Any Supplements/ Dietary Advice To Overcome Long Term Masturbation/porn Addiction?

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I think diet and lifestyle are definitely also a factor in the length of the flatline. Let's be honest, most people on reddit aren't really living healthy lives.



I think you're definitely on to something with oxytocin in regards to a a long term solution.
I still think that a reboot like I described above is necessary for someone who has been excessively masturbating to porn for many years. Just my personal experience, but from what I've read online I definitely wasn't alone here: After years of daily masturbation to porn, you simply can't get proper, hard erections anymore during sex, even if you reduce the amount you masturbate. Only abstaining from all sexual activity for several weeks will restore it. At least in my personal experience.

My other theory on how excessive masturbation causes erectile dysfunction is that if a person excessively forces ejaculation for a long period of time while having an unhealthy diet/lifestyle their prolactin will be chronically very high and metabolism will lower in response eventually decreasing DHT. And prolactin won't come down very fast without help once serotonin is also high. Not ejaculating for a very long time might work, but probably not if DHT doesn't start being produced again to healthy levels. Perhaps why the Nofap community notices a flatline.

So if strength training, sun, and adequate food aren't enough to restore libido, then DHT/DHEA supplementation would probably greatly speed up the recovery of normal erectile function by decreasing prolactin, serotonin and estrogen.
 
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Great posts Brian. Let me ask you something : what's your strenghth training routine like? Like... How many times per week and how much time per session... I want to do some strenght training (last time it was 10 years ago) but I really find gyms depressing. Maybe I can start with my own qeight? Like push ups and stuff. I still remember half a dozen exercises to strenghthen legs, chest and arms and back muscles without dumbells or equipment.

Would love to hear your opinion on that.
 

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My other theory on NoFap stuff is that if a person excessively forces ejaculation for a long period of time while having an unhealthy diet/lifestyle their prolactin will be chronically very high and metabolism will lower eventually decreasing DHT. And prolactin won't come down very fast without help once serotonin is also high. Not ejaculating for a very long time might work, but probably not if DHT doesn't start being produced again to healthy levels. Perhaps why the Nofap community notices a flatline.

So if strength training, sun, and adequate food aren't enough to restore libido, then DHT/DHEA supplementation would probably greatly speed up the recovery of a normal libido by decreasing prolactin, serotonin and estrogen.

For someone who does not want to supplement DHT/DHEA, do you think strength training + creatine supplementation (to raise DHT) might be enough to significantly reduce the reboot time (maybe even completely eliminate the flatline?)
 

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For someone who does not want to supplement DHT/DHEA, do you think strength training + creatine supplementation (to raise DHT) might be enough to significantly reduce the reboot time (maybe even completely eliminate the flatline?)

I don't have any experience with creatine, but I would recommend focusing more on strength training + high calories + zinc intake and magnesium supplementation if you don't want want to mess with pro-hormones. Something like Pansterone is pretty cheap and effective though in my experience, but you definitely need to combine it with sun, training, and good food to get results.
 

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Great posts Brian. Let me ask you something : what's your strenghth training routine like? Like... How many times per week and how much time per session... I want to do some strenght training (last time it was 10 years ago) but I really find gyms depressing. Maybe I can start with my own qeight? Like push ups and stuff. I still remember half a dozen exercises to strenghthen legs, chest and arms and back muscles without dumbells or equipment.

Would love to hear your opinion on that.
Not Brian, but as someone who has been working out at home for 2 years with some decent success (20kg gained):
As a natural trainee your routine will always be centered around the big compound lifts:
Squat, Deadlift, Row, Press, Bench Press
3x /week full body routine will work best at the beginning, either something like Starting Strength or what I really like is this one: The WeighTrainer - Beginners: Practical Starting Routines for The Drug-Free Trainee

You can do all of that with a squat rack, bench + barbell at home. No need for fancy machines. Not a big fan of the bodyweight stuff to be honest though. It's very hard to linearly progress this way
 
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I don't have any experience with creatine, but I would recommend focusing more on strength training + high calories + zinc intake and magnesium supplementation if you don't want want to mess with pro-hormones. Something like Pansterone is pretty cheap and effective though in my experience, but you definitely need to combine it with sun, training, and good food to get results.
Definitely agree on the magnesium. Magnesium Bicarbonate + b6 + sunshine = insanely high libido for me.
 

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Great posts Brian. Let me ask you something : what's your strenghth training routine like? Like... How many times per week and how much time per session... I want to do some strenght training (last time it was 10 years ago) but I really find gyms depressing. Maybe I can start with my own qeight? Like push ups and stuff. I still remember half a dozen exercises to strenghthen legs, chest and arms and back muscles without dumbells or equipment.

Would love to hear your opinion on that.

I hate gyms too. I've been doing a simple bodyweight exercise routine at home consistently for a long time with good results. Just simple progressions of bodyweight squats, handstand pushups, dips, and pullups. Eventually working up to the hardest one leg and weighted versions. All you need is a pull up bar and maybe two chairs to work on assisted dips in the beginning.

I usually do one to two warm up set on an easier resistance then try a set that pushes my limits, with at least a few minutes between sets.

I find this is enough to stimulate metabolism and androgens.
 
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When i was a teenager i was about 3 months without masturbating/ejaculating. After the 3 months i started to have wet dreams. Then i started to "leak" when i was awake with an erection. Then slowly i started to "leak" even without an erection. My penis was super sensitive and it became a huge burden for me. I felt gross all the time. I started to get quite depressed because of it. My penis was messed up for years. Nowadays i consider my penis to function normally. Peating has been the key i think.

