it is annoying to the point where I can't be a productive member of society the next day and so on until I let loose. Masturbation is awesome, with or without porn. I think people who go more than a few days without masturbating/having sex have either very poor libidos, very unhealthy (or religious) attitudes towards sexuality, or both.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Well you are very wrong. People from many parts of the world don't even have a word for it in their language. It isn't so great. Partner sex is totally different.

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

Well you are very wrong.

On what point? Masturbating is fun, it feels great, relieves stress, etc. And the older I get, the better it gets.

People from many parts of the world don't even have a word for it in their language.

That's strange if true but not really relevant.

It isn't so great. Partner sex is totally different.

Partner sex has its pluses and minuses, but again, I'm not sure how it's relevant to the point that masturbation is awesome. Sure, people abstain from it and feel bad about doing it, just like people abstain from eating sugar and feel bad about eating sugary foods.

 

[Dopamine]

"substitutions for sexual satisfaction are by no means harmless; they dispose a person to the numerous forms of neurosis and psychosis that are conditional upon the reversion of the subject's sexual life to its infantile forms. Moreover, masturbation in no way meets the ideal requirements of civilized sexual morality and therefore drives young people into the very conflicts with the educational ideal that they sought to escape through abstinence. It also corrupts the character through indulgence in more ways than one; first, it teaches people to reach significant goals without expending any effort, by taking the easy route rather than committing all their energies to the task (that is in accordance with the principle that sexuality sets the pattern); secondly, by raising the sexual object in the fantasies accompanying the satisfaction to a degree of excellence that is not easily rediscovered in reality." -Sigmund Freud

"The re absorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits (for example, among the Brahmins)." -Nietzsche

Sublimation (German: Sublimierung) is the process of transforming libido into "socially useful" achievements, including artistic, cultural and intellectual pursuits.

 

[mujuro]

Wow, lots of misinformation and religious sounding nonsense in this thread. Nofap and YourBrianOnPorn are complete pseudoscience. Porn is fine, fapping is fine, even multiple times per day. Feeling bad about yourself because of porn and/or fapping is problematic. That's why quitting "works" for a lot of people. But that's like fasting to avoid indigestion; it throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Caffeine and aspirin are fine too. The distinction illustrated here in this thread is that some people struggle to moderate things that may be harmless or beneficial WHEN used in moderation.

"substitutions for sexual satisfaction are by no means harmless; they dispose a person to the numerous forms of neurosis and psychosis that are conditional upon the reversion of the subject's sexual life to its infantile forms.

The term infantile is key here. No deeper interpretation of the word is required. I just finished reading Passionate Marriage by David Schnarch and he also made many references to Freud's described "infantile" mode of sexuality when talking about the "sensate" form of intimacy that dominates popular culture i.e. focusing on the sensations rather than the union or the connection between two people. You can't say that people who seek out only brief sexual encounters with multiple partners are doing it wrong, but they certainly aren't utilizing the potential of our uniquely human brain and the incredible intimacy it can facilitate. Most adults already know that there is an experiential difference implied between the terms "f-ing" and "making love".

 

[jaakkima]

OP - I don't know your details but sounds like a health issue - anything that opposes estrogen, maybe androgens, pregnenolone is an easy thing to start with. I take a gram at a time every couple days. Stimulating your mind with lots of meaning helps not to relapse but I've been there, where you're not healthy enough to not be overly horny. I disagree with people telling you to just stop it. When you have these issues, just not masturbating is often not an option til you figure your ***t out, and it could be harmful.

 

[mt_dreams]

I am interested if you did a detailed analysis of the difference in life b/w when you were doing it once a week, and 5 times a day?
how were the following markers; stress, sleep, nourishment, sociability, activeness, etc. Once or twice a week seems like a nice pace, and nothing that should be scrutinized by pushers of a specific dogma. Find out what what was different
in your life when you were only doing it once a week, and try to implement that on a more consistent basis.

some cultures may not have a word for masturbation, but they've got a term for men who have sex with goats ... which would you prefer?

If mineral depletion is an issue, there are ways around this that actually end up being beneficial as well. It would seem from the Nietzsche quote, that he either didn't think of this, or was too caught up in his own ideologies to
put this into place. masturbate, but don't ejaculate. eventually you will be able to have orgasms (that are 10 times better) without the loss of fluid, and have a rock hard pelvic floor which has a host of other health benefits.
most peoples pelvic floor is undeveloped due to the fact that we sit instead of squatting for most of the day. The experience I have when I masturbate is more of a shake/tremor therapy for the whole body, rather than a quick fluid release.

From a peat perspective, if you have the will power to stop eating certain foods that were once pleasurable (but you now know are unhealthy choices), you have the same kind of will power to moderate this activity as well.

 

[DaveFoster]

What helped me is spirituality. Becoming more spiritual occurs when you improve your metabolism, and your mindset; the two go hand in hand.

Meditation and religion may help you. Coming into alignment with the innate intelligence of exiting, and finding your purpose will bring you away from wasting your "vital essence," as they say in the East. Try directing that energy by grasping control of your mind. Try meditating for 30 minutes/day and thinking about an object. Focus your intention on that object, and don't let it deviate. If it does, bring it back.

 

[ecstatichamster]

the best thing honestly is to find a girlfriend you can not only have sex with, but do a lot of naked cuddling. That satiates the brain's need to masturbate pretty well. It's tougher if you're single, but the best thing is avoiding fantasy and porn. It can be done, and it makes it MUCH easier.

The benefits are a lot more energy, better workouts, more attraction from women, more attraction TO women, more assertive and authoritative, more mental clarity...

