"When A Turk's Bowels Move Less Than Three Times A Day, He Consults A Physician."

[Wagner83]

This is so very long.
(Thanks)

There are two classes of substances, those which ferment, carbohydrates, and those which decay, proteids.

Keto diet for the win?

So long as the mucous membrane of the intestine remains intact, it is able to filter out these poisonous substances.

This is a pretty strong point for the importance of vitamin c and gelatin/glycine in the diet, of course the latter has to be easily digested (bromelain) and hopefully be lowish in endotoxins (?).

It is evident that the most effective way of suppressing the growth of poison-forming, putrefaction-producing organisms in the intestine is to reduce to a minimum the amount of proteid in the diet.

It is evident that the most effective way of suppressing the growth of poison-forming, putrefaction-producing organisms in the intestine is to reduce toavoid putrefaction, have fast regular transit time along with strong and resistant mucous membrane of the intestine?

How to get the required amount of carbohydrates into the colon is the problem. Sugar and cooked starch are so quickly digested and so completely absorbed in the small intestine that it is by no means easy to get this element into the colon. Raw starch digests less quickly and milk sugar is more slowly absorbed than other sugars.
Practically only two carbohydrates can be made to reach the colon without undergoing digestion and absorption--raw starch and milk sugar. Raw starch digests so slowly that when taken in more than very minute quantities a considerable portion will reach the colon and there be acted upon by amylolytic bactaeria, which are always present; sugar is produced, supplying to the colon bacillus and other harmful bacteria the material necessary for changing the action of these organisms, so that they become protective instead of destructive through the harmless acids which they produce.

Resistant starch is awful for me and I'm not the only one.

Sugar of milk in considerable quantities in connection with means for stimulating intestinal activity may also be made to reach the colon because of the great slowness with which it is digested and absorbed in adults. Milk sugar remains four times as long in the alimentary canal as does malt sugar. By means of the "milk regimen," which will be described later, it is possible to introduce lactose or milk sugar into the colon in almost any desired quantity.

A lot of people have issues with lactose, and it leads to thorough emptying for them. Besides the milk they mention is probably very different from the one most have access to, I think @Constatine used colostrum with good results.

Animal foods of all sorts are practically all completely digestible. Little or no residue is left in the digestion of meat for the reason that meat represents material that has once passed through the process of digestion in the digestive organs of an animal and hence is capable of undergoing complete digestion when exposed to the proper digestive juices.

So what is the issue if digestion is good and bowel movements are regular?

Cellulose is the one substance found in foodstuff that is not digestible in the human alimentary canal, although in certain animals, particularly herbivorous animals, nature has made provision for the digestion of cellulose.

I could be wrong but has Travis not posted opposite information regarding this point of leaves digestibility?

The charcoal test is a decent idea and agar agar may spark some curiosity. Basically he supports fibers/cellulose-rich foods to stimulate bowel movements, first like Janelle said other information have been written since, second I'm curious what the "primitive" populations ate and whether they all ate that much fibers/cellulose.

Ok I take a break and will read the rest ("Although many persons experienced) later.

 

[tca300]

I drink between 24-30 cups of milk per day, with zero fiber, and my poops have never been better in my life. But I drink evil pasteurized milk, so I will probably die from scurvy

 

[moa]

Great article.

If lactose is good why not inulin or fos or reststant starch. They sure reach the colon without the need to drink milk every 30 minutes.

I'm curious what the "primitive" populations ate and whether they all ate that much fibers/cellulose.

I found from some vegan sources that stool of paleo and earlier humans show very high amounts of fiber, much more (sometimes double) that of a typicel vegan today and more than 10 times that of typical sad.

Also i think early humans ate basically only various roots (with some fruits), including various cooked starchy roots (some of them, because not cultivated, were maybe consumed to extinction after agriculture began and population numbers exploded : this is why all eurasiatic societies dont have starchy roots in their traditional diet but american and african do and some parts of china still have some i think). Fire was invented right before the first homo apeared (with big brains small jars, small muscles and weak intestines) according to latest data, invented not by humans but by pre human bipeds.

 

[haidut]

The B. Bulgaricus is remarkable in possessing greater resistance to acids than any other micro-organism known. It will endure a concentration of acids as high as four per cent, whereas few other organisms can resist a concentration much greater than one per cent. This organism will continue to grow in a solution that contains thirty times the amount of acid which will stop the growth of Welch's bacillus, an organism which produces foul gases in the intestine. It is chiefly because of its acid-forming activity that the B. Bulgaricus is able to render special service in efforts to change the intestinal flora, as will be shown later."

Thank you for bringing up my resilient, bacterial compadres I suppose this resilience is what makes B. Bulgaricus capable of controlling the growth of highly opportunistic pathogens like C. Difficile and MRSA.

