Super bloated belly since childhood

[Vins7]

Hum... so bad posture could be causing the poor digestion in the first place? I do notice that, when I'm very bloated( I get a lot of fluid retention when I sleep too little), keeping good posture is almost impossible, because contracting your lower abdominal muscles( to move the pelvic region forward, where it should be) is uncomfortable, it feels like they're stretching too much. Contracting the abs when bloated also prevents proper belly breathing in my experience .

I agree, It still seems to form a vicious cycle, in which bad digestion leads to poor posture, and poor posture causes bad digestion. The solution maybe is to eat what doesn't give you any bloating for a while until you can fix your posture for good?

I wonder too why some people can have bad posture and still have a flat belly. I know of a few singers who visibly have bad posture( round shoulders, forward neck), and still maintain a very flat belly. I noticed that singing while bloated severely reduces the amount of air the lungs can hold, making throat strain and more frequent breathing more common.

Sleeping or just laying on a flat surface is interesting. I'll try it out.


Very true. People usually look down on losing water weight, saying they "didn't lose fat, it was just water", but just losing fluid can have a dramatic effect, and, although people do want to lose fat, I think it is easy to underestimate how much difference edema can make. It's not fat, but, appearance- wise, it makes the person look fat( and it's very uncomfortable in the gut), and if people realized this, they would see water weight loss much more favorably.


Warning for TMI, but I used to see some weird stuff in the toilet after my number 2. They looked like worms, but I can't be sure they were actually parasites. Maybe it's one of those elusive ropeworms that people report seeing.

I took albendazole many years ago( probably half decade at this point), but it didn't seem to do much for bloating. Maybe I didn't take it long enough? I remember I was scared of liver damage from taking it, that's why I didn't use it for very long( less than a week I think). Do you think it's worth trying again?

I heard of people using a combination of herbs( black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves) to treat parasites. Hans himself took it and said his belly was much flatter after it. Do you have any experience with this combination, or with any pharmaceutical medications for treating these critters?


That's a good point about the volume. Eating a pound or two of fatty meat a day would be all one would eat if they were on the carnivore diet. Compare that with eating a lower fat diet, especially with no refined carbs. Easily 6+ pounds of food per day.

Same with regards to ingesting water. I immediately bloat up in the belly area. More corroboration that fluid retention may well be the most likely explanation for the issue. Now I have more body fat, so I can't see my abs anymore, but even 2 or 3 years ago, when I could, underneath the muscles there was clearly a lot of bloating.

I'm definitely not against bloating being caused by poor posture, but it seems that every time I fast a little bit( especially after having a bowel movement), my bloating goes down and I naturally tilt my pelvis forward while walking. I think I only slouch because it's tiresome to keep a good posture while carrying a huge distension in the central area of the body. I'm willing to try to fix it to see if my gut improves though. Maybe that's the way out.

 

[Vins7]

Hum... so bad posture could be causing the poor digestion in the first place? I do notice that, when I'm very bloated( I get a lot of fluid retention when I sleep too little), keeping good posture is almost impossible, because contracting your lower abdominal muscles( to move the pelvic region forward, where it should be) is uncomfortable, it feels like they're stretching too much. Contracting the abs when bloated also prevents proper belly breathing in my experience .

I agree, It still seems to form a vicious cycle, in which bad digestion leads to poor posture, and poor posture causes bad digestion. The solution maybe is to eat what doesn't give you any bloating for a while until you can fix your posture for good?

I wonder too why some people can have bad posture and still have a flat belly. I know of a few singers who visibly have bad posture( round shoulders, forward neck), and still maintain a very flat belly. I noticed that singing while bloated severely reduces the amount of air the lungs can hold, making throat strain and more frequent breathing more common.

Sleeping or just laying on a flat surface is interesting. I'll try it out.


Very true. People usually look down on losing water weight, saying they "didn't lose fat, it was just water", but just losing fluid can have a dramatic effect, and, although people do want to lose fat, I think it is easy to underestimate how much difference edema can make. It's not fat, but, appearance- wise, it makes the person look fat( and it's very uncomfortable in the gut), and if people realized this, they would see water weight loss much more favorably.


Warning for TMI, but I used to see some weird stuff in the toilet after my number 2. They looked like worms, but I can't be sure they were actually parasites. Maybe it's one of those elusive ropeworms that people report seeing.

I took albendazole many years ago( probably half decade at this point), but it didn't seem to do much for bloating. Maybe I didn't take it long enough? I remember I was scared of liver damage from taking it, that's why I didn't use it for very long( less than a week I think). Do you think it's worth trying again?

