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Can anyone confirm the T4:T3 ratio in Thiroyd? I have about 50 pills of Novotiral which is 5:1 so I'm interested in something with a bit higher ratio of T3.
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ecstatichamster said:post 116730 I don't put much stock in the blood tests. Except Ray says your TSH should be under 1. Seems right. Other than that, temperatures and heart rates are most important.
Sabrosura said:After three weeks (a week ago) I upped my dose to 3/4 grain daily (in three equal doses). Today I did another thryoid test
Ray Peat said:Aging, infection, trauma, prolonged cortisol excess, somatostatin, dopamine or L-dopa, adrenaline (sometimes; Mannisto, et al., 1979), amphetamine, caffeine and fever can lower TSH, apart from the effect of feedback by the thyroid hormones, creating a situation in which TSH can appear normal or low, at the same time that there is a real hypothyroidism.
sweetpeat said:post 116865Sabrosura said:After three weeks (a week ago) I upped my dose to 3/4 grain daily (in three equal doses). Today I did another thryoid test
I think it's good you are monitoring temps and pulse as well as labs. But getting lab work only one week after a dosage change is probably too soon. It can take a few weeks for the t4 in Thiroyd to build up in your system and affect the TSH and other lab readings. Waiting two weeks would be the minimum, and some people even suggest that 4-6 weeks is better.
I doubt what you experienced was a placebo effect. What commonly happens when you first start supplementing thyroid is you see a rise in metabolism, then as the body adjusts to the supplement, the metabolism seems to lower somewhat again. This usually means it's time for an increase. This see-saw effect will probably continue to happen until you reach your optimal dosage.
Also, many things can affect the TSH reading, so that makes it even more important to monitor other signs and symptoms.
Ray Peat said:Aging, infection, trauma, prolonged cortisol excess, somatostatin, dopamine or L-dopa, adrenaline (sometimes; Mannisto, et al., 1979), amphetamine, caffeine and fever can lower TSH, apart from the effect of feedback by the thyroid hormones, creating a situation in which TSH can appear normal or low, at the same time that there is a real hypothyroidism.
Yes, I think that's a correct interpretation.Sabrosura said:post 116866sweetpeat said:post 116865Sabrosura said:After three weeks (a week ago) I upped my dose to 3/4 grain daily (in three equal doses). Today I did another thryoid test
I think it's good you are monitoring temps and pulse as well as labs. But getting lab work only one week after a dosage change is probably too soon. It can take a few weeks for the t4 in Thiroyd to build up in your system and affect the TSH and other lab readings. Waiting two weeks would be the minimum, and some people even suggest that 4-6 weeks is better.
I doubt what you experienced was a placebo effect. What commonly happens when you first start supplementing thyroid is you see a rise in metabolism, then as the body adjusts to the supplement, the metabolism seems to lower somewhat again. This usually means it's time for an increase. This see-saw effect will probably continue to happen until you reach your optimal dosage.
Also, many things can affect the TSH reading, so that makes it even more important to monitor other signs and symptoms.
Ray Peat said:Aging, infection, trauma, prolonged cortisol excess, somatostatin, dopamine or L-dopa, adrenaline (sometimes; Mannisto, et al., 1979), amphetamine, caffeine and fever can lower TSH, apart from the effect of feedback by the thyroid hormones, creating a situation in which TSH can appear normal or low, at the same time that there is a real hypothyroidism.
Thanks! The see-saw effect certainly makes sense.
I should have been clearer, the before/after TSH referred to my test results before starting on the Thiroyd versus one month later (three weeks at 1/2 grain daily plus one week at 3/4 grain daily). So if I understand correctly the second test would be reflecting the initial dosage of 1/2 grain daily (the first three weeks), but probably not the last (fourth) week dosage of 3/4 grain daily.
This thread might help:Hi, I'm new here but have read everything I can find on hypothyroidism, etc. I have had what test my doctor will do TSH - T3 T4...?? Low but doctor said normal though my symptoms are extreme and constant. I would like to try the Thiroyd from Thailand or Thyroid-S, ERFA. but I don't have a prescription. I don't know much about which ones are reliable, etc. I can only go by what others are saying about how they feel each works for them. I'd like to try the Thiroyd from Thiland. Can someone PM me and let me know where to order them? Thanks for the help.
I took this for three weeks and noticed my hands started getting warmer (this was another symptom I have always had, bad peripheral circulation, my hands and feet were always cold), and sure enough my temperature started climbing up to around 98.5.
Welcome Dsvelte,Is there a forum where we can post our thyroid results for interpretation?