 

[mipp]

and if the diet is of proper character, low in proteid, rich in carbohydrate, supplied with a reasonable amount of starch in its native state, the stools soon cease to show marked evidence of decomposition; the strong ammoniacal, putrid or rancid odors disappear, the stool has either a faint sweetish or slightly sour odor, and the black or dark brown color [tut] gives place to an orange or yellow color."

I noticed the color change since since going on high starch diet. Haven't had a dark brown poop in many months and thought something was wrong with my digestion, maybe not enough bile due to low fat. I always thought that stool is suposed to be dark brown.

 

[raypeatclips]

Have we decided what causes colon cancer? Because I'd rather deal with skin eruptions or sluggish liver than die of colon cancer.

I asked Peat about bowel cancer, not quite colon but not far off. He said fibrous foods and milk are protective. From emails I've shared with him he seems very pro-fiber in my interpretation of what he says, which i was surprised about.

 

[InChristAlone]

I asked Peat about bowel cancer, not quite colon but not far off. He said fibrous foods and milk are protective. From emails I've shared with him he seems very pro-fiber in my interpretation of what he says, which i was surprised about.

So basically the raw carrot to sweep everything out? I was thinking more on the lines of Kellogg's bran he is so fond of. I believe it was bran that was implicated in colon cancer. I have avoided whole grains for the most part since becoming a Peat fan. But for my son who is so chronically constipated (not necessarily because of his body but by his own doing), I noticed when we were doing lots of popcorn for about a week it cleaned him out and I saw old mucous in his poop! Gross! I get a piece of old mucous too when I do coffee enemas, so I know things aren't getting totally cleaned out even when I do a vitamin C flush.

 

[Anders86]

Im gonna snack some cheese

 

[Amazoniac]

How do you mean carbs are exhausted and proteins are putrified?

When bacteria are occupied with carbs, they do intoxicate the person but without paralyzing the bowels, so it's somewhat milder. But when the bowels start to become paralyzed, it usually involves more toxic products related to action on protein.
Acidification can be confusing because once carbs disappear, all that's left are fatty and amino acids; so Koch is right in his 'bolus' observations, and also in encouraging a diet without both for therapeutic purposes since it has a much diminished chance of things going awry.

This is a pretty strong point for the importance of vitamin c and gelatin/glycine in the diet, of course the latter has to be easily digested (bromelain) and hopefully be lowish in endotoxins (?).

Sure, I don't understand why he didn't suggest consumption of milk and fruits together. Depending on the choice they can enhance the effect of each other.

It is evident that the most effective way of suppressing the growth of poison-forming, putrefaction-producing organisms in the intestine is to reduce toavoid putrefaction, have fast regular transit time along with strong and resistant mucous membrane of the intestine?

This will fix the situation just as good as those extreme measures, making possible to achieve the same effect with very little fermentable carbs.

Resistant starch is awful for me and I'm not the only one.

Everything that ferments is feeding bacteria, so I don't expect something good out of it, maybe it benefits only to the extent that it prevents protein decay.
By the way, he refers to carrots as a source of raw starch.

A lot of people have issues with lactose, and it leads to thorough emptying for them. Besides the milk they mention is probably very different from the one most have access to, I think @Constatine used colostrum with good results.

Same for lactose.

So what is the issue if digestion is good and bowel movements are regular?

Because we can't absorb it all. Maybe pboy..

I could be wrong but has Travis not posted opposite information regarding this point of leaves digestibility?

I remember his posts.
One of the first quotes of the book is about the issue of surgical removal of the colon not solving the problem. Maybe bacteria migrate upwards because they're allowed to, because they're needed, etc. I wonder if the people that had the colons removed in the study had this problem:
https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-pdf/31/6/927/23492483/927.pdf (this is it)
"Cellulases are not present in the human digestive juices. Therefore, digestion of cellulose will probably be by intestinal bacteria."

Ray Peat Email Exchanges - Ray Peat Forum Wiki

I drink between 24-30 cups of milk per day, with zero fiber, and my poops have never been better in my life. But I drink evil pasteurized milk, so I will probably die from scurvy

Isn't that the whole purpose of his suggestions? The enzymes are probably more relevant when people are weakened.

If lactose is good why not inulin or fos or reststant starch. They sure reach the colon without the need to drink milk every 30 minutes.

Some people do get better results from resistant starch than from lactose. Inulin contains fructose, and fructose that escapes digestion isn't good. This must be why the mother of the nature excludes it from milch. Cellulose contains no fructose.
In these situations, I have the impression that moving from evil farts to neutral farts is a sign of good change, then moving to no farts all while keeping the intestines moving.

Thank you for bringing up my resilient, bacterial compadres I suppose this resilience is what makes B. Bulgaricus capable of controlling the growth of highly opportunistic pathogens like C. Difficile and MRSA.

So I guess both of you are immune to lactic acid.

STUDIES ON THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE LACTOBACILLUS BULGARICUS FACTOR AND PANTOTHENIC ACID

But he commented that it's valuable outside of the body, but difficult to use them as probiotic because they have difficulty establishing themselves once ingested.

