Height is NOT genetic - UK's drastic drop in height due to austerity, poor diet

[Peatress]

Gotta account for the fact that white anglo men are choosing to have children with tiny neotenous east and southeast asian women en masse. UK, Canada, west coast USA, Australia will be HAPA by 2060. It might take other white countries 10-15 years longer because their men don't select for neoteny as aggressively as anglo men do.

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[Nfinkelstein]

Ray said that he grew an inch after taking thyroid for a decade (40 to 50 years of age).

I've always been a bit doubtful of whether RP meant his bones actually grew (I think this would be unlikely) or conversely if his spine alignment improved and possibly more lubrication (fluid) between vertebrae (seems most likely imo). Any insight?

 

[shucknchuck]

I've always been a bit doubtful of whether RP meant his bones actually grew (I think this would be unlikely) or conversely if his spine alignment improved and possibly more lubrication (fluid) between vertebrae (seems most likely imo). Any insight?

Yeah, it’s in the air for me.

However, given bone material turns over every 3 months I absolutely insist I believe it’s possible, lol.

 

[David PS]

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[EustaceBagge]

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PeatBot: Yes, thyroid hormone can play a role in height growth. In individuals who are chronically hypothyroid (meaning they have low levels of thyroid hormone), their growth is often deficient. Taking thyroid supplements can help normalize their growth and allow them to reach a normal height. On the other hand, individuals with excessive growth hormone levels, such as those with acromegaly, may experience a reduction in symptoms when they take a thyroid supplement. So, while thyroid hormone can influence height growth, it is important to note that there are various factors involved in determining an individual's height, including genetics and overall health.

I think this may have give us clues towards animals and humans in cold climates being bigger than their tropical counterparts. Siberian tigers, polar bears, north-european people are generally bigger. It doesn't explain eskimo's though.

 

[lvysaur]

Isn't the ability for a whole nation to obtain wealth (even the lowest "social castes"), partially correlated with IQ?

Partially, but to a forgettable extent. For example, Japanese have a much higher IQ than whites by any measure, yet they were never anywhere near as rich. Vietnamese also have higher than white IQ when looking at polygenic data (brought down by 3rd world conditions)

 

[David PS]

I think this may have give us clues towards animals and humans in cold climates being bigger than their tropical counterparts. Siberian tigers, polar bears, north-european people are generally bigger. It doesn't explain eskimo's though.

I am finding the same thing. Peatbot does not provide a 100% correct answer but hints at some other thing. Some people see the glass as not being full and dismiss peatbot as totally worthless because it is missing the answer.

Nor does it explain the size of the yeti.

Yeti - Wikipedia

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[ursidae]

I think this may have give us clues towards animals and humans in cold climates being bigger than their tropical counterparts. Siberian tigers, polar bears, north-european people are generally bigger. It doesn't explain eskimo's though.

icelanders and scots are small people, while warmer climate balkan people are much taller than them.

Dinaric Alps inhabitants are the tallest in europe (and I think in the world), taller than the dutch.

There's also exceptionally tall and exceptionally short tribes in africa

 

[EustaceBagge]

icelanders and scots are small people, while balkan people are much taller than them
seen it with my own eyes

I believe you. It might be genetic or diet related. But it still doesn't explain the polar bear/siberian tiger, in general all animals that have a cold-environment adapted counterpart.

 

[Peachy]

My mom and her three siblings are a good example of this.

They grew up in Siberia (Dutch descent). The older two (my mom and a brother) went through puberty there. Food was scarce.

The family moved to Canada right before the younger two (a girl and boy) hit puberty. So their diet was much higher in calories. I remember hearing they drank a lot more milk.

The older siblings are average height (female - 5’5” and male - 5’9”) and have disproportionately big hands and feet as if they didn’t grow into their paws. The younger are tall (female - 5’10” and male - 6’4”). A lot taller than their parents.