I heard of people using a combination of herbs( black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves) to treat parasites. Hans himself took it and said his belly was much flatter after it. Do you have any experience with this combination, or with any pharmaceutical medications for treating these critters?


That's a good point about the volume. Eating a pound or two of fatty meat a day would be all one would eat if they were on the carnivore diet. Compare that with eating a lower fat diet, especially with no refined carbs. Easily 6+ pounds of food per day.

Same with regards to ingesting water. I immediately bloat up in the belly area. More corroboration that fluid retention may well be the most likely explanation for the issue. Now I have more body fat, so I can't see my abs anymore, but even 2 or 3 years ago, when I could, underneath the muscles there was clearly a lot of bloating.

I'm definitely not against bloating being caused by poor posture, but it seems that every time I fast a little bit( especially after having a bowel movement), my bloating goes down and I naturally tilt my pelvis forward while walking. I think I only slouch because it's tiresome to keep a good posture while carrying a huge distension in the central area of the body. I'm willing to try to fix it to see if my gut improves though. Maybe that's the way out.

My problem with eating more fat and meat for getting more calories with less volumen is that my total colesterol is 260 and my LDL is high too, so i'm a bit afraid of increasing my consumption of fats and foods of animal origin in general...

 

[PolishSun]

could be pellagra.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Would a liquid diet (milk-based) be better or worse for us with bloating and endotoxin issues?

 

[Sergey]

Sergeys proposal in keeping the terrain hostile in the places where we shouldn't have to many of thoose makes sense. But what is causing it? Why is it for some people getting that bad in the first place? Afterall we are all subjected to thoose things.

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Have you guys thought about mechanical obstruction causing it? Muscles/Fascia/Scar tissue disrupting the organs causing less bile or stomache acid to flow/be excreted which then translates to an overwhelming from thoose organisms as a result from it which then leads to inflammation/lack of nutrients which then downspirals into a decrease of metabolic/hormonal function which then again is the reason why one does not get better?

Maybe Rei was right when it came to postural damage afterall ...




I for example identified 3-4 spots (Hernia? Triggerpoint?) trough deep thumb massaging of my entire abdomen. Pressure on thoose feel very rewarding but can also feel like pain radianting down towards the pelvic floor or it can feel like fluid/gas moving which funnily enough leads instantly to saliva production/increase in libido. Certain stretches/excercises affecting the abdomen/hip specifically also seem to directly, positively influence my stomache and bloowdflow to the head.

Since i cannot seem to figure out how to go about this i'll may try to contact an physiotheraphist/osteopath with an open mind and a long history of expertise. The last 3 days i tried to sleep on the floor as a few excercises for a few mins a day does not seem to be enough to fix this properly. It feels oddly satisfying, altough not comfortable. The body defenietly seems to do some postural work laying on such a hard surface.

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It is probably not the most popular view on this forum, but I think one of the reasons why people get all those things is that we are eating too much these days. There are many reasons why fasting was and still is an important part in many cultures and religions.
We were not exposed to those easily digestible stuff all year around many years ago, and food itself was not so abundant, but probably of higher quality. These issues, which often correspond to the TCM concept of Phlegm and Dampness, are issues of abundance. On nutritional level TCM would start treating them by removing dairy, excluding red meat for some time completely, limiting overall protein intake etc, excluding sugary foods etc. Approach not particularly popular here, I know.

In my case I do see a clear connection between these issues and facsial/muscular tension. I spent quite some time trying to get it fixed from that end and consulted some great physicians/manual therapists/chiropractors. They agreed that I had issues, but one one was able to "correct" them using "physical" treatments. One guy who is arguably the best manual therapist in Moscow who specialises on neck/head issues and teaches all that in medical university for many years, told me that they do see a clear connection between frequent sore throats and fascial issues in C0/C1/C2, as far as I remember. That was my case, and he was able to help me at the time mostly with methods of Traditional Chinese Medicine. He did a lot of moxibustion to "expel cold from my ears". I then continued it on my own. At the time the effect was almost miraculous, I got tinnitus a year and a half earlier (due to chiropractic treatment) and it was the first time the noise subsided and then disappeared altogether. I started to look at TCM and their models in more details and had to implement many changes accordingly.

These days I still see that fascia/bugs connection, and while its probably bidirectional, I never get lasting relief from physical changes. However I do see almost instantaneous improvements in my posture/neck tension/fibro etc when I, for example, dissolve some lactobacillus probiotics in my mouth every 10 minutes for an hour or so. Or dissolve some antifungals such as SF722, or drink boiled ginger or take "phlegm resolving" herbs such as coptis, scutellaria, and the like.

Low intensity long aerobic exercises are very helpful too, but I can't do much at the moment unfortunately.