 

[raypeatclips]

So basically the raw carrot to sweep everything out? I was thinking more on the lines of Kellogg's bran he is so fond of. I believe it was bran that was implicated in colon cancer. I have avoided whole grains for the most part since becoming a Peat fan. But for my son who is so chronically constipated (not necessarily because of his body but by his own doing), I noticed when we were doing lots of popcorn for about a week it cleaned him out and I saw old mucous in his poop! Gross! I get a piece of old mucous too when I do coffee enemas, so I know things aren't getting totally cleaned out even when I do a vitamin C flush.

He seems relaxed about a variety of fibers if you don't react negatively to them. Maybe I have misinterpreted this though and thinking what I want him to say.

Peat has mentioned wheat bran positively too I believe, shouldn't be hard to find his quote on this. I believe he said wheat bran was the only (or one of the only) protective cereal fibers.

 

[mayweatherking]

These are extreme diets and are meant to treat chronic problems that weren't solved by other means. It was written at a time when various nutrients were unknown and supplements weren't widely available. Speaking of Travisord, only thiamine was discovered before the date of publishing. Sometimes a simple correction of a deficiency or Ray's 'temporary excess' is enough to fix these. He also believes that some thyroid supplementation can correct a lot of problems.

[For healing or strengthening the lining of... | Ray Peat Forum

In situations of chronic constipation, it's worth considering reducing protein and increasing fermentable carbs. Vit of D deficiency and sedentary life of the style deserve attention because sometimes they're enough. ☀

The fruit break will give some days of rest, and it's something useful whenever people have problems with indigestion, but it has to be more intuitive, otherwise it can encourage dieting and the bad things associated with it.

The pimp here decided to leave some parts (paraffin, etc) because it would be weird to have a lot of mid-text empty brackets with something like a censored content. Same for the schedule, which is there just to point out that small and frequent feedings were used.

i read the whole post man. but damn, it is from like 1900? does this stuff still apply today or have you seen other stuff on this protein causing these issues?

although it is old, i can attest to it being true from anecdotal evidence. i feel like hair loss in general is a result of this. he talks a lot about how milk in the diet, if all ready in a constipated state, will cause problems. i can attest it's true. or other foods will cause issues, even if they normally wouldn't, due to being in a currently constipated state. and then said food will put you though this constipated state again, until you get it fully out of your system. it is odd, but i think it is the root cause, that's why i like this.

like if i eat one bad food, like a glass of milk, i will be in that constipated state until it gets out of me completely. then you need a full day of eating no food that cause issues (he says potatoes, rice, eggs, a lot of protein, etc.)

but getting out of it is the challenge. i wonder if you combine this with ray peat principles, it could be easy to get out of? like instead of protein restriction, you only restrict fiber, which seems like he agrees is bad. i am willing to try some of this though.

i dont get the milk part though. he is saying milk is good, but it looks like raw milk specifically is good, nothing that is pasteurized. i have found milk to be a death sentence for me, maybe i just havent found the right one, but nothing from the store works, i even used to buy raw goat milk, even that caused a histamine reaction, but i was in a "constipated state" anyway at the time. it sounds like milk is very therapeutic, so maybe if you avoid all negative proteins and fibers, then wait for your system to "clear out", then have milk after that, it is ideal?

i have found cheese to be very good. specifically tillamook cheese. because it contains no lactose, and it contains no added vitamins, so it's like lactose free milk, but no added vitamins. although cheese is good, it can produce a histamine reaction if you are in a constipated state, but it wont cause constipation, so it can be a safe protein. i'm a little confused at what other safe proteins there are, if any according to him.

would ray say the fiber in vegetables like spinach cause a problem? i dont know.

i like this a lot though. i really do. i have always thought i have had other issues like, not enough protein, not enough thyroid, not enough this, not enough that, not enough A, not enough D, i've been on this forum forever and my health has been getting progressively worse over time, clearly this is not the problem, i do think the problem is this and why it is complicated is that when you have ONE thing bad, it takes an entire day of NOTHING BAD to get something working.

he talks about walking as well, which i find interesting because i have found nofap/noporn to be very important, due to in my mind, the relaxation of the muscles in the pelvic region and possibly contributing towards helping the system to relax, so i see he talks about walking being important, so that is a strong correlation and something similar, maybe nofap was pretty easy back in 1900 due to no pornhub.

 

[Amazoniac]

i read the whole post man. but damn, it is from like 1900? does this stuff still apply today or have you seen other stuff on this protein causing these issues?

There are plenty of relevant things in the book that still apply today. Koch and Gerson were well aware of those problems.

but getting out of it is the challenge. i wonder if you combine this with ray peat principles, it could be easy to get out of? like instead of protein restriction, you only restrict fiber, which seems like he agrees is bad. i am willing to try some of this though.