I'm not sure if it was the not ejaculating for too long as a teen that caused my problems, but it definitely started it. Bad diet/hormonal issues being the key i think.

Went to the doctor two times because of it. The first said "Oh it's normal, it'll go away!", the second gave me SSRIs.
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I think that if you want to have an aid in not masturbating, then ritanserin would help, or low dose naltrexone. I am experimenting with ritanserin and I find that it really removes the dopamine drive for compulsive behaviors. I think it's kind of incredible. I don't masturbate at all, nor want to, but other compulsive behaviors are easier to overcome with it I think.
 

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Man thanks for this timely post!
I have been stressing for years about trying to stop this compulsive behaviour.
I'm 31, I've been doing it compulsively since I was 12 as a coping mechanism to unbearable stress (after my mother was murdered for profit by chemo and radiation).

I began applying ray peat dietary principles about 3 years ago, but just this year began taking thyroid, progesterone, aspirin, vitamin E, etc. and other supplements to further assist in a situation where I think diet wasn't enough. I feel a lot better and notice many postive changes like improved brain function, energy, etc.

Nonetheless, stopping feels impossible. I do it about 3 times per day and/or until my nuts are sore. I wake up in the morning and sometimes can't even get out of bed without fapping, and sometimes before bed it just happens and I feel powerless. I drink a couple litres of milk per day, lots of oj, juice, cheese, oysters & seafood once a week, I really work hard at staying away from foods that are undigestable and when I do eat them I make sure to shovel down some carrot fibers with coconut oil and vinegar on them after to keep things as sterile as possible down there. I feel like I'm doing everything right and still feel powerless.

This 'addiction' is getting in the way of my relationship with my girlfriend because lately I end up not being horny for sex with her. Not good at all! I ******* hate it!
It's like a constant source of shame and guilt. I feel like I'm doing everything right and still feel powerless.
 

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So It seems that excessive fapping may be indicative of high estrogen and also leads to chronically elevated prolactin. Maybe a prolactin blood test wouldn't be a bad idea- it will give you an idea of both estrogen and serotonin activity at the tissue level: https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/prolactin-is-a-good-metric-for-serotonin-and-estrogen-levels.3594/
That makes sense, alphas don't really fap much, they go after real a**. So icing on the cake is they go after knockouts rather than simple girls.
 

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The forceful avoidance of porn or material that would spark the impulse doesn't seem like a long term solution to me. Maybe as a therapeutic tactic to get the ball rolling - boost in confidence to get you out the door and into the gym, into the clubs, on to Tinder, etc. A bipolar friend of mine moved out of the city to remove herself from the party culture (drugs). After a year she felt comfortable enough going back, and sure enough she was doing coke every night again. In her truest moments, she didn't actually WANT to stop doing drugs, she just wanted to mitigate the damage it was having on her life. I can remember a time when I was like that. It was only until I was happy with my life that I truly desired to be sober, even when I was surrounded by drugs. If we invoke the "Rat Park" hypothesis of addiction, OP needs to start by getting a life. Easier said than done of course.

EDIT - I don't like this "alpha" nonsense either. It legitimizes everything that is toxic about sex in popular culture. It reduces human sex to a behavior not dissimilar from primate or pack-animal mating. It carries a connotation that being alpha is bliss, that men should dig no deeper than their desires to put their penis inside attractive women - as many as possible - and thrust away. Our latest evolutionary gift is our giant neocortex which allows us to engage in a level of intimacy that no other species on the planet is capable of. I spent a few years in bodybuilding, so I've had a few friends who did their rounds in the clubs and spent enough nights with enough women to forget at least some of their names. Most guys would prescribe the title of "alpha" but they were anything but, if you had seen their inner workings like I did, and this kind of intimacy dries up pretty darn quickly once it becomes monogamous.
 
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Great info @Meatbag thanks!

@mujuro I also think the alpha/beta thing is absolutely stupid, reductionist and harmful. Very sad. No offense to the ones that use that idea but to the idea itself.

Another case of stupid maniqueism "good vs bad" stuff that is so trendy in the blogosphere.
 

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Source for that claim?

What am I, your librarian? :lol:

Zinc, magnesium and calcium in human seminal fluid: relations to other semen parameters and fertility

or from wikipedia

Semen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"A review of 30 studies concluded that the average was around 3.4 milliliters (ml), with some studies finding amounts as high as 5.0 ml or as low as 2.3 ml."

Assuming the 3.4ml standard cited above, and looking at the first link and the chart it provides, someone with their zinc semen levels on the high side (187mg/L) could have 0.6358mg of zinc in 3.4ml of semen. If they had a higher volume of semen @ 5ml as well as a high level of zinc, it could go as high as 0.935mg. That's like 11-12% of the RDA for women! :shock: (I told my wife and she was suspicious of why I was telling her this...)

That wikipedia page lists the average though at 0.561 mg

Men with low zinc levels in their seminal fluid are more likely to be infertile. Also interesting is that lead and cadmium can find its way into semen and men with higher levels of these have been found to be infertile.
 
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Wow, lots of misinformation and religious sounding nonsense in this thread. Nofap and YourBrianOnPorn are complete pseudoscience. Porn is fine, fapping is fine, even multiple times per day. Feeling bad about yourself because of porn and/or fapping is problematic. That's why quitting "works" for a lot of people. But that's like fasting to avoid indigestion; it throws the baby out with the bathwater.
 

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