The Social Fabric In Western Countries May Be Unraveling

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    In one of Peat's recent newsletters he mentioned that there is an epidemic of mental disease in the population because the evil system these people live is preventing them from living their lives "meaningfully, creatively". A recent study corroborated Peat's writings on the truly abysmal state of mental health of young people.
    Half Of Millennials And 75% Of Gen Zers May Be Mentally Ill

    Add to that the growing nutritional, financial, emotional, intellectual, and other scarcities and I am surprised the findings of the study below were not even worse. Actually, I suspect the the raw findings were more bleak but as it happens with studies of that character the data gets "massaged" in order to present a more "palatable" picture. The rule to not promote panic is somewhat followed in scientific studies, even if it means fudging the raw data a bit. Interestingly, the exact opposite seems to be true in politics where all kinds of lies and frauds are concocted precisely in order to promote panic in the general population. The COVID-19 fiasco is the latest and perhaps most global example of the latter. While Peat called the mental health deterioration issue an "epidemic" in his newsletter, I find the word "unraveling" (that the article author uses below) a much more appropriate term.
    The study below confirms yet again the troubling trend I have been posting about - i.e. that the mental health is worst in the youngest sections of society and in a certain sense, there are no "young" people any more. Everybody is sick and the "young" are, shockingly, the sickest. Case in point - while a (stunning in its own right) 41% of the general population reports having at least one mental health disorder, almost 63% of the younger people report the same. This age-related disease "inversion" is corroborated by the suicide ideation rates where a striking 10% of the population is seriously considering suicide, while a stunning 25% of the younger people report the same. While the study is based on a US population, recent studies in European countries have produced similar findings, which makes the issue one of global proportions/significance. It is little wonder that the author of the popular press article concludes that the social fabric may be "Fraying Severely, if Not Unraveling". The author deserves further credit for pointing out that this absolute health catastrophe does NOT originate with the "pandemic", even though it is certainly not helped by it. These problems have been evident for a VERY long time and the public health authorities have been acting with suspicious nonchalance, as if almost wanting them to happen. Considering the deliberate destruction of the environment we live in, I would venture a guess that in this case there is probably more malice than stupidity. After all, these mental health patients will have to be treated and that means more profits and higher GDP. For the current system, there is profit even in death...maybe especially so. Now, speaking of the pandemic, the article contains another gem. One of the doctors interviewed by the journalist opined that the major causes of this catastrophe are self-imposed and have to do with isolation, lack of community / support, lack of real relationships, and ever-increasing financial burden for the average citizen. Maybe I am delusional, but I can't help but notice that the "measures" imposed on everybody with the ostensible goal of dealing with this "pandemic" dramatically aggravate all of those factors, and many cases introduce them even if they were not there before.
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    The Social Fabric of the U.S. Is Fraying Severely, if Not Unravelling

    "...Lurking beneath the headlines justifiably devoted to these major stories of 2020 are very troubling data that reflect intensifying pathologies in the U.S. population — not moral or allegorical sicknesses but mental, emotional, psychological and scientifically proven sickness. Many people fortunate enough to have survived this pandemic with their physical health intact know anecdotally — from observing others and themselves — that these political and social crises have spawned emotional difficulties and psychological challenges. But the data are nonetheless stunning, in terms of both the depth of the social and mental health crises they demonstrate and the pervasiveness of them. Perhaps the most illustrative study was one released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention earlier this month, based on an extensive mental health survey of Americans in late June. One question posed by researchers was whether someone has “seriously considered suicide in the past 30 days”— not fleetingly considered it as a momentary fantasy nor thought about it ever in their lifetime, but seriously considered suicide at least once in the past 30 days. The results are staggering. For Americans between 18-24 years old, 25.5 percent — just over 1 out of every 4 young Americans — said they had. For the much larger group of Americans ages 25-44, the percentage was somewhat lower but still extremely alarming: 16 percent. A total of 18.6 percent of Hispanic Americans and 15 percent of African Americans said they had seriously considered suicide in the past month. The two groups with the largest percentage who said yes: Americans with less than a high school degree and unpaid caregivers, both of whom have 30 percent — or almost 1 out of every 3 — who answered in the affirmative. A full 10 percent of the U.S. population generally had seriously contemplated suicide in the month of June."

    "...In a remotely healthy society, one that provides basic emotional needs to its population, suicide and serious suicidal ideation are rare events. It is anathema to the most basic human instinct: the will to live. A society in which such a vast swath of the population is seriously considering it as an option is one which is anything but healthy, one which is plainly failing to provide its citizens the basic necessities for a fulfilling life. The alarming CDC data extends far beyond serious suicidal desires. It also found that “40.9% of respondents reported at least one adverse mental or behavioral health condition, including symptoms of anxiety disorder or depressive disorder (30.9%), symptoms of a trauma- and stressor-related disorder (TSRD) related to the pandemic (26.3%), and having started or increased substance use to cope with stress or emotions related to COVID-19 (13.3%).” For the youngest part of the adult population, ages 18-24, significantly more than half (62.9 percent) reported suffering from depressive or anxiety disorders."

