Progesterone may help quitting smoking

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A very interesting article, on a topic that has been studied for decades but has not seen much mainstream media exposure mostly because it does not fit the narrative. Namely, that "addictions", including smoking, are mostly genetically determined and not much can be done about them except manage the cravings and steer the person into some form of medication and/or "therapy" to modify their behavior away from "addictive" triggers. Of course, none of that has any basis in reality and, as I mentioned above, research as early as the beginning of the 20th century demonstrated that at least when it comes to smoking, the "addiction" is heavily influenced by hormones. Observational studies demonstrated time and again that smoking cravings abate during the week when women are having their periods, and often disappear completely during pregnancy. Both of those periods are characterized with high progesterone synthesis (especially pregnancy) and thus high progesterone/estrogen ratios. Speaking of estrogens, studies later in the 20th century demonstrated that synthetic estrogens such as DES exacerbated addictive behaviors such as smoking and in some cases even cause people to pick up smoking anew. The knowledge of the neurological effects of those steroids was not advanced enough at that time to explain how progesterone may work against addiction and estrogen for it. More recent studies demonstrate that the cholinergic system is heavily involved in "addiction", and that progesterone is an antagonist on cholinergic receptors while estrogen is an agonist. Nicotine, the primary "addictive" substance in tobacco, is actually the main naturally occurring agonist of the cholinergic receptors and, in fact, a subset of those receptors is called just that - "nicotinic acetylcholine receptors". Other anticholinergic steroids include pregnenolone, DHEA, and some androgens. Pharma drugs with anticholinergic effects include the Benadryl (diphenhydramine), cyproheptadine, the tricyclic antidepressants, and various muscarinic antagonists used clinically as an anti-dote to poisoning/overdose with cholinergic substances. Btw, the anti-addiction effects of progesterone and other anticholinergic substances are not limited to smoking. There is multitude of studies demonstrating benefits of progesterone in virtually all types of addiction, including opioid, cocaine, amphetamine, anti-anxiety drugs, etc. I suspect this is due to the central role the cholinergic system plays in depression, as described by Dr. Peat in one of his articles. Namely, most people with "addiction" are in a very stressed state, likely experiencing depression due to the overactive cholinergic system. Blocking the cholinergic system alleviates their stress/depression and they simply do not need to abuse those substances any more - i.e. a direct echo of the findings of the great Rat Park experiment from the 1970s that still gives nightmare to the entire addiction treatment industry.
Oh, I almost forgot about the actual study:): It was with humans and demonstrated that female smokers had 40% higher chance of quitting smoking during the week of high progesterone compared to any period throughout the study.

Characterization of salivary progesterone in female smokers - PubMed
Timing smoking cessation attempts with hormone levels could improve success

"...Progesterone is a steroid hormone, or chemical messenger, found in the bodies of both men and women, but it is present at higher levels in women and is released in the second half of the menstrual cycle. Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) researchers Nathaniel Baker, M.S., and Michael Saladin, Ph.D., have been studying progesterone’s effect on women who are trying to quit for almost eight years. In 2015, they published a paper noting the connection between the hormone and smoking cessation success, and they found that, specifically, the use of a nicotine patch alongside naturally occurring increases in progesterone levels over the course of a week led to a 37% increase in the odds of achieving abstinence. "

"...“What we found in that study,” said Baker, “was that it wasn’t necessarily high progesterone, but it was high and increasing that affected abstinence.”...Saladin said the aim of this study wasn’t to recruit participants who wanted to quit during the trial but to look at their hormone fluctuations, as well as their cigarette smoking fluctuations, and compare those results with what they already knew about serum levels. “What we found was so interesting,” he said. “When a woman’s progesterone level was increasing from a low level, she smoked fewer cigarettes per day without even knowing it or trying to. But that effect on smoking behavior eventually levels off. When progesterone peaks in a woman’s cycle, it’s very high. The benefits plateau.” He noted that the biggest finding is that quitting success comes from the low to high increase, which can help with timing a woman’s cessation attempt with her hormone cycle."
 

