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Anthony Mawson PhD, president of Chalfont Research Institute is doing some good research on vitamin A:

Malaria, Epstein-Barr virus, vitamin A, and Burkitt’s lymphoma: Response to Joob and Wiwanitkit
"We hypothesized that an endogenous form of retinoid toxicity related to malaria infection may be the common factor linking frequent malaria, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and Burkitt’s lymphoma (BL). Based in part on the observation that Plasmodium falciparum selectively absorbs vitamin A from the liver,[3] the main storage organ for the vitamin, it was proposed that the merozoite-stage parasites emerging from the liver use the ingested vitamin A as a cell membrane destabilizer to enter and reproduce in the red blood cells (RBCs). It was further suggested that the subsequent release of vitamin A from the RBCs into the circulation triggers an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A, recognized as the signs and symptoms of malaria.[4] Repeated episodes of malaria would be expected to expose affected individuals to multiple toxic doses of vitamin A, particularly fatty tissues such as the brain and lymphatics. Latent EBV is also activated by the presence of excess retinoid, which in turn activates retinoid-responsive genes, thereby enhancing expression of the molecular mechanisms of BL.

...we note that low serum retinol concentrations do not necessarily indicate vitamin A deficiency, nor do they rule out vitamin A toxicity. In fact, low serum retinol may be accompanied by a high ratio of RE to total vitamin A (retinol plus esters), and the latter defines a state of toxicity when >10%.[8]"

A Role for the Liver in Parturition and Preterm Birth​

"While essential in low concentration for multiple biological functions, vitamin A in higher concentration can be pro-oxidant, mutagenic, teratogenic and cytotoxic, acting as a highly surface-active, membrane-seeking and destabilizing compound. "

Retinoid Expression in Onchocercal Skin Disease: Pilot Study​

"Second, the common clinical features of onchocerciasis (eg,pruritus, musculoskeletal pain, bone changes, lethargy, and growth arrest in children) are similarly reported following excessive intakes of vitamin A or after prolonged treatment with retinoids. Hallmarks of onchocerciasis are severe visual impairment and skin DSM. Ocular reactions to prolonged use of systemic retinoid therapy likewise include corneal opacities, disorders of refraction, and alterations in retina and optic nerve. The manifestations of DSM (depigmentation) in onchocerciasis include areas of complete pigment loss (ie, vitiligo) with islands of normal skin pigment (“leopard skin”). Consistent with the hypothesis, mice homozygous for the vitiligo (Mitf-vit) mutation experience progressive degeneration of the retina as well as uneven pigmentation of the retinal pigment epithelium (RPE), associated with significantly increased retinyl ester concentrations in eyes and liver. Retinyl palmitate is increased 5-fold in the eyes of affected mice at 10 weeks postnatally and increased 3-fold at 22 weeks of age, whereas plasma retinol levels remain in the normal range. In the mutant RPE, retinyl ester levels are significantly elevated 4-fold by postnatal week 8. By 10 weeks of age, retinaldehyde dehydrogenase and RA are significantly elevated in the neural retina of Mitf-vit mice relative to controls. The suggestion that increased RA could contribute to the retinal degeneration of Mitf-vit mice by inducing apoptosis is supported by other observations indicating that retinoids can induce apoptosis. All-trans-RA also causes moderate to complete DSM (depigmentation) of Yucatan swine skin. The appearance of skin DSM (depigmentation) and severe visual impairment in these animals, in association with increased retinyl ester and RA concentrations in skin and eyes, suggests that similar processes may be occurring in onchocerciasis."

Prostate Cancer in Mississippi: Epidemiology, risk factors, and prevention International Journal of Current Research​

"One of the largest studies on the relationship between circulating retinol concentration and prostate cancer risk, based on a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, reported a positive association between blood retinol level and the risk of prostate cancer. According to this study, the risk of both total and aggressive prostate cancer was increased by 20% in men with high circulating retinol levels.

Liver Damage and Exposure to Toxic Concentrations of Endogenous Retinoids in the Pathogenesis of COVID-19 Disease: Hypothesis
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Review of the literature reveals that COVID-19 disease closely resembles an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A.
We propose that SARS-CoV-2 virus-induced liver damage causes retinoic acid and stored retinyl esters to be released into the circulation in toxic concentrations, unbound to protein, with resulting damage to organs including the lungs, heart, blood vessels, and skin. Several lines of evidence support this model of disease causation. Subject to testing, strategies for the effective treatment and prevention of COVID-19 could include targeting the action and accumulation of retinoids."