Some vegetables can even neutralize the effects of heterocyclic amines from meats.

i have found cheese to be very good. specifically tillamook cheese. because it contains no lactose, and it contains no added vitamins, so it's like lactose free milk, but no added vitamins. although cheese is good, it can produce a histamine reaction if you are in a constipated state, but it wont cause constipation, so it can be a safe protein. i'm a little confused at what other safe proteins there are, if any according to him.

Have you read this thread? Maybe you find something useful there.

i like this a lot though. i really do. i have always thought i have had other issues like, not enough protein, not enough thyroid, not enough this, not enough that, not enough A, not enough D, i've been on this forum forever and my health has been getting progressively worse over time, clearly this is not the problem, i do think the problem is this and why it is complicated is that when you have ONE thing bad, it takes an entire day of NOTHING BAD to get something working.

One of the reasons why I put this catchy title is because it touches on the most important message of the book. With so many variables, it's worth to have some simple measures to know if things are moving on the right direction or not, such as body temperature, etc. Bowel evacuation is one of these simple things that can help guide more intuitive choices.

he talks about walking as well, which i find interesting because i have found nofap/noporn to be very important, due to in my mind, the relaxation of the muscles in the pelvic region and possibly contributing towards helping the system to relax, so i see he talks about walking being important, so that is a strong correlation and something similar, maybe nofap was pretty easy back in 1900 due to no pornhub.

Enough activity is pretty important. I was wondering the other day about the difference between going uphills and upstairs. With the stairs you are often limited by a specific set, so everything is more or less restrained. With the hills, if it's inclined enough, the feet are always tense, which might have an effect on the whole leg. I prefer steep and hills because they give you more freedom, might require the work of more muscles and are out of the doors.

There are plenty of analysis on this for more details if you search for something like 'steep gait cycle'. Some books on ergonomics/architecture might give you an idea of how stairs are constructed, how they determine the angle, the distances; and so it's useful because you'll notice how the movement can become limited.

Effects Of Regular Walking On Chronic Idiopathic Constipation

Regarding PornHub, I don't know what I would do back then since I'm into zoophilia. Imagine how hard it would be to go out seeking animals, and then waiting for the 1 minute act. On top of that there will be no recordings. Just the thought of losing my collections is scary.

--
Some things that help constipation might also be useful for the hair of the loss.

Orange juice with sodium bicarbonate and some organic salt of magnesium that you prefer (such as malate, etc) can is one of them. When used in conjunction they can have synergistic effects.

Bicarbonate helps to normalize calcium metabolism, but (if I'm not wrong) the sodium without its presence in the meal can antagonize and displace it. For example, sodium chloride is often responsible for the pains in cancer, not only because of sodium interfering with the soothing effects of calcium, but also because the extra chlorides might react with excess of hydrogens in unwanted ways.
When orange juice (which contains a good deal of calcium) is taken with the baking of the sodas, they can enhance their effects. Low bicarbonate levels interfere not only with calcium metabolism but also magnesium. That's why combining the three can be a good.

The pancreas might be compromised when the metabolism is weak.

Sodium bicarbonate is often used when people are constipated, apparently it's something helpful even by itself.

Since we're on the subject of polyamines:
Meat physiology, stress, and degenerative physiology.
"Bicarbonate protects against many of the toxic effects of ammonia, and since carbon dioxide spontaneously reacts with amino groups, it probably helps to inactivate exogenous polyamines."

It's sillier than my jokes to buy ground meat. We don't know what's in there for sure and it's greater surface for bacteria. If buying thicker pieces so that you can trim them exposed parts is not an option, perhaps marinading could help.
And it can affect those heterocyclic amines as well:
Effects of marinades on the formation of heterocyclic amines in grilled beef steaks

Excessive cheese consumption often depletes glycine. It's worse than muscle meat in this regard because it contains less b and 12 (which supports proper metabolism of methionine) but also lacks creatine; all that while missing the balancing aspects of whey (which happens to be quite nutritious). So, additional glycine and creatine can be extremely beneficial for those that rely on cheese for proteid.
Glycine and taurine also help to normalize chloride in the body.

- Glycine N-Methyltransferase and Regulation of S-Adenosylmethionine Levels
- Effect of Glycine and Serine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed Diets High in Methionine
- Suppression of Methionine-Induced Hyperhomocysteinemia by Glycine and Serine in Rats
- Effect of Dietary Glycine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed a High-Methionine Diet
- https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/beyond-good-and-evil/ ("glycine")
- Valtsu's: Health Benefits of Glycine
- A weak link in metabolism: the metabolic capacity for glycine biosynthesis does not satisfy the need for collagen synthesis
- Dietary Glycine Supplementation Mimics Lifespan Extension By Dietary Methionine Restriction
- Effect of glycine and vitamin supplementation on sulphur amino acid utilization by growing cattle. - PubMed - NCBI
- Effects of dietary protein, glycine, and tryptophan on iron metabolism in the growing chick. - PubMed - NCBI

I don't know for sure about the relevance of plasma amino acids, but the fact that vegans have greater levels of glycine circulating is interesting since most vegetarians and omnivores consume plenty of methionine.
Plasma concentrations and intakes of amino acids in male meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans: a cross-sectional analysis in the EPIC-Oxford cohort​

Manganese can help to regulate choline (and movement/impulse) metabolism.