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I can attest to this! Have bin using it for the past 3 weeks since i stoped using nicotin. Take it in the evening (between 30-100 mg progest e) and it always calms the abstinence.
 

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A very interesting article, on a topic that has been studied for decades but has not seen much mainstream media exposure mostly because it does not fit the narrative. Namely, that "addictions", including smoking, are mostly genetically determined and not much can be done about them except manage the cravings and steer the person into some form of medication and/or "therapy" to modify their behavior away from "addictive" triggers. Of course, none of that has any basis in reality and, as I mentioned above, research as early as the beginning of the 20th century demonstrated that at least when it comes to smoking, the "addiction" is heavily influenced by hormones. Observational studies demonstrated time and again that smoking cravings abate during the week when women are having their periods, and often disappear completely during pregnancy. Both of those periods are characterized with high progesterone synthesis (especially pregnancy) and thus high progesterone/estrogen ratios. Speaking of estrogens, studies later in the 20th century demonstrated that synthetic estrogens such as DES exacerbated addictive behaviors such as smoking and in some cases even cause people to pick up smoking anew. The knowledge of the neurological effects of those steroids was not advanced enough at that time to explain how progesterone may work against addiction and estrogen for it. More recent studies demonstrate that the cholinergic system is heavily involved in "addiction", and that progesterone is an antagonist on cholinergic receptors while estrogen is an agonist. Nicotine, the primary "addictive" substance in tobacco, is actually the main naturally occurring agonist of the cholinergic receptors and, in fact, a subset of those receptors is called just that - "nicotinic acetylcholine receptors". Other anticholinergic steroids include pregnenolone, DHEA, and some androgens. Pharma drugs with anticholinergic effects include the Benadryl (diphenhydramine), cyproheptadine, the tricyclic antidepressants, and various muscarinic antagonists used clinically as an anti-dote to poisoning/overdose with cholinergic substances. Btw, the anti-addiction effects of progesterone and other anticholinergic substances are not limited to smoking. There is multitude of studies demonstrating benefits of progesterone in virtually all types of addiction, including opioid, cocaine, amphetamine, anti-anxiety drugs, etc. I suspect this is due to the central role the cholinergic system plays in depression, as described by Dr. Peat in one of his articles. Namely, most people with "addiction" are in a very stressed state, likely experiencing depression due to the overactive cholinergic system. Blocking the cholinergic system alleviates their stress/depression and they simply do not need to abuse those substances any more - i.e. a direct echo of the findings of the great Rat Park experiment from the 1970s that still gives nightmare to the entire addiction treatment industry.
Oh, I almost forgot about the actual study:): It was with humans and demonstrated that female smokers had 40% higher chance of quitting smoking during the week of high progesterone compared to any period throughout the study.

Characterization of salivary progesterone in female smokers - PubMed
Timing smoking cessation attempts with hormone levels could improve success

"...Progesterone is a steroid hormone, or chemical messenger, found in the bodies of both men and women, but it is present at higher levels in women and is released in the second half of the menstrual cycle. Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) researchers Nathaniel Baker, M.S., and Michael Saladin, Ph.D., have been studying progesterone’s effect on women who are trying to quit for almost eight years. In 2015, they published a paper noting the connection between the hormone and smoking cessation success, and they found that, specifically, the use of a nicotine patch alongside naturally occurring increases in progesterone levels over the course of a week led to a 37% increase in the odds of achieving abstinence. "

"...“What we found in that study,” said Baker, “was that it wasn’t necessarily high progesterone, but it was high and increasing that affected abstinence.”...Saladin said the aim of this study wasn’t to recruit participants who wanted to quit during the trial but to look at their hormone fluctuations, as well as their cigarette smoking fluctuations, and compare those results with what they already knew about serum levels. “What we found was so interesting,” he said. “When a woman’s progesterone level was increasing from a low level, she smoked fewer cigarettes per day without even knowing it or trying to. But that effect on smoking behavior eventually levels off. When progesterone peaks in a woman’s cycle, it’s very high. The benefits plateau.” He noted that the biggest finding is that quitting success comes from the low to high increase, which can help with timing a woman’s cessation attempt with her hormone cycle."
I mean, if its the estrogen and its negative effects on mood and well being driving people to smoke why not just smoke more since tobacco lowers estrogen ???? haha jk, but that is likely the reason that people smoke is for the aromatase inhibition, i never really crave tobacco but the only time i ever really feel like having a cigarette is after a long stressful day at work, walking home to unwind etc.