Some non nutritional triggers could be EMFs (the more I look at it, the more important they seem) and poor indoor air quality. Measure air ions concentration indoor and its almost zero when windows are closed, and most people spend their day behind those double glazed things. I notice quick improvements in my nose throat after turning on ionisers and other devices which play with similar concepts. Similar improvement I see in green areas, especially close to trees.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

could be pellagra.

I notice great stomach acid production from taking niacin( but not niacinamide). My scalp seems to need high doses of b3 to produce hair normally.

Would a liquid diet (milk-based) be better or worse for us with bloating and endotoxin issues?

It depends on what the problem is. Forum member tca300 solved his bloating by switching to a nearly milk- only diet. A lot of people on the forum, on the other hand, get bloating and constipation (therefore increased endotoxin) from milk.

Also, if the organism can't deal with water very well( ascites would be a symptom of the organism losing control over it's own water structure, going from gel- like to liquid), then a liquid based diet could increase the bloating even more.

 

[Vins7]

It is probably not the most popular view on this forum, but I think one of the reasons why people get all those things is that we are eating too much these days. There are many reasons why fasting was and still is an important part in many cultures and religions.
We were not exposed to those easily digestible stuff all year around many years ago, and food itself was not so abundant, but probably of higher quality. These issues, which often correspond to the TCM concept of Phlegm and Dampness, are issues of abundance. On nutritional level TCM would start treating them by removing dairy, excluding red meat for some time completely, limiting overall protein intake etc, excluding sugary foods etc. Approach not particularly popular here, I know.

In my case I do see a clear connection between these issues and facsial/muscular tension. I spent quite some time trying to get it fixed from that end and consulted some great physicians/manual therapists/chiropractors. They agreed that I had issues, but one one was able to "correct" them using "physical" treatments. One guy who is arguably the best manual therapist in Moscow who specialises on neck/head issues and teaches all that in medical university for many years, told me that they do see a clear connection between frequent sore throats and fascial issues in C0/C1/C2, as far as I remember. That was my case, and he was able to help me at the time mostly with methods of Traditional Chinese Medicine. He did a lot of moxibustion to "expel cold from my ears". I then continued it on my own. At the time the effect was almost miraculous, I got tinnitus a year and a half earlier (due to chiropractic treatment) and it was the first time the noise subsided and then disappeared altogether. I started to look at TCM and their models in more details and had to implement many changes accordingly.

These days I still see that fascia/bugs connection, and while its probably bidirectional, I never get lasting relief from physical changes. However I do see almost instantaneous improvements in my posture/neck tension/fibro etc when I, for example, dissolve some lactobacillus probiotics in my mouth every 10 minutes for an hour or so. Or dissolve some antifungals such as SF722, or drink boiled ginger or take "phlegm resolving" herbs such as coptis, scutellaria, and the like.

Low intensity long aerobic exercises are very helpful too, but I can't do much at the moment unfortunately.

Some non nutritional triggers could be EMFs (the more I look at it, the more important they seem) and poor indoor air quality. Measure air ions concentration indoor and its almost zero when windows are closed, and most people spend their day behind those double glazed things. I notice quick improvements in my nose throat after turning on ionisers and other devices which play with similar concepts. Similar improvement I see in green areas, especially close to trees.

Do you say that these are signs of abundance but if a person with low weight/energy/nutrition is suffering them?

 

[Sergey]

Do you say that these are signs of abundance but if a person with low weight/energy/nutrition is suffering them?

I didn't say a person was in a great health. These issues to me are a sign of weakness, not strength.
I meant abundance in some different way, abundance of "empty" stuff, inability to process all that is supplied. Like overfertilizing a garden when tomatoes die and weeds take over. And that simply providing more nutrition could just exasperate the issue, not resolve it.

 

[tankasnowgod]

My problem with eating more fat and meat for getting more calories with less volumen is that my total colesterol is 260 and my LDL is high too,

Too high based on what?

You do know cholesterol is a protective substance, right? And that meat really doesn't have that much cholesterol anyway? And that diet generally doesn't affect cholesterol levels?

If you want to lower those levels safely, you could always take thyroid.

 

[Ben.]

It is probably not the most popular view on this forum, but I think one of the reasons why people get all those things is that we are eating too much these days. There are many reasons why fasting was and still is an important part in many cultures and religions.
We were not exposed to those easily digestible stuff all year around many years ago, and food itself was not so abundant, but probably of higher quality. These issues, which often correspond to the TCM concept of Phlegm and Dampness, are issues of abundance. On nutritional level TCM would start treating them by removing dairy, excluding red meat for some time completely, limiting overall protein intake etc, excluding sugary foods etc. Approach not particularly popular here, I know.