 

[shucknchuck]

Partially, but to a forgettable extent. For example, Japanese have a much higher IQ than whites by any measure, yet they were never anywhere near as rich. Vietnamese also have higher than white IQ when looking at polygenic data (brought down by 3rd world conditions)

The reason I offered pushback on your initial comment, was ultimately because I disagree that they had elevated IQ because they were rich (not made in my initial comment) - which I disagree with, but I also disagree that that's only a small accomplishment; I do believe that high IQ does contribute to wealth creation.
I'll keep it simple: I think Western Europe did discipline themselves into creating a collection of societies so good, that they are enjoying one of the biggest migrant-trade imbalances the world has seen, lol. I personally believe that being disciplined ultimately increases IQ anywhere in the world (and an argument could be made for technological alleviation of labor, affording more "meaningful/smart" work). While wages indeed lowered - all Norwegians were still going to school and having financial needs met (I'd also argue of course, some liberalisms in those schools contributing to the decline).

The IQ drop is being observed across the West.
My own theory is the lack of discipline (also a fundamentally modern-liberal idea). This lack of discipline is afforded by removing requirements for basic self-sufficiency of survival, aka welfare, which happened to be created in Norway between 1945-70.

The development of the Norwegian welfare state, 1945-1970

The vision of a welfare community that provided the people with social security from ‘cradle to grave’ was largely realised in the period between 1945 and 1970. The development of a Norwegian welfare state was part of broader international commitments to meet the need for social security in a...

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Welfare/socialism is basically proto-UBI, which serves to make people useless. It creates the pig-morality: "as long as I get food, sex, and fresh mud, I'm a happy piggy." Removing a social axiom of perpetual growth toward max-potential (as is the case when one is required to work for survival), will do a number on the brain for creativity (which I believe to be the soil of intelligence). I don't mean this in the Darwinian version of survival of the fittest (which I believe to be stress-unto-brutalist survival). I believe both examples can be found in societies throughout history.

As an aside: When we leave all the support of white countries' accomplishments to white supremacists, it serves to make some otherwise normal whites (especially the disaffected) sympathetic to actual white supremacist ideas - maybe think more Jordan B Petersonian about this?

 

[Peatress]

My mom and her three siblings are a good example of this.

They grew up in Siberia (Dutch descent). The older two (my mom and a brother) went through puberty there. Food was scarce.

The family moved to Canada right before the younger two (a girl and boy) hit puberty. So their diet was much higher in calories. I remember hearing they drank a lot more milk.

The older siblings are average height (female - 5’5” and male - 5’9”) and have disproportionately big hands and feet as if they didn’t grow into their paws. The younger are tall (female - 5’10” and male - 6’4”). A lot taller than their parents.

This makes sense.

I've always wanted to be taller - I'm tall but I suspect I could have been taller. Didn't drink much milk growing up and in my 20's I went dairy free.

 

[Peachy]

This makes sense.

I've always wanted to be taller - I'm tall but I suspect I could have been taller. Didn't drink much milk growing up and in my 20's I went dairy free.

I hated milk (and still do) but my mom had it on her radar and made sure I ate cheese, yogurt and ice cream regularly. Maybe that’s partly why I ended up taller than both my parents (5’9”). Though my dad likes to puff his chest and pretend that’s not the case.

I didn’t eat much dairy in my 20s either. Sadly.

 

[lvysaur]

I disagree that they had elevated IQ because they were rich (not made in my initial comment) - which I disagree with

You're disagreeing with a provable fact, then.
African Americans and all Europeans have IQs that are far above their polygenic expectation. This is due to them living in 1st world conditions.

Being wealthy (up to an extent) makes you smarter. Being deficient in protein, meat, clean water, make you dumber. By anywhere from 10-20 IQ points. (the Chinese IQ increases were 9 points, and they have some of the smallest raises due to their high polygenic potential)

I do believe that high IQ does contribute to wealth creation.

This is also true, to an extent. However, when you consider both avenues of causation:

- Being rich makes you smarter
- Being smart makes you richer

which one of these is MORE true? (assuming that "smart" is defined by IQ scores and "rich" by net worth).
Living a 1st world lifestyle will automatically give a 3rd world person a 10 point (or higher) IQ boost. Will being a genius automatically make you rich? Would you rather have an IQ of 120 and be destitute? Or an IQ of 80 and be a multimillionaire? These are rhetorical questions.

Wealth matters more than smarts. Smarts can "create" certain types of wealth, but they can't create resources. They can only create wealth by finding more efficient ways to move around resources. Like efficiently distributing water in a farm or metal in an aircraft. And once you find such a way, those smarts stop mattering, because anybody can copy your method.

