For Your Health, Control Your Anger

[Braveheart]

The secret to a healthy old age? Stay in control of your anger

some interesting links bottom of article...

Yes, true, anger seems to be a symptom of getting older...not sure why that is... but I have been able to control it thru what Buddhism has taught me....so now, when I am angered by someone on forum, I don't even hit the ignore button any more...just let it go, let it flow....

 

[lampofred]

Not trying to sound reductionist, but I think anger is high dopamine and high estrogen. High dopamine and high progesterone is calmness, low dopamine and high estrogen is apathy.

 

[BestSinceDAYONE]

"But, the Canadians discovered, anger only had a negative effect on the health of the over-80s."

Stay angry, folks.

 

[Highserotonin90]

@lampofred I very much agree with this although I still haven't figured out how I can lower dopamine while avoiding symptoms of excessive delirium. could the NAC help?

 

[Pete Rey]

The older I get the more I come to believe that psychological health precedes physical health. There is a school of thought that all disease is caused by unresolved, unreleased trauma. I used to think that was crazy, but then I think about the bags of supplements I collected and the many diets I've been on. It seems to me our habits and beliefs exert a stronger influence on our hormones than we could ever hope to correct for physically. Not to say that some physical interventions can't be dramatic, for a while. I was just thinking the other day out of the huge body of work Ray left us, the most important thing might just be the example he set with his demeanor.

 

[Peatress]

The older I get the more I come to believe that psychological health precedes physical health. There is a school of thought that all disease is caused by unresolved, unreleased trauma. I used to think that was crazy, but then I think about the bags of supplements I collected and the many diets I've been on. It seems to me our habits and beliefs exert a stronger influence on our hormones than we could ever hope to correct for physically. Not to say that some physical interventions can't be dramatic, for a while. I was just thinking the other day out of the huge body of work Ray left us, the most important thing might just be the example he set with his demeanor.

I'm not dismissing trauma but how is this possible?

 

[Pete Rey]

I'm not dismissing trauma but how is this possible?

How is anything possible? It's a branch of psychology called somatic experiencing. It's just one of many schools of thought, not saying it's 100% true, but I've come to believe it's directionally accurate in that our greatest stressors are self-imposed.

 

[Highserotonin90]

@Pete Rey PTSD ?

 

[Pete Rey]

@Pete Rey PTSD ?

Basically, yes.

 

[Peatress]

How is anything possible? It's a branch of psychology called somatic experiencing. It's just one of many schools of thought, not saying it's 100% true, but I've come to believe it's directionally accurate in that our greatest stressors are self-imposed.

It would be difficult to prove seeing that most children start their lives with a skin full of vaccines. Vaccines aside there are so many environmental toxins to consider.

 

[Pete Rey]

It would be difficult to prove seeing that most children start their lives with a skin full of vaccines. Vaccines aside there are so many environmental toxins to consider.

Right, that's all trauma. The question is can one heal from it, and to what extent, and how? Are the chemicals from the shots I received in the mid 1980s, which very likely damaged my metabolism in a severe way and contributed to a very stressful childhood, are they still in me, exerting an effect on my hormones, my metabolism, my immune system? Is it something that can be resolved by dieting and supplementing hormones and other chemicals? Or are those just band-aids covering up the fact that this trauma caused my nervous system to get stuck in a fight-flight-freeze pattern as a coping mechanism, leading to the development of personality disorders, and is this the only way it affects me now as a middle-aged adult? And if that is true, then is working to break out of that pattern the best shot I have at resolving everything else?

Philosophically, I don't believe anything can truly be proven. Just cases can be built.

 

[ThinPicking]

I was just thinking the other day out of the huge body of work Ray left us, the most important thing might just be the example he set with his demeanor.

Seems like a strange pick Mr Rey. Maybe I'm misinterpreting or missing something. Do you think Ray's demeanor could have been different if he wasn't living by his own perceptions, thoughts and acts? Particularly the ones he was relentlessly sharing with good humour, heart and cheer.

I'm not dismissing that we have individuality and character here. Just the idea they're not malleable.

The older I get the more I come to believe that psychological health precedes physical health. There is a school of thought that all disease is caused by unresolved, unreleased trauma.

It seems to me our habits and beliefs exert a stronger influence on our hormones than we could ever hope to correct for physically. Not to say that some physical interventions can't be dramatic, for a while.

It's a branch of psychology called somatic experiencing.

I could agree insofar as poor "psychological health" may necessitate sheer will to get on the way. However knowing there is a way may be a big part of forming the will.

"Somatic experiencing" sounds a bit self-defeating. Perhaps I need to be schooled on how this "unreleased trauma" can be "released".