In my case I do see a clear connection between these issues and facsial/muscular tension. I spent quite some time trying to get it fixed from that end and consulted some great physicians/manual therapists/chiropractors. They agreed that I had issues, but one one was able to "correct" them using "physical" treatments. One guy who is arguably the best manual therapist in Moscow who specialises on neck/head issues and teaches all that in medical university for many years, told me that they do see a clear connection between frequent sore throats and fascial issues in C0/C1/C2, as far as I remember. That was my case, and he was able to help me at the time mostly with methods of Traditional Chinese Medicine. He did a lot of moxibustion to "expel cold from my ears". I then continued it on my own. At the time the effect was almost miraculous, I got tinnitus a year and a half earlier (due to chiropractic treatment) and it was the first time the noise subsided and then disappeared altogether. I started to look at TCM and their models in more details and had to implement many changes accordingly.

To be honest i can not realy afford eating less. I tried that approach and it leads to more cold hand/feets, weak hair and other malnutrition symptoms. Tho i can see benefits in using our mechanisms to deal with stressors like hunger or giving our digestive track a break (althought sleep usually takes care of that imo).
Cutting out dairy/red meat made things actually worse for me but i guess health issues are indivdual.

I was able to identify my hyperacusis to be related to my spine, specifically the neck and lower back region (altough it is interconnected if we look at the fascia/tensigrity models). My Tinnitus started after getting braces messing up my jaw and i suffer from this until today.
Do you mind sharing what kind of stuff you did exactly for it to dissapear? Was it "just" the moxibustion? And you did this on your own? Perhaps you can point me in a direction which i seem to not have tried yet.

These days I still see that fascia/bugs connection, and while its probably bidirectional, I never get lasting relief from physical changes. However I do see almost instantaneous improvements in my posture/neck tension/fibro etc when I, for example, dissolve some lactobacillus probiotics in my mouth every 10 minutes for an hour or so. Or dissolve some antifungals such as SF722, or drink boiled ginger or take "phlegm resolving" herbs such as coptis, scutellaria, and the like.

Low intensity long aerobic exercises are very helpful too, but I can't do much at the moment unfortunately.

Some non nutritional triggers could be EMFs (the more I look at it, the more important they seem) and poor indoor air quality. Measure air ions concentration indoor and its almost zero when windows are closed, and most people spend their day behind those double glazed things. I notice quick improvements in my nose throat after turning on ionisers and other devices which play with similar concepts. Similar improvement I see in green areas, especially close to trees.

bidirectional would be my experience, your input realy resonates with what i went/go trough.

I am going back and forth in antifungals/antiparasitic treatments helping, then they dont and the same goes for physical interventions. I see alot of value in approaching the issue on all 4 fronts: Diet, Digestion, fixing the musculoskeletal system and using supplements/meds that either kill or supply bugs.

Laying on a different surface than you are used to creates the ground work by statically affecting the lines of tension, this results in realignment when you change position. It's kind of like long-term gentle stretching that makes the whole a bit more receptive to manipulation by movement. By having introspection and actively participating in the movements you will amplify the effectiveness/how much change can happen immensely and it looks something like this:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WysHRgQFIlo
But if you are a restless sleeper and move around much during the night you know 1: you have enough energy reserves to do some work not only deep sleep 2: your body is using great effort trying to restore posture. Setting up a video camera and film yourself over the night can teach you a lot.

The snapping is when highly stressed lines of tension realign, but most of the time it is much subtler. Every layer of injury is usually one main snap, and then much work to realign the fascial network around the new "center of balance". Once it is balanced, the next "snap" is free to happen, and then again a process of subtler realigning which feel like you describe.

Yes, sleep has a very important restorative role, also in posture.

Well i tried sleeping/resting on the hard floor again the past 2 days and my bodys reaction is incredible. Hard to put in words. It realy feels like the hard surfaces forces certain muscles/tissue stiffness to release. The only issue is, i seem to at some point to reach a point where i am "working" on a spot that is related to a serious sport injury which messes up my bloodflow/nerve signaling to the head or arms. It is not that bad when im awake and concious because i can adjust, but two times it woke me up and i felt realy wierd either in the head or numb in the arms.

One of the Dr. Berg videos you linked with massaging the abdomen is super helpfull/useful. We "talked" about myofascial release before but wether it is this TRE video you just linked (which seems to work more with utilizing tremors) while the Barns videos seem to utilize more stretching/feeling into it, are still two things i can't seem to get right/wrap my head around. But i guess what i am doing may aswell already be/work in this direction anyway.