Removing a social axiom of perpetual growth toward max-potential (as is the case when one is required to work for survival), will do a number on the brain for creativity

"Perpetual growth toward max potential" is just slavery and serfdom, which causes lower IQs (and lower health overall)

And as for "creativity", white IQs were higher when a greater proportion of whites were in manufacturing jobs, which is mostly rote work with low creativity and cognitive load. Only a small portion of the populace actually did creative work like design or management.

White IQs started dropping in the 1970s, which was when wages also started dropping, and when height also started dropping.

I'll keep it simple: I think Western Europe did discipline themselves into creating a collection of societies so good

Discipline had almost nothing to do with it, sheer luck of the draw (the Americas) had everything to do with it. The only comparisons you can objectively make after 1492 are between the western European countries.

 

[EustaceBagge]

You're disagreeing with a provable fact, then.
African Americans and all Europeans have IQs that are far above their polygenic expectation. This is due to them living in 1st world conditions.

Being wealthy (up to an extent) makes you smarter. Being deficient in protein, meat, clean water, make you dumber. By anywhere from 10-20 IQ points. (the Chinese IQ increases were 9 points, and they have some of the smallest raises due to their high polygenic potential)


This is also true, to an extent. However, when you consider both avenues of causation:

- Being rich makes you smarter
- Being smart makes you richer

which one of these is MORE true? (assuming that "smart" is defined by IQ scores and "rich" by net worth).
Living a 1st world lifestyle will automatically give a 3rd world person a 10 point (or higher) IQ boost. Will being a genius automatically make you rich? Would you rather have an IQ of 120 and be destitute? Or an IQ of 80 and be a multimillionaire? These are rhetorical questions.

Wealth matters more than smarts. Smarts can "create" certain types of wealth, but they can't create resources. They can only create wealth by finding more efficient ways to move around resources. Like efficiently distributing water in a farm or metal in an aircraft. And once you find such a way, those smarts stop mattering, because anybody can copy your method.


"Perpetual growth toward max potential" is just slavery and serfdom, which causes lower IQs (and lower health overall)

And as for "creativity", white IQs were higher when a greater proportion of whites were in manufacturing jobs, which is mostly rote work with low creativity and cognitive load. Only a small portion of the populace actually did creative work like design or management.

White IQs started dropping in the 1970s, which was when wages also started dropping, and when height also started dropping.


Discipline had almost nothing to do with it, sheer luck of the draw (the Americas) had everything to do with it. The only comparisons you can objectively make after 1492 are between the western European countries.

Society would be a better place if kids were fed a high dairy high meat diet from the beginning of their puberty. A much better place. It would most likely reduce transgenderism as well as stuff like childhood gyno or most acne cases. A sad world we live in.

 

[shucknchuck]

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[shucknchuck]

You're disagreeing with a provable fact, then.
African Americans and all Europeans have IQs that are far above their polygenic expectation. This is due to them living in 1st world conditions.

Being wealthy (up to an extent) makes you smarter.

This feels like “Begging the question,” to me. Sorry, I don’t have time to rebut it, lol. Sorry that seems like a cheap reply, but I just want to leave that thought.

"Perpetual growth toward max potential" is just slavery and serfdom, which causes lower IQs (and lower health overall)

Freedom in hell is not better than servitude in heaven — Your Assertions notwithstanding.

Obedience is internal, and eternal, peace. I know modern thought hates this — It hates all things that require denial of the self, right now.

And as for "creativity", white IQs were higher when a greater proportion of whites were in manufacturing jobs, which is mostly rote work with low creativity and cognitive load. Only a small portion of the populace actually did creative work like design or management.

Complete agreement. This is actually functionally the same as serfdom. I don’t think there’s much better in life than humbly following the instruction of an elder (more disciplined than the young, btw) and going out to chop hay, providing for your family and community. I think this is the conduit by which the bottom classes can experience true liberation and creative outlet without risk. Historically, kings had most affection for this class of people. These people have zero pride or illusions of grandeur — perfect humans. God enjoys them more than selfish-ambitioned humans, as well.