"Nothing is stored, it's like the pasts are all present in the same room, and we periodically have a different perspective on them. When the present balance of stuff, toxicants, euphoriants is good, you can think and feel what you want about things" - Dr Raymond Peat, 1936 – 2022

I've come to believe it's directionally accurate in that our greatest stressors are self-imposed.

Philosophically, I don't believe anything can truly be proven. Just cases can be built.

Seems somewhat ironic in context.

 

[LUH 3417]

The older I get the more I come to believe that psychological health precedes physical health. There is a school of thought that all disease is caused by unresolved, unreleased trauma. I used to think that was crazy, but then I think about the bags of supplements I collected and the many diets I've been on. It seems to me our habits and beliefs exert a stronger influence on our hormones than we could ever hope to correct for physically. Not to say that some physical interventions can't be dramatic, for a while. I was just thinking the other day out of the huge body of work Ray left us, the most important thing might just be the example he set with his demeanor.

I too am more and more of the opinion that emotions are the basis of health. I’ve noticed the more sensitive I am to symptoms that come up around certain people and situations, the more I can discern what good health feels like and what feeds and nourishes me beyond the realm of nutrition. We get energy not just from food but from environments, people, dynamics, etc. If I’m around an angry person my liver will literally start to hurt.

 

[Pete Rey]

Seems like a strange pick Mr Rey. Maybe I'm misinterpreting or missing something. Do you think Ray's demeanor could have been different if he wasn't living by his own perceptions, thoughts and acts? Particularly the ones he was relentlessly sharing with good humour, heart and cheer.

I'm not dismissing that we have individuality and character here. Just the idea they're not malleable.





I could agree insofar as poor "psychological health" may necessitate sheer will to get on the way. However knowing there is a way may be a big part of forming the will.

"Somatic experiencing" sounds a bit self-defeating. Perhaps I need to be schooled on how this "unreleased trauma" can be "released".

"Nothing is stored, it's like the pasts are all present in the same room, and we periodically have a different perspective on them. When the present balance of stuff, toxicants, euphoriants is good, you can think and feel what you want about things" - Dr Raymond Peat, 1936 – 2022



Seems somewhat ironic in context.

It sounds like you are agreeing with me in an argumentative tone. Not sure what to say here? And I don't see how the last two quotes contradict each other?

 

[ThinPicking]

It sounds like you are agreeing with me in an argumentative tone. Not sure what to say here?

Not at all Mr Rey. I just asked a question

It sounds like you are agreeing with me in an argumentative tone. Not sure what to say here? And I don't see how the last two quotes contradict each other?

No suggestion they contradict eachother Mr Rey. They just seem a bit self-fulfilling and contrary to Peaty sentiment.

 

[Peatress]

Right, that's all trauma. The question is can one heal from it, and to what extent, and how? Are the chemicals from the shots I received in the mid 1980s, which very likely damaged my metabolism in a severe way and contributed to a very stressful childhood, are they still in me, exerting an effect on my hormones, my metabolism, my immune system? Is it something that can be resolved by dieting and supplementing hormones and other chemicals? Or are those just band-aids covering up the fact that this trauma caused my nervous system to get stuck in a fight-flight-freeze pattern as a coping mechanism, leading to the development of personality disorders, and is this the only way it affects me now as a middle-aged adult? And if that is true, then is working to break out of that pattern the best shot I have at resolving everything else?

Philosophically, I don't believe anything can truly be proven. Just cases can be built.

Some people go on to have repeated vaccines as adults (plus other harmful medications). Can one heal from vaccines? I don't know. This is a quote from Murder by Injection

At the annual ACS Science Writers Seminar, Dr. Robert W.
Simpson, of Rutgers University, warned that "immunization
programs against flu, measles, mumps and polio may
actually be seeding humans with RNA to form proviruses
which will then become latent cells throughout the body . . .
they can then become activated as a variety of diseases
including lupus, cancer, rheumatism and arthritis."
This was a remarkable verification of the earlier warning
delivered by Dr. Herbert Snow of London more than fifty
years earlier. He had observed that the long-term effects of
the vaccine, lodging in the heart or other parts of the body,
would eventually result in fatal damage to the heart. The
vaccine becomes a time bomb in the system, festering as
what are known as "slow viruses," which may take ten to
thirty years to become virulent. When that time arrives, the
victim is felled by a fatal onslaught, often with no prior
warning, whether it is a heart attack or some other disease.
Health Freedom News, in its July/August 1986 issue, noted
that "Vaccine is linked to brain damage. 150 lawsuits
pending against DPT vaccine manufacturers, seeking $1.5
billion damages."

Murder By Injection. Eustace Mullins : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3wRe2hlv78http://www.whale.to/x/Murder%20by%20Injection.%20Eustace%20Mullins.pdf

archive.org

I think following a prometabolic lifesytle would help but the level of recovery depends on the type of poison and how much.