Some deep psoas stretches (realy takes alot of work/feeling or breathing into it) for instance resulted in incredibly warm ears ... on both sides, left leg left ear, right leg right ear. Kind of funny ... Felt incredibly good. Got to keep doing these things. Habits man ...

Either way, thank you. Your input from almost a year ago but also now is realy helpful to me.

 

[rei]

To be honest i can not realy afford eating less. I tried that approach and it leads to more cold hand/feets, weak hair and other malnutrition symptoms. Tho i can see benefits in using our mechanisms to deal with stressors like hunger or giving our digestive track a break (althought sleep usually takes care of that imo).
Cutting out dairy/red meat made things actually worse for me but i guess health issues are indivdual.

I was able to identify my hyperacusis to be related to my spine, specifically the neck and lower back region (altough it is interconnected if we look at the fascia/tensigrity models). My Tinnitus started after getting braces messing up my jaw and i suffer from this until today.
Do you mind sharing what kind of stuff you did exactly for it to dissapear? Was it "just" the moxibustion? And you did this on your own? Perhaps you can point me in a direction which i seem to not have tried yet.




bidirectional would be my experience, your input realy resonates with what i went/go trough.

I am going back and forth in antifungals/antiparasitic treatments helping, then they dont and the same goes for physical interventions. I see alot of value in approaching the issue on all 4 fronts: Diet, Digestion, fixing the musculoskeletal system and using supplements/meds that either kill or supply bugs.



Well i tried sleeping/resting on the hard floor again the past 2 days and my bodys reaction is incredible. Hard to put in words. It realy feels like the hard surfaces forces certain muscles/tissue stiffness to release. The only issue is, i seem to at some point to reach a point where i am "working" on a spot that is related to a serious sport injury which messes up my bloodflow/nerve signaling to the head or arms. It is not that bad when im awake and concious because i can adjust, but two times it woke me up and i felt realy wierd either in the head or numb in the arms.

One of the Dr. Berg videos you linked with massaging the abdomen is super helpfull/useful. We "talked" about myofascial release before but wether it is this TRE video you just linked (which seems to work more with utilizing tremors) while the Barns videos seem to utilize more stretching/feeling into it, are still two things i can't seem to get right/wrap my head around. But i guess what i am doing may aswell already be/work in this direction anyway.

Some deep psoas stretches (realy takes alot of work/feeling or breathing into it) for instance resulted in incredibly warm ears ... on both sides, left leg left ear, right leg right ear. Kind of funny ... Felt incredibly good. Got to keep doing these things. Habits man ...

Either way, thank you. Your input from almost a year ago but also now is realy helpful to me.

The barnes video and this are ultimately the same thing. Think of one stretching movement in the barnes video being equivalent to one shiver in the one where the guy lays on the floor. See what i wrote in previous message about the snapping. When you stretch you are more likely to achieve a "snap" to unlock a new center of balance. But after that there is a whole lot of "shifting the hand inside the glove" before the next injury can be accessed. The barnes thing is more like searching for the correct posture and movement to find the injury to snap, while the guy laying on the ground is doing the after-work to realign to arrive at the point where he can do the barnes method to find the next injury to "snap". It's not this black and white and in both modes you can achieve both, but maybe by thinking about the differences you might get some intuitition of what i'm trying to convey.

Listen to the narration in the video i linked, the layers, the balance. It might look retarded and what he says might sound like woo, but i can attest to him truly knowing what he is talking about and it is on point. The fascia is layered like an onion, and certain movements allows to shift one layer relative to another, and doing this movement tens of times allows to finally shift the whole tension line. In the end this can only be known by experiencing and feeling it in yourself, almost impossible to describe.

 

[TheBeard]

I didn't say a person was in a great health. These issues to me are a sign of weakness, not strength.
I meant abundance in some different way, abundance of "empty" stuff, inability to process all that is supplied. Like overfertilizing a garden when tomatoes die and weeds take over. And that simply providing more nutrition could just exasperate the issue, not resolve it.

Exacerbate.

 

[Vins7]

Too high based on what?

You do know cholesterol is a protective substance, right? And that meat really doesn't have that much cholesterol anyway? And that diet generally doesn't affect cholesterol levels?

If you want to lower those levels safely, you could always take thyroid.

My doctor only prescribe me Eutirox (t4), I can't get t3...

 

[Riesensackteil]

Contracting the abs when bloated also prevents proper belly breathing in my experience .

Are you activating abs constantly when you are walking?

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Are you activating abs constantly when you are walking?

When I'm less bloated, I find that I tend to constantly contract my lower abs while walking, yes.

 

[Riesensackteil]

When I'm less bloated, I find that I tend to constantly contract my lower abs while walking, yes.