I suspect many problems with leafy greens are not so much related to the carbs, but with the amino acids in them that can be harder to digest because of the fibers. Since cooking destroys the defensive chemicals of the leaves, the amino acids become more available but it becomes prone to decay if not flavored with safe fats and spices.

 

[raypeatclips]

Some vegetables can even neutralize the effects of heterocyclic amines from meats.

@Amazoniac Do you know which vegetables do these, is it specific vegetables? My attempts at searching didn't come up with much.

 

[Anders86]

There are plenty of relevant things in the book that still apply today. Koch and Gerson were well aware of those problems.

Some vegetables can even neutralize the effects of heterocyclic amines from meats.

Have you read this thread? Maybe you find something useful there.

One of the reasons why I put this catchy title is because it touches on the most important message of the book. With so many variables, it's worth to have some simple measures to know if things are moving on the right direction or not, such as body temperature, etc. Bowel evacuation is one of these simple things that can help guide more intuitive choices.

Enough activity is pretty important. I was wondering the other day about the difference between going uphills and upstairs. With the stairs you are often limited by a specific set, so everything is more or less restrained. With the hills, if it's inclined enough, the feet are always tense, which might have an effect on the whole leg. I prefer steep and hills because they give you more freedom, might require the work of more muscles and are out of the doors.

There are plenty of analysis on this for more details if you search for something like 'steep gait cycle'. Some books on ergonomics/architecture might give you an idea of how stairs are constructed, how they determine the angle, the distances; and so it's useful because you'll notice how the movement can become limited.

Effects Of Regular Walking On Chronic Idiopathic Constipation

Regarding PornHub, I don't know what I would do back then since I'm into zoophilia. Imagine how hard it would be to go out seeking animals, and then waiting for the 1 minute act. On top of that there will be no recordings. Just the thought of losing my collections is scary.

--
Some things that help constipation might also be useful for the hair of the loss.

Orange juice with sodium bicarbonate and some organic salt of magnesium that you prefer (such as malate, etc) can is one of them. When used in conjunction they can have synergistic effects.

Bicarbonate helps to normalize calcium metabolism, but (if I'm not wrong) the sodium without its presence in the meal can antagonize and displace it. For example, sodium chloride is often responsible for the pains in cancer, not only because of sodium interfering with the soothing effects of calcium, but also because the extra chlorides might react with excess of hydrogens in unwanted ways.
When orange juice (which contains a good deal of calcium) is taken with the baking of the sodas, they can enhance their effects. Low bicarbonate levels interfere not only with calcium metabolism but also magnesium. That's why combining the three can be a good.

The pancreas might be compromised when the metabolism is weak.

Sodium bicarbonate is often used when people are constipated, apparently it's something helpful even by itself.

Since we're on the subject of polyamines:
Meat physiology, stress, and degenerative physiology.
"Bicarbonate protects against many of the toxic effects of ammonia, and since carbon dioxide spontaneously reacts with amino groups, it probably helps to inactivate exogenous polyamines."

It's sillier than my jokes to buy ground meat. We don't know what's in there for sure and it's greater surface for bacteria. If buying thicker pieces so that you can trim them exposed parts is not an option, perhaps marinading could help.
And it can affect those heterocyclic amines as well:
Effects of marinades on the formation of heterocyclic amines in grilled beef steaks

Excessive cheese consumption often depletes glycine. It's worse than muscle meat in this regard because it contains less b and 12 (which supports proper metabolism of methionine) but also lacks creatine; all that while missing the balancing aspects of whey (which happens to be quite nutritious). So, additional glycine and creatine can be extremely beneficial for those that rely on cheese for proteid.
Glycine and taurine also help to normalize chloride in the body.

- Glycine N-Methyltransferase and Regulation of S-Adenosylmethionine Levels
- Effect of Glycine and Serine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed Diets High in Methionine
- Suppression of Methionine-Induced Hyperhomocysteinemia by Glycine and Serine in Rats
- Effect of Dietary Glycine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed a High-Methionine Diet
- https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/beyond-good-and-evil/ ("glycine")
- Valtsu's: Health Benefits of Glycine
- A weak link in metabolism: the metabolic capacity for glycine biosynthesis does not satisfy the need for collagen synthesis
- Dietary Glycine Supplementation Mimics Lifespan Extension By Dietary Methionine Restriction
- Effect of glycine and vitamin supplementation on sulphur amino acid utilization by growing cattle. - PubMed - NCBI
- Effects of dietary protein, glycine, and tryptophan on iron metabolism in the growing chick. - PubMed - NCBI

I don't know for sure about the relevance of plasma amino acids, but the fact that vegans have greater levels of glycine circulating is interesting since most vegetarians and omnivores consume plenty of methionine.
Plasma concentrations and intakes of amino acids in male meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans: a cross-sectional analysis in the EPIC-Oxford cohort​

Manganese can help to regulate choline (and movement/impulse) metabolism.