    "...But what makes these trends all the more disturbing is that they long predated the arrival of the coronavirus crisis, to say nothing of the economic catastrophe left in its wake and the social unrest from this year’s protest movement. Indeed, since at least the financial crisis of 2008, when first the Bush administration and then the Obama administration acted to protect the interests of the tycoons who caused it while allowing everyone else to wallow in debt and foreclosures, the indicia of collective mental health in the U.S. have been blinking red. In 2018, NBC News, using health insurance studies, reported thatmajor depression is on the rise among Americans from all age groups, but is rising fastest among teens and young adults.” In 2019, the American Psychological Association published a study documenting a 30 percent increase “in the rate of death by suicide in the United States between 2000 and 2016, from 10.4 to 13.5 per 100,000 people” and a 50 percent increase “in suicides among girls and women between 2000 and 2016.” It noted: “Suicide was the 10th-leading cause of death in the United States in 2016. It was the second-leading cause of death among people ages 10 to 34 and the fourth-leading cause among people ages 35 to 54.”

    "...In March 2020, the New Yorker’s Atul Gawande published a survey of data from two Princeton economists, Anne Case and Angus Deaton, under the headline: “Why Americans Are Dying from Despair: the unfairness of our economy, two economists argue, can be measured not only in dollars but in deaths.” The decades long economic stagnation for Americans, the reversal of the American Dream, and the shockingly high mass unemployment ushered in by the pandemic are obviously significant reasons why these pathologies are rapidly worsening now."

    "...One answer was provided by Dr. Laurel Williams, chief of psychiatry at Texas Children’s Hospital, to NBC when discussing the rise of depression: “There’s a lack of community. There’s the amount of time that we spend in front of screens and not in front of other people. If you don’t have a community to reach out to, then your hopelessness doesn’t have any place to go.” That answer is similar to the one offered by the brilliant book on depression and modern western societies by Johann Hari, “Lost Connections,” along with his viral TED Talk on the same topic: namely, it is precisely the attributes that define modern Western societies that are crafted perfectly to deprive humans of their most pressing emotional needs (a book by Hari on addiction, “Chasing the Scream,” and an even-more-viral TED Talk about it, sounds a similar theme about why Americans are turning in horrifyingly large numbers to serious problems of substance abuse). Much attention is devoted to lamenting the toxicity of our discourse, the hate-driven polarization of our politics, and the fragmentation of our culture. But it is difficult to imagine any other outcome in a society that is breeding so much psychological and emotional pathology by denying to its members the things they most need to live fulfilling lives."
     
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    COVID is only an accelerant there though. We were trending in that direction regardless of any pandemic/lockdown.

    In some ways COVID may even be a blessing as it wakes more people up and avoids the "boiling frog" syndrome where they never realize what's happening
     
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    Oh dear, I wonder what group has been plotting against the interests of Western Civilisation for more than a century
     
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    I hate to say it, but the young people today are often the sickest, it seems to me. Of course, that is must my impression, and this forum is not representative of any larger population. But so many posts of troubled young people with problems of depression, anhedonia, malaise, general dissatisfaction, etc. etc.

    I think it's a combination of social media and constant electronic devices, and probably high speed video porn, all before the brain has had a chance to form more "normal" neural connections.

    I grew up reading books, and at a slower pace, before the era of electronic devices, and I think I am much stronger because of it.
     
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    Social media addiction, and pornography addiction.. The brain consistently seeking novelty. So much novelty boundaries need to be crossed, words get redefined, new trends get set. People so blind to their addictions, they distract themselves away from them with more escapism, finding more novelty, and stimulus elsewhere. From the movie the Hurtlocker - War is a drug. Fighting is a drug. Arsonry is a drug. Sadism and masochism are drugs. People are now turning into leeches, sucking onto whatever makes them feel alive, and it hides behind that leftist virtuous plight.

    In regards to mental health, the limelight should not be placed on suicide, it should be placed on collective groups of suffering, which are of a greater proportion than suicide statistics. Black Lives Matter, and Antifa, are two such groups.