I never do this and I am not really able to either. Bloated belly since I can remember

 

[Ben.]

The barnes video and this are ultimately the same thing. Think of one stretching movement in the barnes video being equivalent to one shiver in the one where the guy lays on the floor. See what i wrote in previous message about the snapping. When you stretch you are more likely to achieve a "snap" to unlock a new center of balance. But after that there is a whole lot of "shifting the hand inside the glove" before the next injury can be accessed. The barnes thing is more like searching for the correct posture and movement to find the injury to snap, while the guy laying on the ground is doing the after-work to realign to arrive at the point where he can do the barnes method to find the next injury to "snap". It's not this black and white and in both modes you can achieve both, but maybe by thinking about the differences you might get some intuitition of what i'm trying to convey.

Listen to the narration in the video i linked, the layers, the balance. It might look retarded and what he says might sound like woo, but i can attest to him truly knowing what he is talking about and it is on point. The fascia is layered like an onion, and certain movements allows to shift one layer relative to another, and doing this movement tens of times allows to finally shift the whole tension line. In the end this can only be known by experiencing and feeling it in yourself, almost impossible to describe.

Doing this actively along with abdominal excercises seem to do something but i feel like i am still in a to analytical/excercise kind of mentality when doing this and i remember you saying that it requires "meditating into it".

As i mentioned before lying on the floor and do the stuff you explained is good, but what i found to be way more effective in my case is actually falling asleep/loosing conciousness while lying on the hard surface. In the transition state where i fall asleep or wake up again i feel muscles relax in places that i couldn'T fix for years, snapping in the ear, regaining heat and connectivity to my forearms/hands, feeling blood flow on my head/sclap/face but also on the backside of my hip, random bonders, internally in my head/neck there seems to be some slime/mucus releasing, hurtful spot in my chest is pumping/releasing something, my bite/jaw seem to correct itself and my digestion has improved the past days. As i said before the body seems to work insanely there.

I managed to fall asleep on the floor once for 3 hours yday and my hair quality was of the charts and my face looked revitalized/younger after waking up.

One unpleasant thing to this "therapy" seems to be my body realy working intensely during sleep, i "woke up" a couple of times feeling like i was reliving/going trough some serious emotional stress/trauma. Felt like i was in sever distress/panick and it was realy exhausting. Forced me to go back to the comfy bed. Is this normal? I may try the tremor thing. It is actually incredible discovering your own body/responses like that.

The problem that i seem to have is the day to day stuff like standing, walking, working, cooking etc. still reverts or trowhbacks the postural work im doing. As in: it seems to take a looooong time to establish a new baseline. Like i am floating inbetween two seperate stable constructs, irritating my tensigrity. Also i am very tired troughout the day this week. If it is realy emotional/trauma along with postural damage that im working on here than that would explain this. If i had to describe my energy levels/mental state, i feel the same way i did when i was 14-15 years old ... ughhh

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Needless to say this approach seems to be the right track. No supplement or dietary change comes even close to this ... wouldn't believe it if i didn't experience it.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

My doctor only prescribe me Eutirox (t4), I can't get t3...

Where are you from? Try getting Tiromel.
T3 is not available in my country either, but I managed to get ahold of T3.

 

[rei]

Doing this actively along with abdominal excercises seem to do something but i feel like i am still in a to analytical/excercise kind of mentality when doing this and i remember you saying that it requires "meditating into it".

As i mentioned before lying on the floor and do the stuff you explained is good, but what i found to be way more effective in my case is actually falling asleep/loosing conciousness while lying on the hard surface. In the transition state where i fall asleep or wake up again i feel muscles relax in places that i couldn'T fix for years, snapping in the ear, regaining heat and connectivity to my forearms/hands, feeling blood flow on my head/sclap/face but also on the backside of my hip, random bonders, internally in my head/neck there seems to be some slime/mucus releasing, hurtful spot in my chest is pumping/releasing something, my bite/jaw seem to correct itself and my digestion has improved the past days. As i said before the body seems to work insanely there.

I managed to fall asleep on the floor once for 3 hours yday and my hair quality was of the charts and my face looked revitalized/younger after waking up.

One unpleasant thing to this "therapy" seems to be my body realy working intensely during sleep, i "woke up" a couple of times feeling like i was reliving/going trough some serious emotional stress/trauma. Felt like i was in sever distress/panick and it was realy exhausting. Forced me to go back to the comfy bed. Is this normal? I may try the tremor thing. It is actually incredible discovering your own body/responses like that.

