On The Back Of A Tiger - An Interview With The Filmmakers

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- The dark side of stress (learned helplessness)

"There are two very different kinds of stress reaction. The best known "fight or flight reaction" could be called more accurately "struggle to adapt." Another, less discussed kind, might appear to be a "give up and die or get depressed" reaction, but it involves many processes that are protective and adaptive in certain circumstances."

"Curt Richter already in 1957 had described the "hopelessness" phenomenon in rats (“a reaction of hopelessness is shown by some wild rats very soon after being grasped in the hand and prevented from moving. They seem literally to give up,”) and even how to cure their hopelessness, by allowing them to have an experience of escaping once (Richter, 1957, 1958). Rats which would normally be able to keep swimming in a tank for two or three days, would often give up and drown in just a few minutes, after having an experience of "inescapable stress." Richter made the important discovery that the hearts of the hopeless rats slowed down before they died, remaining relaxed and filled with blood, revealing the dominant activity of the vagal nerve, secreting acetylcholine."​

Your post might have induced a bradycardia in the filmmaker.

 

[burtlancast]

Anyone ever notice how much Ray sounds like Noam Chomsky?

That's the first thing i noticed when i discovered him: both are linguists, maybe that's an explanation.

And thank you Atman !

 

[ilikecats]

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[ilikecats]

Ray’s got nothing but contempt for Chomsky

 

[Kartoffel]

Ray’s got nothing but contempt for Chomsky

For good reasons. Chomsky has poisoned the whole field of linguistics, and it will probably take another few decades to overcome his Generative Grammar nonsense. His influence on how we think about language and cognition is akin to the influence genetics has had on biology/phisiology.

 

[anniejohnson]

Ray has said that he hates criticizing Chomsky because he's such a useful political commentator. Chomsky's linguistic ideas are probably wrong, but if you've ever watched him talked about politics, he's insightful, sharp, and spot on.

 

[Kartoffel]

Ray has said that he hates criticizing Chomsky because he's such a useful political commentator

When did he say that?

 

[anniejohnson]

In an audio interview. Sorry, I don't know which one. Chomsky is an anarchist. His political commentary is excellent. Peat has criticized Chomsky plenty of times, but their politics are similar.

 

[Ras]

Is this film ever going to be released?

 

[Lee Simeon]

Is this film ever going to be released?

Yes

 

[Waynish]

Ray has said that he hates criticizing Chomsky because he's such a useful political commentator. Chomsky's linguistic ideas are probably wrong, but if you've ever watched him talked about politics, he's insightful, sharp, and spot on.

Chomsky is controlled opposition. He has plenty of power in his ivory tower, but is such a master of double speak that he can say so many facts while still misdirecting almost everyone. He shuts down people questioning the official story of 9/11, calling them "conspiracy theorists." I'd call him a bleeding heart zionist or a genius Trotskyite.

This reminds me of Danny Roddy's last podcast with Haidut, which was great, as usual. However, Danny said it was silly that people paraphrase Peat as being "great at nutrition but lost on politics" (not a direct quote) - because they don't see deeper connections between the entire worldview. I must say, many of us do see the deeper connections, but still feel Peat was swept up by the insidiousness of degenerated language and distorted truth via Marxism/Trotskyism/globalism/feminism, etc. I haven't seen anyone argue that Peat's political bias is a strike against his biological knowledge. However, there is no such thing as having that much invested into the intellectual mind without accompanying side effects. Anyone living during the epoch of the Kali Yuga is going to need more than the highest level of intellect to see through to the truth.

 

[LUH 3417]

From an email:
In quoting Bob Altemeyer, I didn’t mean to indicate that I think Chomsky is an authoritarian leftist, in Altemeyer’s sense. He has called himself an anarcho-syndicalist, and opposed authoritarian socialism, while working for the Pentagon; I see that as analogous to Trotsky’s (and trotskyists') super-revolutionary cooperation with the FBI and fascists. My comparison of his views to Konrad Lorenz’s was to indicate that I see his fundamental beliefs as an authoritarianism of a deeper and worse sort, something not at all leftist in a meaningful way. His theory of mind and language has done more harm than his writings on imperialism have done good.

 

[Waynish]

From an email:
... His theory of mind and language has done more harm than his writings on imperialism have done good.

This is an email from RP?

 

[anniejohnson]

pinacolada, who is that email from?

 

[LUH 3417]

This is an email from RP?

Yes it is from RP when I asked him about Chomsky

 

[burtlancast]

I must say, many of us do see the deeper connections, but still feel Peat was swept up by the insidiousness of degenerated language and distorted truth via Marxism/Trotskyism/globalism/feminism, etc.

Peat is quite content on distording political truth when it suits him.
Generative Energy #32: The CIA's Mighty Wurlitzer With Ray Peat

 

[Kartoffel]

Peat is quite content on distording political truth when it suits him.
Generative Energy #32: The CIA's Mighty Wurlitzer With Ray Peat

Are you angry because Peat isn't the right-wing anarchist you thought he is?

In an audio interview. Sorry, I don't know which one. Chomsky is an anarchist. His political commentary is excellent. Peat has criticized Chomsky plenty of times, but their politics are similar.

I doubt he ever said that. Peat hates Chomsky, who is as authoritarian and reductionist as you can get.

 

[burtlancast]

Are you angry because Peat isn't the right-wing anarchist you thought he is?

I don't come to this forum because of Peat's political ideas.

But i know in order to understand a man and his thoughts, all his ideas have to be taken into account, in all domains, whether one agrees with them or not.

 

[ecstatichamster]

I don't come to this forum because of Peat's political ideas.

But i know in order to understand a man and his thoughts, all his ideas have to be taken into account, in all domains, whether one agrees with them or not.

Good point.

 

[Lilac]

I asked Ray if he had heard anything about the film. His reply:

"I haven’t heard anything for a long time, I don’t know what’s happening with it."