Rubella Virus Infection, the Congenital Rubella Syndrome, and the Link to Autism

"Evidence is reviewed here suggesting that the signs and symptoms of rubella may be due to alterations in the hepatic metabolism of vitamin A (retinoids), precipitated by the acute phase of the infection. The infection causes mild liver dysfunction and the spillage of stored vitamin A compounds into the circulation, resulting in an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A. Given that vitamin A is a known teratogen, it is suggested that rubella infection occurring in the early weeks of pregnancy causes CRS through maternal liver dysfunction and exposure of the developing fetus to excessive vitamin A. On this view, the multiple manifestations of CRS and associated autism represent endogenous forms of hypervitaminosis A. It is further proposed that regressive autism results primarily from post-natal influences of a liver-damaging nature and exposure to excess vitamin A, inducing CRS-like features as a function of vitamin A toxicity, but without the associated dysmorphogenesis.

...vitamin A can be very toxic if released into the circulation unbound to protein, i.e., as retinyl esters (REs) rather than as RBP. Retinoid toxicity can occur due to excessive dietary intake, supplements, and vitamin A medications. Vitamin A intake only marginally above the recommended amount is associated with embryopathy, reduced bone mineral density in the neonate, and increased risk for hip fracture. REs destroy cell membranes and are a major source of vitamin A toxicity. Retinoid toxicity can also occur in cholestatic liver disease due to the spillage of RA into the circulation in bile and the leakage of REs into the circulation from damaged hepatocytes.


Gulf War Illness: Unifying Hypothesis for a Continuing Health Problem

"The features of GWI also overlap with those of fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome and multiple chemical sensitivity, in all of which liver dysfunction has been documented, suggesting a unifying hypothesis. It is proposed that multiple vaccinations, with concurrent or subsequent exposure to PB or additional chemical insults of a liver-damaging nature, plausibly explain the pathogenesis and the observed chronicity of GWI. The suggested mechanism for GWI is thus a chemically-induced impaired liver function, with the spillage of stored vitamin A compounds (“retinoids”) into the circulation in toxic concentrations, resulting in an endogenous chronic form of hypervitaminosis A."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ng_Hypothesis_for_a_Continuing_Health_Problem
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Anthony Mawson created a patent for diagnosing gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, and fetal growth restriction using a blood sample to identify and measure the concentrations of retinol (vitamin A alcohol), retinyl esters and retinoic acid.
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"Given that an accepted standard of hypervitaminosis A is percentage of retinyl esters >10%, the increased level found in this experiment (23.96% vs. 11.25% in the controls) supports the hypothesis that preeclampsia, gestational diabetes and FGR are expressions of an endogenous form of retinoid toxicity associated with impaired liver function, as indicated by increased liver enzymes. The model suggests that reducing liver and/or circulating levels of retinyl esters and retinoic acid could prevent and reverse these pregnancy-related conditions as well as FGR.

The results thus support the hypothesis that STZ induces hepatic dysfunction which in turn initiates the sequence of adverse events leading to GDM-PREEC-FGR and SGA via alterations in retinoid metabolism and exposure to toxic retinoid compounds released into the maternal and fetal circulation from the cholestatic liver. "
 
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Stevens-Johnson Syndrome and Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis (SJS/TEN): Could Retinoids Play a Causative Role?​

"This paper reviews evidence suggesting that the different medications implicated in SJS/TEN have the common property of interacting and synergizing with endogenous retinoids (vitamin A and its congeners), in many instances causing the latter to accumulate in and damage the liver, the main storage organ for vitamin A. It is hypothesized that liver damage leads to the spillage of toxic retinoid compounds into the circulation, resulting in an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A and cytotoxicity with widespread apoptosis, mediated by granulysin and recognized as SJS/TEN. Subject to testing, the model suggests that symptom worsening could be arrested at onset by lowering the concentration of circulating retinoids and/or granulysin via phlebotomy or plasmapheresis or by pharmacological measures to limit their expression."
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Anthony Mawson PhD, president of Chalfont Research Institute is doing some good research on vitamin A:

Malaria, Epstein-Barr virus, vitamin A, and Burkitt’s lymphoma: Response to Joob and Wiwanitkit
"We hypothesized that an endogenous form of retinoid toxicity related to malaria infection may be the common factor linking frequent malaria, Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and Burkitt’s lymphoma (BL). Based in part on the observation that Plasmodium falciparum selectively absorbs vitamin A from the liver,[3] the main storage organ for the vitamin, it was proposed that the merozoite-stage parasites emerging from the liver use the ingested vitamin A as a cell membrane destabilizer to enter and reproduce in the red blood cells (RBCs). It was further suggested that the subsequent release of vitamin A from the RBCs into the circulation triggers an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A, recognized as the signs and symptoms of malaria.[4] Repeated episodes of malaria would be expected to expose affected individuals to multiple toxic doses of vitamin A, particularly fatty tissues such as the brain and lymphatics. Latent EBV is also activated by the presence of excess retinoid, which in turn activates retinoid-responsive genes, thereby enhancing expression of the molecular mechanisms of BL.

...we note that low serum retinol concentrations do not necessarily indicate vitamin A deficiency, nor do they rule out vitamin A toxicity. In fact, low serum retinol may be accompanied by a high ratio of RE to total vitamin A (retinol plus esters), and the latter defines a state of toxicity when >10%.[8]"

A Role for the Liver in Parturition and Preterm Birth​

"While essential in low concentration for multiple biological functions, vitamin A in higher concentration can be pro-oxidant, mutagenic, teratogenic and cytotoxic, acting as a highly surface-active, membrane-seeking and destabilizing compound. "

Retinoid Expression in Onchocercal Skin Disease: Pilot Study​

"Second, the common clinical features of onchocerciasis (eg,pruritus, musculoskeletal pain, bone changes, lethargy, and growth arrest in children) are similarly reported following excessive intakes of vitamin A or after prolonged treatment with retinoids. Hallmarks of onchocerciasis are severe visual impairment and skin DSM. Ocular reactions to prolonged use of systemic retinoid therapy likewise include corneal opacities, disorders of refraction, and alterations in retina and optic nerve. The manifestations of DSM (depigmentation) in onchocerciasis include areas of complete pigment loss (ie, vitiligo) with islands of normal skin pigment (“leopard skin”). Consistent with the hypothesis, mice homozygous for the vitiligo (Mitf-vit) mutation experience progressive degeneration of the retina as well as uneven pigmentation of the retinal pigment epithelium (RPE), associated with significantly increased retinyl ester concentrations in eyes and liver. Retinyl palmitate is increased 5-fold in the eyes of affected mice at 10 weeks postnatally and increased 3-fold at 22 weeks of age, whereas plasma retinol levels remain in the normal range. In the mutant RPE, retinyl ester levels are significantly elevated 4-fold by postnatal week 8. By 10 weeks of age, retinaldehyde dehydrogenase and RA are significantly elevated in the neural retina of Mitf-vit mice relative to controls. The suggestion that increased RA could contribute to the retinal degeneration of Mitf-vit mice by inducing apoptosis is supported by other observations indicating that retinoids can induce apoptosis. All-trans-RA also causes moderate to complete DSM (depigmentation) of Yucatan swine skin. The appearance of skin DSM (depigmentation) and severe visual impairment in these animals, in association with increased retinyl ester and RA concentrations in skin and eyes, suggests that similar processes may be occurring in onchocerciasis."

Prostate Cancer in Mississippi: Epidemiology, risk factors, and prevention International Journal of Current Research​

"One of the largest studies on the relationship between circulating retinol concentration and prostate cancer risk, based on a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, reported a positive association between blood retinol level and the risk of prostate cancer. According to this study, the risk of both total and aggressive prostate cancer was increased by 20% in men with high circulating retinol levels.

Liver Damage and Exposure to Toxic Concentrations of Endogenous Retinoids in the Pathogenesis of COVID-19 Disease: Hypothesis
"
Review of the literature reveals that COVID-19 disease closely resembles an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A.
We propose that SARS-CoV-2 virus-induced liver damage causes retinoic acid and stored retinyl esters to be released into the circulation in toxic concentrations, unbound to protein, with resulting damage to organs including the lungs, heart, blood vessels, and skin. Several lines of evidence support this model of disease causation. Subject to testing, strategies for the effective treatment and prevention of COVID-19 could include targeting the action and accumulation of retinoids."