 

[Travis]

There are hormones in dairy that give me boners.

Stay away from boner food if you are worried about it. Everytime you eat standard cow dairy you are getting the hormones from a pregnant cow since they milk them during unnatural times.

 

[michael94]

Healthy libido should not make you want to masturbate. That feeling of if I don't let out some juice I'm going to explode is oxidative stress in the testes imo. There are probably also pathogens that attack the reproductive system that go crazy when you eat certain foods. Testes have a special immune response to not allow for imflammation cascade, so that may be related but I wouldn't know.

 

[ecstatichamster]

My libido has been falling and I am suspecting a lot of dairy. Interesting @Travis

 

[Hitoshi]

yourbrainonporn.com

use mucuna pruriens in the AM

youre searching for dopamine

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

the best thing honestly is to find a girlfriend you can not only have sex with, but do a lot of naked cuddling. That satiates the brain's need to masturbate pretty well. It's tougher if you're single, but the best thing is avoiding fantasy and porn. It can be done, and it makes it MUCH easier

This is too funny. Cuddling? As a straight male, I'm sorry, but uh...that's not gonna do it for me. I've gotta be blunt because you seem in need of a biology lesson: I'm hardwired to shoot my load into as many different females as possible during the time I'm alive. That's not to say modern western society encourages such behavior. In fact, it's very much frowned upon. Luckily, porn, fantasy, and masturbation are perfect outlets.

The benefits are a lot more energy, better workouts, more attraction from women, more attraction TO women, more assertive and authoritative, more mental clarity

The "benefits" you're describing sound great if you're trying to be the world's biggest meathead. More assertive? More authoritative? Yeah because that's really what this world needs...WTF?

 

[ecstatichamster]

i didn't say not have sex. I said sex AND cuddling. Straight males don't like to cuddle? So you just shoot your load, get up and find another girl? Sounds like a great life, LOL. Something may be missing...

Sex focused on orgasm is itself a poor substitute for sex that is centered on pleasure and that can go on and on and on...orgasm also produces an aftermath that is especially destructive to men, especially as we get older but even when we hit 30. Many men are so busy ejaculating every day they never realize how far down the rabbit hole they really are.

And there are very few studies on this, but self experimentation is easy.

 

[michael94]

Blame circumcision for that

 

[Dessert_All_Day]

i didn't say not have sex. I said sex AND cuddling. Straight males don't like to cuddle? So you just shoot your load, get up and find another girl? Sounds like a great life, LOL. Something may be missing...

Whether the womanizing lifestyle is a "great life" nowadays depends on the individual. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not the most fulfilling life from a sexuality standpoint. And we have good reason to believe that for much of human history, "shooting one's load, getting up, and finding another girl" was, believe it or not, a fine evolutionary strategy.

Sex focused on orgasm is itself a poor substitute for sex that is centered on pleasure and that can go on and on and on...orgasm also produces an aftermath that is especially destructive to men

That's what feminists want you to think

 

[mt_dreams]

And we have good reason to believe that for much of human history, "shooting one's load, getting up, and finding another girl" was, believe it or not, a fine evolutionary strategy.

shooting one's load, getting up, and finding another girl is a fantasy brought on by the id whom clearly has some sort of issue be it with the collection of amusement, desire of status, or something along those lines. evolution doesn't work like that. other primates have the strongest males mating with the females, male tigers stay around long enough to make sure their offspring don't get killed by the next dude in town, and lions stick around usually for quite some time. I would imagine male humans through history at least stuck around to make sure the child was born . Seeing as how tribes were not all that big, there wasn't this shooting your seed into every living female like your fantasy seems to be alluding to ... that is unless you were the dominant breeding partner, and you had a job to do.

imo continual quick flings are almost as extreme as over masturbation. sure they have different positive & negative effects, but being engulfed long term in these kinds of practices will shape your brain no matter how much you deny it. I have no problem with people going either of these routes, just don't make it seem like it's something to be striving for.

perhaps men who have lots of one night stands are lone wolfs, while people who can tolerate all the other experiences of bodily interactions are in a state of looking for communion, something that is happening when cuddling/hugging/holding hands etc, is taking place. anybody who has watched russell peter's, may remember the joke about male indians who hold pinkies while they go for a walk. I doubt they do this b/c they are trying to shoo away flies.

 

[luke gadget]

I started when I was 13 or so, and did it multiple times a day, like you. It very slowly tapered over years and now - I'm almost 60 - it's like once a week. Sometimes more or less.

As far as I can tell it has had ZERO negative impact on my physical or mental health - or happiness - and did not harm my relationships in any way.

If I could go back in time and give my younger self advice I'd say "don't waste your time worrying about it - it's normal and it's fine"

It's probably good advice to keep up with certain nutrients - zinc is key and I'm sure there's more advice in the thread.

But naming it an addiction is not helpful. Nor is guilt or feeling out of control. It's normal and pleasurable and fine. It's even possible that "use it or lose it" applies here; doing it over and over keeps the body remembering 'how' to do it.

Re porn, it wasn't as accessible 'back then' haha. But I certainly indulged when it became available. As far as I can tell it's had no impact on my sexuality or relationships - it's enhanced them if anything. Maybe because I'm super clear it's not 'real'; it's like glossy marketing - or maybe a shiny sex toy. Nice to visit and use but don't want or need to live there.

I think the thing that also kept me on earth is that I never linked the experience of masturbation or porn to the real experience of relationship and connection. I always notice that no matter how pleasurable it is, it's missing the Thing - that deep and multidimensional emotionality - that another person brings to the experience.