Kyle M
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What day are you speaking?I am speaking at the Ancestral Health Symposium again, this time on insulin resistance and why it is not caused by sugar but rather by fatty acids and inflammation. The title is "Causes and Non-Causes of Insulin Resistance."
http://events.eventzilla.net/e/ancestral-health-symposium--ahs17-2138891941
Good question, I haven't received that info yet. I will update when I do.What day are you speaking?
Do you think protein and carbohydrates dont turn to fat even at a large surplus like that?
As metabolism drops glycolysis increases and lipolysis increases and oxidative phosphorylation falls. The body relies on free fatty acids more and more for metabolism. High cortisol and high lactic acid is chronic. This is what I understand from Ray. Diabetics can't use sugar effectively and are locked into fat burning. Ironically the dieting propaganda today is all about turning into a fat burning machine. Making diabetic metabolism some popularly sought ideal. Lol.
High fat does cause insulin resistance. I think high pufa fats destroy beta cells and cause diabetes
The same way as sugar is the centerpiece of high blood sugar, but healthy people can consume sugar without it staying in the blood.
and young healthy people tend to be able to eat a mixed, high calorie diet and be lean.
I'm not as interested in the psychology of eating. I'll leave that to someone who is passionate about it.
But if they eat a steak and no carbohydrate at all, some of that will be turned into sugar. Blood sugar is not just about dietary sugar because the glucose molecule is such a highly regulated thing in humans, so much so that if you don't eat it we have gluconeogenesis as a back up plan. Blood sugar is a constant thing but people tend to talk about it only in regards to dietary carbohydrate.
I think they eat to maintenance and don't dip into too much fat storage. We always store and we always burn some amount of fat but the reason why the obese are obese is because they dipped into fat storage by going over maintenance. And when you do that every day, day after day and week after week, one day you wake up and you're obese. A young lean person can eat pizza once a week but they can't eat pizza daily, as the only calorie source. If they did and became fatter, I argue that in that case it's the oil in the dough and the fatty acids from the cheese, not the flour or tomato sauce, that was the energy substrate that was stored in fat cells.
@Kyle M You wrote "The proximal cause of obesity is, of course, the organism storing energy substrate as fat in subcutaneous and visceral adipocytes and ectopically on muscle, rather than using it as energy or reducing intake."
The question is, where does that fat come from? It has to come from somewhere. And it has to become fat first in order to be stored. It's not protein that is stored inside fat cells, it's not sugar that is stored inside fat cells. It's fat. It's not simply energy substrate that is stored, it is fat that is stored in fat cells. So when looking at the only three energy substrates for humans, amino acids, fatty acids and monosaccharides and disaccharides, which of those are converted into fat, the thing that is stored in fat cells? Fatty acids are already fatty acids. They do not need to be converted.
People say really silly things about obesity. It's not complicated. I don't know why people in alt-health circles make it so complicated talking about hormones and other things. Those things shouldn't be the main focus of the conversation. I have to wonder, have any of these people ever been obese themselves? I have. I was almost 240 lbs. at just under 6'. That's obese. Do any of these people know obese people in real life? Do they have obese family members or at least lived with obese roommates? If yes, then they would know what obese people actually eat, if they paid attention, day after day, week after week, month after month and year after year. I have news for everyone who didn't pay attention; obese people eat everything. They don't eat "low carb." They don't eat "low fat." They don't eat low anything. They eat high everything. And obese people know they are obese. It's not a secret. We don't care. We know but yet we continue to eat the same way everyday. Again, it's not complicated, for the average otherwise healthy person. I'm not talking about someone who's disabled or has a real endocrine problem. I'm talking about normal people who eat food that makes and keeps them fat for life.
The conversation needs to be about the person and what they eat everyday, not leptin.
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What do you think about someone young and lean who eats low fat (some coconut oil with each meal, sometimes beef) and develops love handles and weight around the belly? I'm not sure if it's fat or water, but it does seem to be connected with encodrine health (estrogens, health) and such meals as 1kg potatoes with small amount of fat and proteins do seem to increase this tendency in my case. I wouldn't compare it to being obese or grossly fat but it does make me fatter.
Doesn't insulin, glycemic index, quantities of carbs in a meal play part? Is food coma not worrying?