Rubella Virus Infection, the Congenital Rubella Syndrome, and the Link to Autism

"Evidence is reviewed here suggesting that the signs and symptoms of rubella may be due to alterations in the hepatic metabolism of vitamin A (retinoids), precipitated by the acute phase of the infection. The infection causes mild liver dysfunction and the spillage of stored vitamin A compounds into the circulation, resulting in an endogenous form of hypervitaminosis A. Given that vitamin A is a known teratogen, it is suggested that rubella infection occurring in the early weeks of pregnancy causes CRS through maternal liver dysfunction and exposure of the developing fetus to excessive vitamin A. On this view, the multiple manifestations of CRS and associated autism represent endogenous forms of hypervitaminosis A. It is further proposed that regressive autism results primarily from post-natal influences of a liver-damaging nature and exposure to excess vitamin A, inducing CRS-like features as a function of vitamin A toxicity, but without the associated dysmorphogenesis.

...vitamin A can be very toxic if released into the circulation unbound to protein, i.e., as retinyl esters (REs) rather than as RBP. Retinoid toxicity can occur due to excessive dietary intake, supplements, and vitamin A medications. Vitamin A intake only marginally above the recommended amount is associated with embryopathy, reduced bone mineral density in the neonate, and increased risk for hip fracture. REs destroy cell membranes and are a major source of vitamin A toxicity. Retinoid toxicity can also occur in cholestatic liver disease due to the spillage of RA into the circulation in bile and the leakage of REs into the circulation from damaged hepatocytes.


Gulf War Illness: Unifying Hypothesis for a Continuing Health Problem

"The features of GWI also overlap with those of fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome and multiple chemical sensitivity, in all of which liver dysfunction has been documented, suggesting a unifying hypothesis. It is proposed that multiple vaccinations, with concurrent or subsequent exposure to PB or additional chemical insults of a liver-damaging nature, plausibly explain the pathogenesis and the observed chronicity of GWI. The suggested mechanism for GWI is thus a chemically-induced impaired liver function, with the spillage of stored vitamin A compounds (“retinoids”) into the circulation in toxic concentrations, resulting in an endogenous chronic form of hypervitaminosis A."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ng_Hypothesis_for_a_Continuing_Health_Problem
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Correlation does not equal causation. There's an awful lot of suggesting and hypothesizing in that "research." Let me do a bit of my own. If retinoic acid is used by the body as a natural type of chemotherapy, you would expect to find it in larger than normal amounts wherever there is pathology.
 
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Correlation does not equal causation. There's an awful lot of suggesting and hypothesizing in that "research." Let me do a bit of my own. If retinoic acid is used by the body as a natural type of chemotherapy, you would expect to find it in larger than normal amounts wherever there is pathology.
Have you even read any of the studies? This is someone actually researching the toxicity of retinoids, not some dude on the internet like people are portraying this theory as. This is where Garrett Smith got his theory from. He didn't pull it out of his butt. Retinoic acid is well known to be toxic. If it is spilling out of the liver after injury then it is very probable it could cause all manner of harm. It is not being 'used' by the body to cause cell death. Read the studies.
 

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I don't usually read the studies, but I do/did read the conclusions. The presence of a firetruck where there's a fire doesn't mean it caused the fire. I stand by my earlier comment. Correlation doesn't equal causation. What I would like to know is what other "toxins" might be found where there is pathology?
 

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I don't usually read the studies, but I do/did read the conclusions. The presence of a firetruck where there's a fire doesn't mean it caused the fire. I stand by my earlier comment. Correlation doesn't equal causation. What I would like to know is what other "toxins" might be found where there is pathology?
I'm just trying to provide some balance here. I've been on this forum for a long time and hate to see it fall apart. I've been to Redditt and the Bioenergetics forum and people are leaving here like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I've noticed fewer posts and less interaction, and some RIPs. No other anti-Peat posts have provoked so many, and I've posted my share. I'll be one of the last to leave unless I get banned.
 
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Correlation does not equal causation. There's an awful lot of suggesting and hypothesizing in that "research." Let me do a bit of my own. If retinoic acid is used by the body as a natural type of chemotherapy, you would expect to find it in larger than normal amounts wherever there is pathology.
If that were true we'd see cancer being cured left and right. Quite the contrary.