    More and more with what I come to face about the economy, and how it has been a bubble for since 2008. So many industries, cars, restaurants, healthcare, retail, the changes in ecommerce, new generational demographics, commercial real estate bubble, and more all listed here http://www.thebubblebubble.com/

    To combat this mental health crisis, and to quite down many social and economic policies. There is absolutely no doubt in mind that there will be Universal Basic Income for all citizens. The post office recently took out blockchain patent. This counts as a bank account and voter ID. The US Post Office Files a Patent for a Blockchain-Based Voting System | The Daily Hodl

    And to the extent of if they want to get rid of all cash, they can do that, but that will come with a price globally, and will be a massive endeavor. Then social profiles start building around how the UBI is being used and then from there it gets ominous as well.

    All I can see is national socialism, while we go through an unbelievable technological change in transportation, healthcare, media, finance, and business opportunities - restructuring the economy, restructuring the world economy. Even more so when we see the literal collapse of liberal cities, pensions, devalued home prices in these areas, jobs being remotely sourced nationwide.

    The economic realities are absolutely troubling. And many of the young liberal millennial's will not have the fortitude to change when there is absolutely no need for their soft science degrees and their idealistic world views, where they are now all lumped together with no job aspects.
     
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    Do you think it is purely an attitude/worldview problem? What if those are the result of compromised health from both inheriting a suboptimal health state from their parents and then having that decline even more while growing up eating crap and living unstimulating, fake lives? In my experience, people are open to change/adaptation if they can "afford" it energetically. The attitude/views certainly does not help but it could be just a defense reaction.
     
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    Kali Yuga moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
     
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    And I really bought into this being the "Age of Aquarius" bull**** lol
     
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    What is the extent of your field research, though? Are you a teacher or a parent? While it’s difficult not to discern specific things among a cohort (I do this all the time, too), at the end of the day, I have to admit that I spend no time with these people. Most of the young people I have interacted with seem strangely social and well adjusted; well beyond their years or where I was at that age, and may possibly run circles around me in an office. Let’s hold out hope for the youth (and hope they don’t resent us for the s*** world we have given them).
     
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    Very kitsch of you to defend and play the role of devil's advocate. But not nice to blame.

    There were widespread rallies by the youth around the country then against the Vietnam War though.

    Are you seeing any youth rally against the perpetual regime change wars these days?

    But I'm not blaming them.
     
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    It's college.

    It's public school and college leaving young people with an insane amount of helplessness and futility. Being forced to do things you find hard, boring, and irrelevant every day.

    I am so sure that this is the number one problem, probably even more than bad food.
     
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    I think trust is the missing piece and subversion has taken over like Yuri Bezmenov predicted. For millennials in the middle class, they witnessed 2008 from the 6th to college years. This is when many divorces happened around this time. The wives, would get child support, the mortgage in total or half paid, and also the splitting of assets. It was also emphasized how much a college education was needed, so you wouldn't lose your job in a recessions. I'm sure you know this book Rich Dad Poor Dad. And it's like most of the generation was raised by the Poor dad, who was a teacher, I believe.

    As for inheriting a sub-optimal health state from parents, and having that decline later on from nutrition, life style and relationships. In different populations you see different things. White trash trailer park rats are Pro Trump, Pro America, trying to learn and be better. In Black communities in every major city, that have been failed by public education, raised without fathers, and learned no discipline from their single mother taking care of other siblings, enabled by the welfare state, because her way to live was to hunt down child support checks, to assist with a low income job. It's totally different worlds. Latino populations with father figures tend to do far better than the black community.

    We can probably say that most Asians and Indians don't necessarily have an optimal inherited health state from past generations of being poor farmers, but nonetheless most have an aptitude for intelligence because of cultural expectations, integrated families. But in the end no child is safe, or any culture or background, to be put into an indoctrinating environment. If there is one thing that the system has mastered, it's indoctrination techniques, emotion, no right and wrong answers, short scenarios of 'what would you do' with no consequences.

    The indoctrination system establishes intuition, a collective one, that then becomes ideals, where they can finally place their trust, and also trust with other people in that same group, often with group projects. We've seen a disintegration of family, and family generational occupations. One culture/religion that has absolutely embodied this, are the Jews. The family is centered around religion and tradition, and the family grows stronger when they work together, as lawyers, doctors, accountants, etc.

    There is almost a micro and a macro force to this. The micro being the family. The macro being the government, state, organization, etc. We were at a time where there was no micro, and macro directives /hope for many people. In terms of all behavior, the greatest precedent to evolutionary change, is fear. The Gazelle runs from the lion, because of obvious fear and pain. The lion runs after the gazelle out of fear of not feeding itself, or it's pride. I think in our culture we are missing fear. Fear of another pearl harbor, Fear of another 9/11. Fear of a truly oppressive government. These acts brought together many people in solidarity to address a common threat.