Edit - Who said you have a personality disorder? Why do you believe you have a personality disorder?

 

[Pete Rey]

Not at all Mr Rey. I just asked a question


No suggestion they contradict eachother Mr Rey. They just seem a bit self-fulfilling and contrary to Peaty sentiment.

I see. I don't think anyone is infallible, including myself and Ray. I agree with his quote you presented to the extent that dietary and chemical intervention can provide the temporary clarity one may need to begin to address psychology. I agree we are highly malleable beings IF we allow ourselves to be, but this does require inner work for which the physical interventions are no substitute.

And I think his demeanor, which you so well characterized, is to be emulated as someone who has processed his trauma in a healthy way. One of my favorite quips he ever gave was when he was asked about the evils of porn addiction. Nothing about hormones or supplements to treat compulsive behavior. His response, (paraphrasing) "I think he needs to get a girlfriend." Seems to me that was a not-so-subtle nod to the primacy of psychology.

As far as self-fulfilling prophesies go, my take is this. If it works, it works. I try not to obsess over absolute truth (anymore).

 

[Pete Rey]

Some people go on to have repeated vaccines as adults (plus other harmful medications). Can one heal from vaccines? I don't know. This is a quote from Murder by Injection

At the annual ACS Science Writers Seminar, Dr. Robert W.
Simpson, of Rutgers University, warned that "immunization
programs against flu, measles, mumps and polio may
actually be seeding humans with RNA to form proviruses
which will then become latent cells throughout the body . . .
they can then become activated as a variety of diseases
including lupus, cancer, rheumatism and arthritis."
This was a remarkable verification of the earlier warning
delivered by Dr. Herbert Snow of London more than fifty
years earlier. He had observed that the long-term effects of
the vaccine, lodging in the heart or other parts of the body,
would eventually result in fatal damage to the heart. The
vaccine becomes a time bomb in the system, festering as
what are known as "slow viruses," which may take ten to
thirty years to become virulent. When that time arrives, the
victim is felled by a fatal onslaught, often with no prior
warning, whether it is a heart attack or some other disease.
Health Freedom News, in its July/August 1986 issue, noted
that "Vaccine is linked to brain damage. 150 lawsuits
pending against DPT vaccine manufacturers, seeking $1.5
billion damages."

Murder By Injection. Eustace Mullins : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3wRe2hlv78http://www.whale.to/x/Murder%20by%20Injection.%20Eustace%20Mullins.pdf

archive.org

I think following a prometabolic lifesytle would help but the level of recovery depends on the type of poison and how much.

Edit - Who said you have a personality disorder? Why do you believe you have a personality disorder?

The past is always in the past, even as I strike each key to type this. If someone got a vaccine yesterday and suffered some terrible effect, the question is what are they going to do in the present to process that trauma? Even if they suffer a stroke and become permanently paralyzed, there is still potential for healing even if there is no hope for total recovery.

As for personality disorders, they are just psychological patterns that lead to negative life outcomes. Even if no one ever labeled them they would still exist, just as triangles or the Fibonacci sequence exists. If you are honest with yourself no one has to tell you when you thoughts are leading you down one of these paths. The problem is that they are defense/survival mechanisms by nature, so the objectivity of a third party is often necessary to get one to recognize the patterns until he can become mindful enough to notice it himself. A similar concept would be this Upton Sinclair quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

 

[Peatress]

The past is always in the past, even as I strike each key to type this. If someone got a vaccine yesterday and suffered some terrible effect, the question is what are they going to do in the present to process that trauma? Even if they suffer a stroke and become permanently paralyzed, there is still potential for healing even if there is no hope for total recovery.

As for personality disorders, they are just psychological patterns that lead to negative life outcomes. Even if no one ever labeled them they would still exist, just as triangles or the Fibonacci sequence exists. If you are honest with yourself no one has to tell you when you thoughts are leading you down one of these paths. The problem is that they are defense/survival mechanisms by nature, so the objectivity of a third party is often necessary to get one to recognize the patterns until he can become mindful enough to notice it himself. A similar concept would be this Upton Sinclair quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

If you believe you have a personality disorder I can't argue with that. My understanding of psychiatry of late is being shaped by the work of Dr. Breggins

Breggin.com | Psychiatry as an Instrument of Social and Political Control

Psychiatry as an Instrument of Social and Political Control

breggin.com

 

[Pete Rey]

If you believe you have a personality disorder I can't argue with that. My understanding of psychiatry of late is being shaped by the work of Dr. Breggins

Breggin.com | Psychiatry as an Instrument of Social and Political Control

Psychiatry as an Instrument of Social and Political Control

breggin.com

I don't "have" anything but thoughts which conform to patterns which lead to suboptimal life outcomes, which I can learn to identify and change. You can call that whatever you wish.