Spicy Foods? What's The Consensus?

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  1. ScurveDream

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    Don't see too much on the forums here regarding capsicum/capsaicin or "hot" foods like chilis, peppers, sauces, etc.

    Aside from maybe some indigestion or heartburn, spicy stuff generally isn't something I've noticed to have any big negative effect.

    What about long term? Daily use? Some cultures down endless spicy stuff regularly and don't have gut issues or serious health issues over years usually. But some people really seem to get messed up from a little hot foods and get sick and stuff.

    Does Ray Peat weigh in on this?

    Would be good to know more of the pros/cons/etc. spelled out better. I'm eating spicy sardines now.
     
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    Right?! You always hear about spicy foods making people sweat, in the most generic contexts imaginable— but nobody ever says that here.
     
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    I've only sweat when maybe eating ghost pepper chips (years back). But I think that is expected -- ghost peppers are one of the hottest peppers in the world.

    I also felt like it was burning my insides. But casually eating ghost peppers is an insane undertaking for many.

    I don't sweat with normal or lighter spicy foods like jalapeños or etc. Still would like to know more about it though and from good sources/studies but not sure where to find any.

    I have heard good things like spicy foods helping metabolism a pinch or fighting infection/disease (I think -- not sure though).
     
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    I enjoy spicy food from time to time. It's not something I would overthink personally.
     
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    -Chili/Hot Peppers contain Capsaicin increases Ca-influx in the cell, which is bad.

    -Black Pepper slows down the CYP450 system in liver, as does grapefruit, so black pepper is pro-estrogenic.

    -Bell Peppers/Sweet peppers lack capsaicin so they are safe.

    -Paprika, which is made from bell peppers is basically dry bell pepper powder and is not spicy.

    -Cumin and Black Cumin/Nigella Sativa is somewhat spicy but doesn't have the downsides of Capsaicin or Black Pepper.

    -Garlic is also spicy. If you mix garlic and cumin you can get a decent (not perfect) replacement for the other 2 spices.


    Basically all the arguments people make against aspirin - that it induces GI bleeding/gut irritation are actually what Capsaicin does. Capsaicin increases mucus in the intestines as a protective mechanism to vacate it from the bowels.


    (As an aside, I LOVE hot chilis/chili powder/jalapenos/Sriracha sauce/etc. I still consume them but less than I used to, because there is no doubt that they irritate the GI tract.)
     
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    Garan masala is supposed to heat you up. Any way chemical composition of even one type of a spice is complex. We are talking about mixes of many of them, cooking and interactions with other ingridients like fruits and veggies. Naturally found enzyme inhibitors makes it even more complex. Unpredictably chaotic interactions.
     
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    Gingerol is closely related to capsaicin. My favourite spice (and cinnamon but that’s not related in this discussing)
     
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    Well, regarding the stuff I've heard on spicy foods + longevity and/or health, there's this:

    Consumption of spicy foods and total and cause specific mortality: population based cohort study

    BBC NEWS | Health | How spicy foods can kill cancers


    Not really 100% for me, but it at least shows there can be some effect from it in some cases possibly. It seems some studies show correlations with spicy stuff (capsaicin-stuff in particular) in regular diets can supposedly help or are at least not highly-related to mortality causes because they're correlated with large-scale populations & lack of mortality rates of all causes, but also link consumption of capsaicin-foods to heightened chances of other cancers.

    For example this contradicting one that likens high spicy food intake with increased chances of gastric/stomach cancers, I think:

    High Spicy Food Intake and Risk of Cancer: A Meta-analysis of Case–control Studies

    And of course -- all of this aside -- some articles/studies/etc. link spicy food consumption with supposed immune health/disease-resistance, but that seems pretty questionable on what "immune health" even really means when you look deeper in to the subject.
     
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    I'm thinking about garam masala potato diet with coconut oil.
     
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    Sounds good. I like potatoes, but the starches may be problematic with a lot of regular consumption normally (same with bananas, pastas, etc.).

    As for spicy foods/spices, I'd say it's probably good to stick with some more than others. I used to supplement with garlic extract and used oregano even for tooth pain and it worked somewhat in the past. Definitely considering oregano oil + more garlic supplementation again. I'll be wary with really hot/spicy foods more though.
     
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