Another Anthony Mawson paper on brain tumors:
"The use of retinoids (vitamin A and its congeners) in the treatment of certain tumors was originally based on the assumption that these conditions were associated with an underlying deficiency of vitamin A and that supplementation with pharmacological doses would correct the deficiency. Yet the results of retinoid treatment have been only modestly beneficial and usually short-lived. Studies also indicate that vitamin A excess and supplementation have pro-oxidant effects and are associated with increased risks of mortality from cancer and other diseases."
 
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I'm just trying to provide some balance here. I've been on this forum for a long time and hate to see it fall apart. I've been to Redditt and the Bioenergetics forum and people are leaving here like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I've noticed fewer posts and less interaction, and some RIPs. No other anti-Peat posts have provoked so many, and I've posted my share. I'll be one of the last to leave unless I get banned.
It's not surprising people are triggered. Their beloved foods, drugs and supps are being exposed for causing harm. I took a peak at the Ray Pet Inspired facebook group. Absolutely cultish over there. Just non stop ad hominen attacks against this forum. If someone has to attack the character or mental capacity of the person and not the ideas they lost already.

It isn't a sinking ship, it's toxicity being purged.
 

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If that were true we'd see cancer being cured left and right. Quite the contrary.

Another Anthony Mawson paper on brain tumors:
"The use of retinoids (vitamin A and its congeners) in the treatment of certain tumors was originally based on the assumption that these conditions were associated with an underlying deficiency of vitamin A and that supplementation with pharmacological doses would correct the deficiency. Yet the results of retinoid treatment have been only modestly beneficial and usually short-lived. Studies also indicate that vitamin A excess and supplementation have pro-oxidant effects and are associated with increased risks of mortality from cancer and other diseases."
From THIS study:
"Vitamin A is an ESSENTIAL micronutrient that regulates many biological processes through modulation of retinoic acid receptor-responsive genes, acting as a systemic anti-oxidant and participating in the modulation of diverse redox mechanisms involved in physiological and pathological
processes. However, increasing evidence from bench and
clinical studies indicates that retinoids in PHARMACOLOGICAL
amounts are neurotoxins and can induce pro-oxidant actions
that can lead to impaired brain and lung function40 and induce
cell damage, proto-oncogene activity, proliferation, and neo-plastic transformation."

I never said loading up on supplemental vitamin A was a good idea.
 

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It's not surprising people are triggered. Their beloved foods, drugs and supps are being exposed for causing harm. I took a peak at the Ray Pet Inspired facebook group. Absolutely cultish over there. Just non stop ad hominen attacks against this forum. If someone has to attack the character or mental capacity of the person and not the ideas they lost already.

It isn't a sinking ship, it's toxicity being purged.
Then can you explain why discussions about iodine, probiotics, starchy foods, uncooked veggies, etc. haven't caused similar meltdowns? I think this toxicity purging is divisive and confrontational. What causes this and why is it happening just now with the vitamin A is evil members?
 
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From THIS study:
"Vitamin A is an ESSENTIAL micronutrient that regulates many biological processes through modulation of retinoic acid receptor-responsive genes, acting as a systemic anti-oxidant and participating in the modulation of diverse redox mechanisms involved in physiological and pathological
processes. However, increasing evidence from bench and
clinical studies indicates that retinoids in PHARMACOLOGICAL
amounts are neurotoxins and can induce pro-oxidant actions
that can lead to impaired brain and lung function40 and induce
cell damage, proto-oncogene activity, proliferation, and neo-plastic transformation."

I never said loading up on supplemental vitamin A was a good idea.
You would have to look at the newer papers I posted, this one was an old one, he very clearly said any excess retinoids in the newest ones realizing that it wasn't just large supplemental doses causing this problem. And the argument that only supplements cause problems has been refuted time and time again.
 
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Then can you explain why discussions about iodine, probiotics, starchy foods, uncooked veggies, etc. haven't caused similar meltdowns? I think this toxicity purging is divisive and confrontational. What causes this and why is it happening just now with the vitamin A is evil members?
Because only a few people benefit from iodine lol. MANY Ray Peaters are seeing positive results from the #toxicbiletheory. And starchy foods have been a source of division here. There are many who still think starch is the devil.
 