The problem that i seem to have is the day to day stuff like standing, walking, working, cooking etc. still reverts or trowhbacks the postural work im doing. As in: it seems to take a looooong time to establish a new baseline. Like i am floating inbetween two seperate stable constructs, irritating my tensigrity. Also i am very tired troughout the day this week. If it is realy emotional/trauma along with postural damage that im working on here than that would explain this. If i had to describe my energy levels/mental state, i feel the same way i did when i was 14-15 years old ... ughhh

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Needless to say this approach seems to be the right track. No supplement or dietary change comes even close to this ... wouldn't believe it if i didn't experience it.

That emotional release thing is in fact mentioned in several unwinding videos on youtube, i laughed at it when i first heard it, but soon it started happening to me, and for me it can be a sudden flash of a mental image from the event that caused the injury, accompanied by the feeling that you had back when it happened. So for instance if you were terrified, adrenaline pumping in your blood because your car is sliding on the snow and you realize you are going to crash, and it causes an injury you will feel that terror when the injury is released. A few times i even had a clear sense of the smell of the situation (i was waterskiing, and falling hard, tumbling on top of the water before going under pushing the salty sea water up my nostrils etc.)

 

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To be honest i can not realy afford eating less. I tried that approach and it leads to more cold hand/feets, weak hair and other malnutrition symptoms. Tho i can see benefits in using our mechanisms to deal with stressors like hunger or giving our digestive track a break (althought sleep usually takes care of that imo).
Cutting out dairy/red meat made things actually worse for me but i guess health issues are indivdual.

I was able to identify my hyperacusis to be related to my spine, specifically the neck and lower back region (altough it is interconnected if we look at the fascia/tensigrity models). My Tinnitus started after getting braces messing up my jaw and i suffer from this until today.
Do you mind sharing what kind of stuff you did exactly for it to dissapear? Was it "just" the moxibustion? And you did this on your own? Perhaps you can point me in a direction which i seem to not have tried yet.

