There Are No Giant Conspiracies

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  1. BehcetsBoy

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    For some reason people have it in their heads that there is some elite group of people out there who come together and control the world. The Illuminati or whatever you want to call it.

    I think this is just stupid and over complicated. The world can be much better explained when you apply occam's razor and look at individual human motivation.

    All corruption and incompetence starts at an individual level.

    Did some corrupt law just get passed? It's not because some elites got together and decided they want more control and power, it's more likely because this one congressman wanted a new pool in his backyard using that sweet lobbying money, or because this other congressman has invested in some business that stands to profit with this new law. None of them really thinking of some huge conspiratorial picture, they just wanted a new swimming pool or some quick cash.

    Promotion of junk and crappy food because the Illuminati want the world's people sick and docile? No, its because this one guy really wants to have some side income so he invests into starting a Mcdonald's franchise. He doesn't care that humanity is becoming weaker, or the obesity rate is climbing. As long as he makes his $8-10K per month which let's him pay his mortgage and feed his family, he's happy. Then more and more individuals buy franchises cause they want the same thing.

    Oh prescriptions must be some big pharmaceutical conspiracy designed to control the masses. Not really, its individual doctors and sales reps who just want to make their income. As long as this one scientist can develop something that kindof works, he gets his paycheck that lets him take a trip with his wife. Then if this sales rep can convince doctors to prescribe it, he gets his commission which lets him pay this month's car payments. Then if this doctor sees enough patients, he gets to buy that BMW he's been eyeing. Where's the CEO in all this? Probably some workaholic with a crazy ego who wants his multi million dollar bonus for hitting the revenue goals.

    The point is, all this bull**** in the world can be explained by individual motivations, and for some 'elite' to rule the world and control everything is crazy complicated. The amount of work and time it would take to control everything that happens is insane. The world is so much bigger than you can imagine.
     
  2. raysputin

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    Yea some guy just wanted to collect his insurance policy so he flew some planes into a building. All for that Maui vacation with his wife.
     
  3. Colin Nordstrom

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    Apparently you don’t know how cartels work, or mob families, or secret societies, or The Divine Right of Kings, the list goes on and on. Do humans act individually in their own self-interest? Absolutely. But to say groups like the Trilateral Commission or the Council on Foreign Relations or the Bilderberg Group don’t exist is silly. Humans and families join together to further their interests. You can even look within the Rockefeller family going way back to the Standard Oil days and later with how that family controlled the AMA to destroy holistic medicine.

    I get what you’re trying to say. You’re not totally wrong, but Socialism and Communism can’t exist with the individual only. There is a compartmentalized hierarchy at play, where the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. That’s how you pull off an Oklahoma City or 9/11.

    you think “individuals” can control the NSA or the CIA? Read the book by John Perkins or Smedley Butler. That isn’t conspiracy. That’s how ***t rolls in the Military Industrial Complex. Drug and gun running, the federal militarization of local police, the Ford Foundation creating the compulsory school indoctrination centers (read John Taylor Gatto’s book), the Bill and Melinda Gates African vaccination programs, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, the creation of the Federal Reserve at Jekyll Island, on and on.

    do you feel the President of the United States has real power? If you do, then I would implore you to read some more. I got out of that rabbit hole a few years back. Why? Because the hole gets deeper and deeper and you just want to throw your hand up and lay down. But you can’t. I know I’m a slave, but I will fight for the remaining civil liberties that still exist. The American founders knew all this ***t was coming. Presidents are selected to carry out an agenda. You leave the script, you get a Kennedy bullet.

    I would also look into Stanley Kubrick, his role with NASA, how he exposed them in The Shining, and how he exposed the elite in Eyes Wide Shut. He “died” during the film’s editing. From what I understand there was about 20 minutes omitted because it exposed too much. I think it drove Tom Cruise into the Scientology cult.

    I don’t claim to have any answers, you might be right. Who knows. I just have questions, many questions that will never be answered. And I’m ok with that. My main focus is to make the world better, be compassionate, and not act like a slave.
     
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  5. Colin Nordstrom

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    Or you could get into Jung’s collective unconscious or Sheldrake’s morphogenetic resonance. Nothing is a coincidence.

     
  6. LeeLemonoil

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    Applying Occam’s razor to arbitrary phenomena doesn’t work.

    I apply Occam to your OP:
    The poster is scared there might be forced at play he can’t understand or influence - but they influence how life massively. What’s the easiest thing to do:
    Deny
     
  7. Colin Nordstrom

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    I think it’s all about what energy you want to tap into. I choose positive energies. Others choose more sinister energies. Check out this interview with Eminem and Tyson. These guys got exposed to beauty and crazy dirty ***t and saw what fame and materialism can do to the individual. Evil begets evil; just as beauty begets beauty. The universe pushes us to do what’s right, unfortunately our authoritarian masters confuse us and make us chase and want stupid ***t, to the point where we crush others to get it.