However, why couldnt someone just smoke more to control the estrogen? If they were using a targuard filter and more clean tobacco, is it because tobacco possibly in the long run increases baseline estrogen because of alot of the accumulated smoke toxins like tar etc? I know this sounds like a stupid question and the progesterone is the better answer but being that tobacco is a powerful aromatase inhibitor it would make sense to use it to bring estrogen under control but then theres the downsides and side effects that catch up with you if you use it for too long and too frequently,

I recently just purchased some reusable tar guard filters or as they were called in the old days cigarette holders, they look like some vintage 1950s mafia boss ***t, you stick your cigarette into it and smoke it through the extra filter, and it really captures alot of the bad stuff, and makes for a much cleaner puff, several people have told me the puffs taste much cleaner, lighter, more clear and not as intense when using my tar guard filter, just thought id share
 

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I can attest to this! Have bin using it for the past 3 weeks since i stoped using nicotin. Take it in the evening (between 30-100 mg progest e) and it always calms the abstinence.
Amazing! I've been really concerned about smoking, especially since I have been doing it at chain levels recently. I've been very stressed. I have been wanting to quit but I am concerned about thyroid. Can you advise in this regard? I'm so afraid my thyroid is going to crash if I stop, this fear is even driving me to smoke more than I want, since my intake increased a lot in past months, I'm afraid to even reduce that.

I have Progest E as well as Molecular Progesterone from Forefront Health that I reserve for topic use. I already take 30 drops of Progest E everyday in the second half of my cycle. I also started taking Vitex 4 months back, because I still had symptoms of high estorgen. Have you been using Progest E daily regardless of where you are in your cycle? (I'm assuming you're female because of the amount of progesterone you're ingesting) 😅🙏🏻🙏🏻
 
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I mean, if its the estrogen and its negative effects on mood and well being driving people to smoke why not just smoke more since tobacco lowers estrogen ???? haha jk, but that is likely the reason that people smoke is for the aromatase inhibition, i never really crave tobacco but the only time i ever really feel like having a cigarette is after a long stressful day at work, walking home to unwind etc.

However, why couldnt someone just smoke more to control the estrogen? If they were using a targuard filter and more clean tobacco, is it because tobacco possibly in the long run increases baseline estrogen because of alot of the accumulated smoke toxins like tar etc? I know this sounds like a stupid question and the progesterone is the better answer but being that tobacco is a powerful aromatase inhibitor it would make sense to use it to bring estrogen under control but then theres the downsides and side effects that catch up with you if you use it for too long and too frequently,

I recently just purchased some reusable tar guard filters or as they were called in the old days cigarette holders, they look like some vintage 1950s mafia boss ***t, you stick your cigarette into it and smoke it through the extra filter, and it really captures alot of the bad stuff, and makes for a much cleaner puff, several people have told me the puffs taste much cleaner, lighter, more clear and not as intense when using my tar guard filter, just thought id share
Thanks for sharing this. I use tolling tobacco, primarily a brand called Pueblo. It's additive-free and treated only with water. I buy really thin rolling paper from the brand Smoking, and recently switched to the filters from Raw. I've been smoking a lot though, and I can't stop. And when I want to stop I'm hit with the fear that my thyroid is going to crash, even at the thought of reducing the number of cigarettes. I hope you have some helpful advice in this regard.
 