I suspect many problems with leafy greens are not so much related to the carbs, but with the amino acids in them that can be harder to digest because of the fibers. Since cooking destroys the defensive chemicals of the leaves, the amino acids become more available but it becomes prone to decay if not flavored with safe fats and spices.

Is there an april fool in that text?

 

[mayweatherking]

There are plenty of relevant things in the book that still apply today. Koch and Gerson were well aware of those problems.

Some vegetables can even neutralize the effects of heterocyclic amines from meats.

Have you read this thread? Maybe you find something useful there.

One of the reasons why I put this catchy title is because it touches on the most important message of the book. With so many variables, it's worth to have some simple measures to know if things are moving on the right direction or not, such as body temperature, etc. Bowel evacuation is one of these simple things that can help guide more intuitive choices.

Enough activity is pretty important. I was wondering the other day about the difference between going uphills and upstairs. With the stairs you are often limited by a specific set, so everything is more or less restrained. With the hills, if it's inclined enough, the feet are always tense, which might have an effect on the whole leg. I prefer steep and hills because they give you more freedom, might require the work of more muscles and are out of the doors.

There are plenty of analysis on this for more details if you search for something like 'steep gait cycle'. Some books on ergonomics/architecture might give you an idea of how stairs are constructed, how they determine the angle, the distances; and so it's useful because you'll notice how the movement can become limited.

Effects Of Regular Walking On Chronic Idiopathic Constipation

Regarding PornHub, I don't know what I would do back then since I'm into zoophilia. Imagine how hard it would be to go out seeking animals, and then waiting for the 1 minute act. On top of that there will be no recordings. Just the thought of losing my collections is scary.

--
Some things that help constipation might also be useful for the hair of the loss.

Orange juice with sodium bicarbonate and some organic salt of magnesium that you prefer (such as malate, etc) can is one of them. When used in conjunction they can have synergistic effects.

Bicarbonate helps to normalize calcium metabolism, but (if I'm not wrong) the sodium without its presence in the meal can antagonize and displace it. For example, sodium chloride is often responsible for the pains in cancer, not only because of sodium interfering with the soothing effects of calcium, but also because the extra chlorides might react with excess of hydrogens in unwanted ways.
When orange juice (which contains a good deal of calcium) is taken with the baking of the sodas, they can enhance their effects. Low bicarbonate levels interfere not only with calcium metabolism but also magnesium. That's why combining the three can be a good.

The pancreas might be compromised when the metabolism is weak.

Sodium bicarbonate is often used when people are constipated, apparently it's something helpful even by itself.

Since we're on the subject of polyamines:
Meat physiology, stress, and degenerative physiology.
"Bicarbonate protects against many of the toxic effects of ammonia, and since carbon dioxide spontaneously reacts with amino groups, it probably helps to inactivate exogenous polyamines."

It's sillier than my jokes to buy ground meat. We don't know what's in there for sure and it's greater surface for bacteria. If buying thicker pieces so that you can trim them exposed parts is not an option, perhaps marinading could help.
And it can affect those heterocyclic amines as well:
Effects of marinades on the formation of heterocyclic amines in grilled beef steaks

Excessive cheese consumption often depletes glycine. It's worse than muscle meat in this regard because it contains less b and 12 (which supports proper metabolism of methionine) but also lacks creatine; all that while missing the balancing aspects of whey (which happens to be quite nutritious). So, additional glycine and creatine can be extremely beneficial for those that rely on cheese for proteid.
Glycine and taurine also help to normalize chloride in the body.

- Glycine N-Methyltransferase and Regulation of S-Adenosylmethionine Levels
- Effect of Glycine and Serine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed Diets High in Methionine
- Suppression of Methionine-Induced Hyperhomocysteinemia by Glycine and Serine in Rats
- Effect of Dietary Glycine on Methionine Metabolism in Rats Fed a High-Methionine Diet
- https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/beyond-good-and-evil/ ("glycine")
- Valtsu's: Health Benefits of Glycine
- A weak link in metabolism: the metabolic capacity for glycine biosynthesis does not satisfy the need for collagen synthesis
- Dietary Glycine Supplementation Mimics Lifespan Extension By Dietary Methionine Restriction
- Effect of glycine and vitamin supplementation on sulphur amino acid utilization by growing cattle. - PubMed - NCBI
- Effects of dietary protein, glycine, and tryptophan on iron metabolism in the growing chick. - PubMed - NCBI

I don't know for sure about the relevance of plasma amino acids, but the fact that vegans have greater levels of glycine circulating is interesting since most vegetarians and omnivores consume plenty of methionine.
Plasma concentrations and intakes of amino acids in male meat-eaters, fish-eaters, vegetarians and vegans: a cross-sectional analysis in the EPIC-Oxford cohort​

Manganese can help to regulate choline (and movement/impulse) metabolism.