     
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    They also organize specific events to keep people into "constant tension" as one CIA director called it and also make sure to disrupt or even kill high-profile promoters of good. The latter is done not so much to weed out the do-gooders but to confuse the population and entrench the perception that life is ABSURD (existentialism) and "bad things happen to good people" all the time and that pursuing any urge other than self-interest is pointless because...well, life is pointless (according to them). These groups would not hesitate to murder on a whim even the head of the UN if they perceive him/her as a person influencing people on a large scale towards decency.
    Dag Hammarskjöld - Wikipedia
    "...The circumstances of the crash are still unclear. A 1962 Rhodesian inquiry concluded that pilot error was to blame, while a later UN investigation could not determine the cause of the crash.[32] There is evidence suggesting the plane was shot down.[33][34][35] A CIA report claimed the KGB was responsible.[36] The day after the crash, former U.S. President Harry Truman commented that Hammarskjöld "was on the point of getting something done when they killed him. Notice that I said 'when they killed him'."[36] In 1998, documents surfaced suggesting CIA, MI6, and/or Belgian mining interest involvement via a South African paramilitary organization. The information was contained in a file from the South African National Intelligence Agency turned over to the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission in relation to the 1993 assassination of Chris Hani, leader of the South African Communist Party. These documents included an alleged plot to "remove" Hammarskjöld and contained a supposed statement from CIA director Allen Dulles that "Dag is becoming troublesome … and should be removed."
     
  9. Inaut

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    I think the most obvious form of the conspiracy is our food supply and how useless ***t/endocrine disruptors/estrogenic compounds are added to our food for no real reason or necessity. If you don't think that's part of an overarching conspiracy then put your head in the same and wait for the the tide to come in ;)
    @op
     
  10. Ableton

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    actually, believing in conspiracies correlates with ignorance towards networks and network theory. When you talk about individuals wanting the same thing you need to realize that individual motivations have the capicity to create opaque power networks. In their least opaque materialization think about lobbyism, not the illuminati or anything. More often than not they will not have any institutionalized form though, yet they still exist and have power. If you are interested in that read "the square and the tower" by niall ferguson. Read on network theory, particulary ANT if you want to understand thinking in conspiracies. Not that I don't believe in any myself, but making a conspiracy (aka small group of people PLANNING something) out of EVERYTHING is quite laughable when you get an idea how networks form and function
     
  11. Amarsh213

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    Very plebby worldview, You want to believe that as it makes things much less scary, you can't imagine control structure since you don't control your own life.



    @Colin Nordstrom

    Colin Nordstroms analysis much closer.

    Cartels,Oligopolies, foundations, think tanks.

    Sure, their are factions but the entire structure is very very top down.

    Secret Society->Business Round Table->CEOs->Corporations

    Board of Directors

    Look at the leader of strongest business lobby, he is control structure 101, and tells tim cook/ jamie dimon waht to do.
     
  12. thomas00

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    Conspiracy theories are just the new religion. Frustratingly, a lot of them obscure action against actual crimes that are going in front of people's eyes.

    You'll notice they are mainly popular among people who have little to no exposure to the critiques provided by anarchists, socialists and communists (their conservative social programming doesn't allow for it). Having no grounding in a coherent analysis of power within a system lets people to drift off into delusional fantasies.
     
  13. Waynish

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    Because you say so? Pathetic! This actually reads as "I understand the world and it must work the way I believe or else I will feel uncomfortable." The unfortunate thing is not being able to admit your insecurity. Admit you know very little about the world - then you have a chance of actually learning more.
     
  14. sugarisgreat

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    It is not a new religion. It is the oldest and only religion.
    Conspiracy is a Bible word (KJV in English).
    The true conspiracy (by Satan and those influenced by him) is against God, His creation, His Son, His church, His people, His doctrine, His Scripture.
     
  15. tankasnowgod

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    I call them the United Nations, seeing as that's the name they've given themselves.
     
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    This is also not true. The push to demonize saturated fat and promote vegetable oils was a top down effort, and was implemented over the objections of doctors, scientists, nutritionists, and researchers at the time. I guess maybe you could still say it was an individual effort, but if that individual holds a title of say, the Head of the USDA, well, then they can use their authority in a top down manner to corrupt an entire system.
     
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    Agreed 100%
     
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    I believe rich and powerful people will do whatever they can to increase their personal gain with little regard for how it affects the common man, but in most cases the their understanding of the world does not extend beyond knowing how to personally profit from it, and the evil conspiracies that people see are simply unforeseen consequences of their narrow-sighted hunt for personal gain. They do not have the intelligence or foresight to enact the kind of grand evil master mind plots that conspiracy nuts like to conjure up. That is simply a byproduct of the desire of the human mind to see patterns in everything.

    You could say some "conspiracy"-like activity is an emergent phenomena of when a group of people all stand to personally gain from the same event occurring, so they all unconsciously work towards it even though there is no real conscious collaboration going on, no one is pulling the strings.
     
  20. Colin Nordstrom

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    Collden, what you stated is a conspiracy. All you need is a couple people together to conspire for personal gain. That is the definition of conspiracy.
     
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