Nemo
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i heard creatine can increase choline. normally, arginine, glycine, choline, and i think methionine or something else is used to make creatine. so if you supplement it, it should 'spare' those and increase the levels of all those. I think this is why creatine supplements can increase oily skin/acne. some claimed its because it increases dht but i think its actually its pro choline effect. dht substances from what ive experienced actually decrease acne while pro choline or pro estrogen things especially choline supplements or creatine supplements or dhea increase it. including creapure which is the cleanest german creatine so its not simply a matter of supplement purity. i was once using choline bitartrate and couldnt figure out what was causing oily skin/pimples cuz i had a few other things i was using at the same time like betaine and taurine... turned out it was the choline and probably the betaine...
doesnt vitamin A actually boost phosphate/magnesium/potassium? in milk it balances out the calcium, in liver i think the copper and other things may be balancing it out. also with vitamin K, the supplement dosages of 1mg+ are actually very hard to get from food unless there is some unmeasurable vitamin K in food similar to what Ray mentioned with vitamin c and dehydro ascorbic acid... im not sure whats going on but vitamin A supplements didnt cause me too much harm. vitamin d3 didnt cause side effects but vitamin K2, if I use it more than once a week causes odd symptoms. it has a teeth cleaning effect but it also seems to increase hair shedding or even cause some hairline recession with high dose usage, and it also seems to cause fatigue if used too often. this is only the supplement form of K2 MK4. and oddly theres a bunch of posters on here experiencing the same thing. even a couple hundred mcg MK7 and 1-2mg MK4 are apparently very big doses compared to food amounts.
Lampofred and Mr. B, I really appreciate this discussion.