I suspect many problems with leafy greens are not so much related to the carbs, but with the amino acids in them that can be harder to digest because of the fibers. Since cooking destroys the defensive chemicals of the leaves, the amino acids become more available but it becomes prone to decay if not flavored with safe fats and spices.

thanks for the elaborate reply. yeah the cheese thing and B vitamins, that is a good reminder. i do liver, but i havent had it in a few days and my skin has been horrible lately, that might be it.

Hmm baking soda. I thought I read somewhere it can cause heart problems or something. I don't know, I have to do some research into that, I havent seen that.

Glycine I have been doing for sure, I make my own gelatin. I take probably around 16oz or so a day of gelatin from oxtail broth that I save. Taurine on the other hand, is hit or miss, I think it was causing a strong stress reaction in me at one point, so I stopped it. But might be worth it to go for again.

But yeah, if I had to describe my health condition, it is this. The constipation always there, and it always being there causing food insensitivities, but then never being able to get everything out, due to said food insensitivities, being caused by constipation. It's like a negative loop of doom that has driven me to near insanity lol. Like I can go on and track each and every nutrient exactly, but it felt like a see saw all the time. One food, and then boom, my entire digestive tract just stops moving and I'm stuck in this nightmare for like another day, but not knowing what to eat to avoid it. I'm not even fat though, it's just water retention and backed up constiapation tht doesn't come out. It's like, jesus. All this while losing my hair and having no libido and getting progressively fatter. Like WTF. Lol.

I also have to strictly adhere to no orgasm, or else the digestive tract also stops based off that. Why, I don't know, I think it is caused by the stress in the body, because when I have no more constipation, my muscles all relax, otherwise they feel really locked up. It's like, nothing can relax or chill. So an orgasm will tighten the muscles and maybe perpeatuate the loop, not giving a chance for relaxation.

Everything here makes so much sense. I am going to try lower protein today and see how it goes just drinking orange juice and vegetables and maybe some cheese and get those B vitamins in. One glass of milk though, one cheese burger, one potato, rice, and I'm knocked out for another day. Anyway, i'll see how it goes. thanks for the biccarbonate and taurine suggestions, will have to give it a go.

all the nutrient tracking, all of it doesn't matter with this problem, if i get 100 grams of protein, or zero carbs or 500 carbs, i can get every vitamin in a day, every mineral requirement, and still feel close to death with nothing moving. all that matters is getting rid of the putrification or whatever it is called. damn all right this gives me some hope man, 2 years and hitting your head against the wall was starting to take a toll.

 

[raypeatclips]

@mayweatherking I've not had a look back at your posts to see what you have and haven't done, so apologies if you have, but have you tried any decent amounts of fiber in your diet? Even not "Peat approved" vegetables?

Also tried daily exercise, i.e 1 hour walks per day?

These two have eliminated my constipation issues. (Also not eating tons of cheese a day which made my **** bleed)

 

[mayweatherking]

@mayweatherking I've not had a look back at your posts to see what you have and haven't done, so apologies if you have, but have you tried any decent amounts of fiber in your diet? Even not "Peat approved" vegetables?

Also tried daily exercise, i.e 1 hour walks per day?

These two have eliminated my constipation issues. (Also not eating tons of cheese a day which made my **** bleed)

do you still have to do the high fiber food? can you tolerate milk now also? i have tried rice and potatoes, but it seems to stop my digestion completely, i am going for kale now and carrots, i can add others in if it will work, but ive used fiber from the store, it didnt really help

 

[raypeatclips]

I eat vegetables daily yeah, they go alongside my meals, as well as some whole fruits, I still drink juice though. I enjoy the vegetables and they go well with the foods I eat, so it doesn't feel like I "have to do them every day" it just feels "normal." Most people I see eat vegetables with meals. Walking round the supermarket and looking in people's trolleys and baskets that "seem" healthy from just one look and knowing nothing about the person often have a variety of vegetables and fruits.

Rice is low in fiber and without vegetables it can slow digestion a bit without it. Rice, meat, vegetables and something to flavour it all.

Why are you using fiber from a store? Just eat vegetables and fruit that don't bother you.

 

[Amazoniac]

@Amazoniac Do you know which vegetables do these, is it specific vegetables? My attempts at searching didn't come up with much.

Here's one example:
Effect of cruciferous vegetable consumption on heterocyclic aromatic amine metabolism in man | Carcinogenesis | Oxford Academic
There are herbs, tea, etc.

Is there an april fool in that text?