Yeah, the story was a bit longer than "just" a moxibustion, but it was a turning point.
First I have tried to get help in Europe for around a year. Neurologists, ENTs, chiro, physio, acupuncture - all useless. I was offered a pill with radio built-in to distract me from the noise when I fall asleep. And I was told I "need to learn to cope with it". All tests were normal.
Then I went to Moscow and booked a consultation with otoneurologist (or neuroENT as they are sometimes called) and that's when everything started to move.
He did some tests, the most important one being electrocochleography, which shown some kind of swelling in the inner ear. Diagnosis was "labyrinthine hydrops", which is, once again, sort of fluid retention in the inner ear. Otoneurologist gave me some recommendations (potassium up, sodium down, no excess carbs to keep fluid retention under control, avoiding any strain and even massage on the neck/upper back, very very very gentle head movements as "exercise" for the area) and he also referred me to the manual therapist. In Russia its a bit different system and at least in the past they have to be medical doctors first before being trained as manual therapists. The guy I was referred to was neurologist as well.
He first asked me about any dental treatments in the past 12-15 months and said it was the most typical cause for this kind of stuff. Others being whiplash-like injuries, and not even injuries, but just sudden stop of a car when head goes forward-backward in a fraction of a second and person forgets about it shortly after. I didn't have dental work prior to that, but had a chiro treatment which started all that.
He was then examining mostly upper vertabrae - C0-C1-C2. Said I did have some kind of "block" there. He did something to release it - there was a pop sound and some movements, but it was very different from chiro. He said one should never go to chiro or any similar "hard" techniques. In subsequent sessions he started doing moxa on my ears and also navel. As I mentioned earlier, first moxa session gave me instant relief from the noise, first time in more than a year it was all quiet.
Couple of days ago noise came back, and then slow improvement phase started. I had to fly back home (not in Russia at that time) and continued to do moxa by myself. I also found that gentle heating massage of the neck with warming creams was very helpful. I used those creams with snake poison, not sure if they are available in EU/ES, should be. After talking to that guy about what the heck that moxa was about I read a lot about Chinese and Tibetan medicines and started to implement those principles. Changed what I ate - from mostly "cold" to mostly "warm" foods, avoiding winds - I lived in a very windy Norway near sea coast then and wind is the kind of causative force for these issues in TCM. As a side effect of changing my food habits I lost 10 kilos in a month then without any dieting, had to buy all the new smaller clothes. The shift was so dramatic and visible to others, even though I was probably eating even more than before.
Went back to otoneurologist and manual therapy guy in about 6 months, repeated elecrtochochleography, there was clear improbement, but issue was still present. Oto gave me a course of acetazolamide and cinnarizine. I took the pills, they were somewhat helpful, while I was taking them (about a month), but not sure about their effect long term. Went to manual therapy guy again, he repeated the "unblocking" and said that to his surprise the issue kind of came back, even though my muscles reacted very well initially.
Went home again, moxas, food, proper exercise again - noise gradually going down. Went back to docs in 6 months - cochleography even better, though still not perfect. One round again, back in 6 months - all normal. Noise went down. Since then it has been an issue which would bother me when I get super stressed and tense. Several years later, when noise went up for about 2 months after I have been through significant stress and I got scared that its all coming back, I went to neuroENT in London Harley street and he was very proud that his clinic was one of the few offering electrocochleography in Europe. He mentioned also that from my description the one I was getting in Moscow was better and less invasive, I believe it was some high end machine made in the US. That neuroENT despite all his diplomas couldn't say what's going on (or what was going on before), took 1k worth of useless blood tests and told me that tinnitus is sometimes caused by vitamin D deficiency. Noise went down when I stopped stressing and started to once again be more mindful about what and how I eat.
There has been one thing however which was not properly understood. As I mentioned, neurologist in Russia said that despite great initial reactions my muscles and fascia keep tightening on the right at the C0/C1 level. He told me to check with dentists if some filling could cause it, though it was impossible to find a dentist who would bother about that. My bite is very bad, and have been like that since I was a child, and that guy said that I should think twice before doing any adjustments. His logic was that I somehow adapted to all this and when teeth will start moving no one can predict what's the final result will be. Still, even for him, teeth and improper filling didn't explain why structural issue keeps coming back. He also said that he sees clear correlation between sore throats and this kind of fascial tension, but for him tension was the root cause, not the throat infection.
Next few years I wasn't doing much specifically for ears/neck, but I found a surprisingly effective was to remove neck and shoulder tension. I discovered what is call "active rest position" or Pete Egoscue psoas release techniques. You basically get psoas into a position where it is neither stretched nor tense and after 20-30 minutes it lets go of lots of accumulated tension. And then whole fascial line going from hips to the neck relaxed. These exercises are so great that if I don't do them a day or two I feel lots of tension built up everywhere.
After doing this for a year or two regularly (I didn't need any motivation to do that, they just feel great), I went to that neurologist/manual therapist and, to our surprise, he said that my neck was all fine. Seen him couple of years later - still good.
The only issue then was that exercise didn't fix the problem, they were just symptom management. Only several years later I started to connect the dots between my constant sore throats as a child, frequent herpes eruptions on my lips, kind of lump in the neck on the right side (been there forever), receding gums, and then tension and tinnitus. Now its clear that some kind of background infection (I think its candida plus herpes, but its a long story why I think so), causes fascial tension, then fluid build up, then tinnitus. These days its much easier for me to be tension-free in my neck and shoulders by controlling and outgrowing whatever infection is there in the mouth and oesophagus. If tension builds up, it takes some few capsules of antifungals (sf722, propolis etc) dissloved slowly in the mouth, to get a relief I'd usually get from 30 minutes psoas exercise. I see a clear connection between this tension and food I eat and multiple other symptoms, such as tissues swelling, general feeling of sluggishness etc. I read some time ago that endotoxins cause muscle tension, so in a way its not surprising that infection, or dysbiosis, would cause local tension which then propagates to nearby areas. As I mentioned earlier, no physical therapist, or massage therapist, or chiro, etc etc could do anything with this neck/shoulder tension, though each gave me "tension of the year" award.

With regards to what you (and I) said about food, eating less or more, that's not that simple. I didn't mean one should simply eat less or fast and get healthy immediately. Long fasting, for example, would generate "inner wind" in TCM and is not recommended. I don't fast often. I was just saying that system needs some kind of balance, and not simply increased flow of nutrients, and that excess can be as harmful as deficiency. Red receding gums, for instance, with some other symptoms, which include tension in the facial muscles, could be a sign of "stomach heat" in TCM and red meat and otherwise dense food would aggravate it, so it is temporarily avoided. Food composition has dramatic effect of microbiome and just eating less or more for some time can change bugs profile. Fasting promotes growth of many species, while others are inhibited. So, while there will be some cortisol and stress while fasting, net long term effect might be beneficial.
For many years I was much into vitamins, minerals, supplementing, adjusting what my body does, as if I was smarter. Things were definitely "helping" but I had to constantly supply lots of things otherwise I'd crash. Even half a year ago I could not imaging not taking coenzymated B1 three times daily, B2 daily, magnesium baths daily, not eating tons or red meat etc. All that went away and now I don't feel any difference if I take vitamins or not (I actually do feel some, but its negative). I can't know what is good for you, but sometimes it might be good to changed some habits if you are stuck and no progress is made.