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A very interesting article, on a topic that has been studied for decades but has not seen much mainstream media exposure mostly because it does not fit the narrative. Namely, that "addictions", including smoking, are mostly genetically determined and not much can be done about them except manage the cravings and steer the person into some form of medication and/or "therapy" to modify their behavior away from "addictive" triggers. Of course, none of that has any basis in reality and, as I mentioned above, research as early as the beginning of the 20th century demonstrated that at least when it comes to smoking, the "addiction" is heavily influenced by hormones. Observational studies demonstrated time and again that smoking cravings abate during the week when women are having their periods, and often disappear completely during pregnancy. Both of those periods are characterized with high progesterone synthesis (especially pregnancy) and thus high progesterone/estrogen ratios. Speaking of estrogens, studies later in the 20th century demonstrated that synthetic estrogens such as DES exacerbated addictive behaviors such as smoking and in some cases even cause people to pick up smoking anew. The knowledge of the neurological effects of those steroids was not advanced enough at that time to explain how progesterone may work against addiction and estrogen for it. More recent studies demonstrate that the cholinergic system is heavily involved in "addiction", and that progesterone is an antagonist on cholinergic receptors while estrogen is an agonist. Nicotine, the primary "addictive" substance in tobacco, is actually the main naturally occurring agonist of the cholinergic receptors and, in fact, a subset of those receptors is called just that - "nicotinic acetylcholine receptors". Other anticholinergic steroids include pregnenolone, DHEA, and some androgens. Pharma drugs with anticholinergic effects include the Benadryl (diphenhydramine), cyproheptadine, the tricyclic antidepressants, and various muscarinic antagonists used clinically as an anti-dote to poisoning/overdose with cholinergic substances. Btw, the anti-addiction effects of progesterone and other anticholinergic substances are not limited to smoking. There is multitude of studies demonstrating benefits of progesterone in virtually all types of addiction, including opioid, cocaine, amphetamine, anti-anxiety drugs, etc. I suspect this is due to the central role the cholinergic system plays in depression, as described by Dr. Peat in one of his articles. Namely, most people with "addiction" are in a very stressed state, likely experiencing depression due to the overactive cholinergic system. Blocking the cholinergic system alleviates their stress/depression and they simply do not need to abuse those substances any more - i.e. a direct echo of the findings of the great Rat Park experiment from the 1970s that still gives nightmare to the entire addiction treatment industry.
Oh, I almost forgot about the actual study:): It was with humans and demonstrated that female smokers had 40% higher chance of quitting smoking during the week of high progesterone compared to any period throughout the study.

Characterization of salivary progesterone in female smokers - PubMed
Timing smoking cessation attempts with hormone levels could improve success

"...Progesterone is a steroid hormone, or chemical messenger, found in the bodies of both men and women, but it is present at higher levels in women and is released in the second half of the menstrual cycle. Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) researchers Nathaniel Baker, M.S., and Michael Saladin, Ph.D., have been studying progesterone’s effect on women who are trying to quit for almost eight years. In 2015, they published a paper noting the connection between the hormone and smoking cessation success, and they found that, specifically, the use of a nicotine patch alongside naturally occurring increases in progesterone levels over the course of a week led to a 37% increase in the odds of achieving abstinence. "

"...“What we found in that study,” said Baker, “was that it wasn’t necessarily high progesterone, but it was high and increasing that affected abstinence.”...Saladin said the aim of this study wasn’t to recruit participants who wanted to quit during the trial but to look at their hormone fluctuations, as well as their cigarette smoking fluctuations, and compare those results with what they already knew about serum levels. “What we found was so interesting,” he said. “When a woman’s progesterone level was increasing from a low level, she smoked fewer cigarettes per day without even knowing it or trying to. But that effect on smoking behavior eventually levels off. When progesterone peaks in a woman’s cycle, it’s very high. The benefits plateau.” He noted that the biggest finding is that quitting success comes from the low to high increase, which can help with timing a woman’s cessation attempt with her hormone cycle."
Hey, since nicotine is an agonist to the cholinergic receptors, does that mean smoking cigarettes gives way to further addictions as cholinergic system would be upregulated?
 
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