Discipline had almost nothing to do with it

I mean which society could advance better and most effectively elevate IQ’s:
The slothful ones, or, The disciplined ones?
I think anyone not married to their libertarianesque ideology can feel the truth rattling their bones. I mean check out a map of national iq’s in Europe. The ones who have a word in their language for afternoon wine-break, and stay up til 11 on weekdays at coffee cafes, have lower iq’s than the northern ones.

Do you sympathize with some libertarian ideas? I found that it made me seek and/or aspire to spontaneous/organic evolutions of growth, more than disciplined intentionality, because discipline is fundamentally authoritarian — and I hated authoritarianism, as a good libertarian.

I’m getting off rpf, so unless I see a reply before I close my account, I obviously can’t reply; so it was good chatting!

 

[LA]

I think anyone not married to their libertarianesque ideology can feel the truth rattling their bones. I mean check out a map of national iq’s in Europe. The ones who have a word in their language for afternoon wine-break, and stay up til 11 on weekdays at coffee cafes, have lower iq’s than the northern ones.

I agree with that and although you may have already dropped out I will leave these remarks:
I could read and write at 8th grade level when I was in the 3rd grade. I was doing bookkeeping by the time I was 12. I have no problems getting work.
MY FAMILY WAS NOT RICH. We simply had old-time values, mom, dad and kids being watched over while dad was at work.

Education is the answer to higher IQs along with as a healthy diet and a stable society. Also, how about trying to encourage people to wait until they are married in order to have kids?

Most people are brainwashed into blowing all their earnings on BS instead of saving money for important things that promote healthy survival; spiritually, mentally, physically emotionally

Norway is a mess due to the problems of extreme liberal/socialist guilt which produced de-facto discrimination and genocide against white people. Their policies produced Anders Breivik. He reacted with knee-jerk rage. His rage was enhanced by not having a father in the house

The greatest Lawyer I have ever personally seen in action was a Black American, Johnnie Cochran, who passed all his legal tests at the top of the class. He was one of the best attorneys that ever existed in the USA and he did not get pushed ahead due to a skin color. He did not have affirmative action - he was educated, guided and loved by his parents

When the Government starts giving out reparations to all the black people who are pissed off for being brought to the USA then the USA needs to pay off the descendants of those men who lost their lives in the Civil War fighting for the end of slavery and my great-grandfather was one of them

When Alex Haley the author "Roots" went to Africa to find out about his ancestors he asked the head-tribal Leader why did you sell us (or American blacks) on the slave markets.
The 100% Black African Leader told him - (paraphrased) we sold the losers after they had attacked other tribes AND LOST.
Paraphrased: We sold all of the male adults otherwise if we kept them here they would cause of trouble in the future. We kept any healthy boys who were young enough to forget their birth parents and would make good members of a tribe, we kept any women who could be added to a household to do the work *IF* the other wives would accept them otherwise those were sold too.
IT WAS FILMED BY NPR and they ran it once or twice and now it is hidden.

Last but not least:
White Berkeley Law dean tells class he illegally discriminates [against white people] while hiring to boost diversity
Berkeley Law Dean Erwin Chemerinsky has been filmed suggesting to a class that he illegally discriminates against potential hires to boost racial diversity.
read

White Berkeley Law dean tells class he illegally discriminates while hiring to boost diversity | Daily Mail Online | Daily Mail Online

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[ursidae]

I mean check out a map of national iq’s in Europe. The ones who have a word in their language for afternoon wine-break, and stay up til 11 on weekdays at coffee cafes, have lower iq’s than the northern ones.

Having lived in northern scotland, I didn't meet a single scottish person in 4 years who was capable of having a meaningful conversation and whose life didn't revolve around being an alcoholic/drug addict

northern europeans were cave/mud hut dwellers while the roman empire was thriving and laying the foundations of european civilisation

northwestern europe was a low fertility region of no interest to invaders. Moreover it was continually shielded by the southern and eastern european regions who exhausted themselves having to ward off invasions for millennia. Mediterranean knowledge was then passed on from south to north and east to west and allowed to be cultivated.

enough of riding nordic d!cks already. So sick of these arrogant nordics who get off of looking down on southern europeans more than any other group out there

 

[shucknchuck]

@LA agreed :)