    For change to happen, there needs to be a common threat, or the collective needs to oust the individual as seen in many religious communities, amish, quaker, mormon etc, or the individual needs to leave the collective often by having self confidence/ positive imagination. The ideas of trust, fear/love, and individualism after leaving a collective is all there, and may just be the spark of it all. I think some sort of catecholamine deficiency or de-sensitivity is there. As far as cultural spiritual journeys go, it may be possible that psychoactive substances can play a role in this journey. Burning incense is so vital to religious worship, it's almost as if the incense has some sort or neural effect, often associated with calmness as sage is described.

    Sure there is a cultural identity attached to things, as well as a parental one or lack of one, and an educational one or lack of one, that can be influenced in a variety of different regions and school systems, but also a nationalist endeavor - war justified or not, or national despair - recession/sickness, or true oppression from a government.

    It's almost as if belief systems have become an addiction, and they have, because they have empowered powerless individuals, most notably women and effeminate weak men. In one narrative they are powerless and useless. In their narrative they are on a virtuous path for equality. As for an American inherited health state. A mother on SSRI's, A mother that gets pregnant when birth control fails, A mother and father that conceived with alcoholic influence, A mother not carrying prenatal nutritional. MTHFR defects in white populations, loading kids up with iron cereal, vaccines, and attention and anxiety meds. This result is more or less autistic, apolitical, and dysfunctional.

    It seems more or less there is this estrogen vs testosterone battle. The claimed battle of the sexes. I think testosterone and certain hormones, are in fact the missing energetic catalysts to rewiring catecholamines/neurotransmitters.
    Testosterone Induces Molecular Changes in Dopamine Signaling Pathway Molecules in the Adolescent Male Rat Nigrostriatal Pathway
    "Adolescent males have an increased risk of developing schizophrenia, implicating testosterone in the precipitation of dopamine-related psychopathology"

    I think the very wide and long list of schizophrenic symptoms, make this a truly viable diagnosis and focus, rather than generalized depression, because people will often adopt neurotic, delusional, ideals and behaviors to become 'empowered' again. Often the whole mental illness classification can be summarized as almost a cluster of symptoms with dominating traits.

    It seems like the left is cultivating paranoid schizophrenia, we just call it fake news. I think UBI will give these people a sense of relief but it will also be weaponized distinctly, if they want to protest with no job, as there will be sponsored agitators and major police crack downs. They will become second class 'felonized citizens', and will continue on toward their martyrdom. As a paranoid schizophrenic ' trump derangement syndrome ' would include. I'm also wondering how tear gas effects/ reinforces behavior.

    The best thing that I can find relative is r vs k traits, can even find like minded opinions on the matter since I did not author this picture.[​IMG]
     
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    There's no draft now and leftism ditched the anti war focus because there was/is a minor and potentially ruinous schism about issues like Assad, Burma, India and what to do with them. The situations are just incomparable
     
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    True that there's no draft now. Smart of the establishment to remove that and let the plebes fight the wars.

    College kids now focus on inconsequential issues. By design.

    That's why I don't blame them. Plus, they've been programmed - biologically (such as estrogen flooding in the food system) and psychologically (SSRI's) and ideologically (public school system).
     
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    Yes.
     
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    As an armchair scholar of Western Decline, I would say that we are in the midst of a "perfect storm" of overlapping anti-civilizational forces. The West is compromised on chemical, biological, psychological, social, and spiritual levels.

    -Increasing environmental toxins
    -Weakening of bodies by sedentarism/hedonism/automation/addiction
    -Accumulation of deleterious genetic material
    -Disconnect from reality due to media, propagated narratives of history, and corruption of science
    -Social atomization, fragmented communities
    -Dissolution of time-tested hierarchies and gutting of old social institutions
    -Pathological altruism/absence of positive ethnocentrism
    -Failure to teach discipline and foster desirable traits in young people
    -Mockery/inversion of transcendent values (i.e beauty, justice, and truth)
    -Deconstructive "philosophy"/critical theory
    -24/7 Propaganda & Distraction
    -Absence of religious social foundation, desacralization of life
    -Destruction and repudiation of normal, complementary sexual dynamics and the family as a basic social unit
    -Technology worship
    -Consumerism
    -Oversocialization and narcissism caused by excessive levels of digital connectedness
    -The trivialization of anything and everything by media and the Internet
    -Regurgitative education system with abysmal standards
    -Rigid ideological frameworks crushing creativity and thought

    Sorry for shilling Charlton thrice in one post, but I really like his stuff.
     
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    You cant intelligently discuss programming or how or why its happening without mention of the political forces (as opposed to the ordinary practitioners) of protestantism and jewry. Thats probably out of bounds for this forum IMHO but as a uni student I can say that the stress/pressure is real, both social and environmental. I eat a diet I've developed over years while living in my own home and it still gets irksome, cant imagine what it's like for people who are dead broke, have few social connections to where they go and cant afford food that's fit for humans.
     
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    This ^^^^
     
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    Which group is this?
     
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