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You would have to look at the newer papers I posted, this one was an old one, he very clearly said any excess retinoids in the newest ones realizing that it wasn't just large supplemental doses causing this problem. And the argument that only supplements cause problems has been refuted time and time again.
Since vitamin A helps the liver detox estrogen, I believe what is happening is people are becoming estrogen toxic. Someone posted they had gained a tremendous amount of muscle going off of A. Estrogen can do that (NOT recommended). I have a personal anecdote regarding estrogen (from soy formula) causing a child to have the muscles of a bodybuilder, without exercising. It also caused him to lose his mind and he is now incarcerated. Estrogen can do amazing things since it causes rapid cell growth and renewal. Skin and joints heal and many other issues resolve. But it can also do terrible things in the long run, as RP has warned. I expect low A people who actually stick with it to develop thyroid issues and eventually cancer.

"Vitamin A - Helps metabolize the biologically active estrogen (estradiol) to an inactive form (estrone)."
 
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Because only a few people benefit from iodine lol. MANY Ray Peaters are seeing positive results from the #toxicbiletheory. And starchy foods have been a source of division here. There are many who still think starch is the devil.
Funny, I only see a few posting a LOT. Everyone else has gone silent or left the room. Sad.
 

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Because only a few people benefit from iodine lol. MANY Ray Peaters are seeing positive results from the #toxicbiletheory. And starchy foods have been a source of division here. There are many who still think starch is the devil.
Nothing else caused a mass migration though.
 

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Then can you explain why discussions about iodine, probiotics, starchy foods, uncooked veggies, etc. haven't caused similar meltdowns? I think this toxicity purging is divisive and confrontational. What causes this and why is it happening just now with the vitamin A is evil members?
We have to remember that VA toxicity is in common, Per reviewed , PUb MED , medical journals. There is no debate anywhere in mainstream medical literature that VA toxicity exist. Grant Genereux hardly used any of Anthony Mawsons studies in his books. It was from other leads, observations, anecdotal evidence, faulty studies, ect. Now combine that with Mawson, Peat, Smith, Genereux teachings. VA is not something to take lightly. Not even with Ray Peat , who has many quotes about the dangers of VA toxicity.
 

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"Our results also show that low doses and high doses of retinoic acid may respectively cause cell cycle arrest and apoptosis of cancer cells. Also, the common cell cycle inhibiting protein, p27, and the new cell cycle regulator, Cdk5, are involved in retinoic acid’s effects. These results provide new evidence indicating that the molecular mechanisms of/in retinoic acid may control cancer cells’ fates. Since high doses of retinoic acid may lead to cytotoxicity, it is probably best utilized as a potential supplement in one’s daily diet to prevent or suppress cancer progression."
"Under normal circumstances in the body, retinoic acid does preventive work against cancer formation. After cancer formation, retinoic acid becomes an attacker to cancer cells, one that blocks their growth and division and also triggers their differentiation and death through specific pathways."

 

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I'm just trying to provide some balance here. I've been on this forum for a long time and hate to see it fall apart. I've been to Redditt and the Bioenergetics forum and people are leaving here like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I've noticed fewer posts and less interaction, and some RIPs. No other anti-Peat posts have provoked so many, and I've posted my share. I'll be one of the last to leave unless I get banned.
This forum is stronger then ever, the healing capacity of this place has increased exponentially. It is not about the quantity of the posts, its the quality. And the posts coming out of here as of late are leading people to Regeneration and Restoration. Instead of always trying to refute, I ask you to consider the evidence presented by Grant Genereux in his free books. And the evidence of the people receiving incredible healing from the low toxin lifestyle. If all you are going to try and do is refute it all the time you are swimming up river and eventually it is going to over take you. So instead of being in constant refute mode either help us or I respectfully ask you to stand aside.
 

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This forum is stronger then ever, the healing capacity of this place has increased exponentially. It is not about the quantity of the posts, its the quality. And the posts coming out of here as of late are leading people to Regeneration and Restoration. Instead of always trying to refute, I ask you to consider the evidence presented by Grant Genereux in his free books. And the evidence of the people receiving incredible healing from the low toxin lifestyle. If all you are going to try and do is refute it all the time you are swimming up river and eventually it is going to over take you. So instead of being in constant refute mode either help us or I respectfully ask you to stand aside.
Wow.

I'm one who actually tried the protocol a few years ago. I don't do anything halfway and neither my husband nor I noticed any changes, good or bad.
 
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