I wonder if a biologist that focuses on animals can be considered a zoophile.

thanks for the elaborate reply. yeah the cheese thing and B vitamins, that is a good reminder. i do liver, but i havent had it in a few days and my skin has been horrible lately, that might be it.

Hmm baking soda. I thought I read somewhere it can cause heart problems or something. I don't know, I have to do some research into that, I havent seen that.

Glycine I have been doing for sure, I make my own gelatin. I take probably around 16oz or so a day of gelatin from oxtail broth that I save. Taurine on the other hand, is hit or miss, I think it was causing a strong stress reaction in me at one point, so I stopped it. But might be worth it to go for again.

But yeah, if I had to describe my health condition, it is this. The constipation always there, and it always being there causing food insensitivities, but then never being able to get everything out, due to said food insensitivities, being caused by constipation. It's like a negative loop of doom that has driven me to near insanity lol. Like I can go on and track each and every nutrient exactly, but it felt like a see saw all the time. One food, and then boom, my entire digestive tract just stops moving and I'm stuck in this nightmare for like another day, but not knowing what to eat to avoid it. I'm not even fat though, it's just water retention and backed up constiapation tht doesn't come out. It's like, jesus. All this while losing my hair and having no libido and getting progressively fatter. Like WTF. Lol.

I also have to strictly adhere to no orgasm, or else the digestive tract also stops based off that. Why, I don't know, I think it is caused by the stress in the body, because when I have no more constipation, my muscles all relax, otherwise they feel really locked up. It's like, nothing can relax or chill. So an orgasm will tighten the muscles and maybe perpeatuate the loop, not giving a chance for relaxation.

Everything here makes so much sense. I am going to try lower protein today and see how it goes just drinking orange juice and vegetables and maybe some cheese and get those B vitamins in. One glass of milk though, one cheese burger, one potato, rice, and I'm knocked out for another day. Anyway, i'll see how it goes. thanks for the biccarbonate and taurine suggestions, will have to give it a go.

all the nutrient tracking, all of it doesn't matter with this problem, if i get 100 grams of protein, or zero carbs or 500 carbs, i can get every vitamin in a day, every mineral requirement, and still feel close to death with nothing moving. all that matters is getting rid of the putrification or whatever it is called. damn all right this gives me some hope man, 2 years and hitting your head against the wall was starting to take a toll.

There are reports on the forum of people overdoing it. But it's just a matter of backing off when the good effects start to stabilize. If you notice that you went too far, you can compensate to a certain degree with magnesium chloride.

Choline, manganese, pantothenic acid and creatine work together. Not much is needed.
Glycine is involved as well. Is your broth a thick dense block? Because it can contain much less than we think it has.

Problems in the gut tend to have a dysfunctional immunity component. Vit D deficiency is probably the most common cause (it's related to dry eyes, and so dry mucus in general; also vitamins A and E).
The challenging aspect is allowing what we need and blocking what we don't. This takes a great deal of discrimination and it's expensive because there needs to be constant alert. When the body is weakened, due to some stressful event for example, it can start the avalanche of bad things. This causes the body to sacrifice the parts that needs less discrimination and put all effort on parts that are being challenged. It usually ends up with decreased brain function, skin and hair problems, and a hyper of the sensitives gut.

Sometimes the fix is simple. Rayzord talked about a vacation or something like that: rest, hotel food buffet (intuitive eating), vit of the D, being spoiled by enslaved employees, relaxed schedule, leisure, romance, bromance, etc.

Short bursts of breathless exercises can be helpful as well. It's a very mild stressor that signals adaptation for improved efficiency. Kids do them often.

Like we commented, there's the option to eat greens cooked and flavored with safe fats and spices, prepared in an enjoyable way; those will prevent them from becoming too accessible for bacteria and the good taste means everything is just right. The other option is to go the savage Travisord way, and eat them raw. Another option is to eat them in the form of soups, blended purées.
Various fibers can be combined to prevent specialization, people do it often when preparing salads.

Some oranges taste like a bag of water. Producers ignore the fact that oranges have to be.. orange.
I'm mentioning this because it isn't too difficult to become deficient in folate. Most people aren't because of fortification, but on a natural diet that lacks enough leafy greens, fruits or beans, it's quite possible.

 

[InChristAlone]

You have to remember Kellogg was a seventh-day Adventist, he had a lot of dogma strung throughout his work.

Here is a satire piece about his views on sex..

"Bland and tasteless foods are the perfect antidote to carnal urges. We recommend Graham crackers and corn flakes at every meal."

"The key to a good and healthy life is sexual abstinence and a clean bowel"


He thought masturbation was self-abuse and was a big advocate for circumcision. Even going so far as to suture the penis so that it would be painful to be erect. He also recommended acid on the clitoris. His bland diet would decrease excitability.

I do tend to agree the bowels are a big source of toxicity but I am not in much agrreance that animal protein is the major cause. If digestion is good, meat is broken down very well in the stomach and fully absorbed.