Haidut Interview Carnivore vs. Carbs Debate: Dr. Anthony Chaffee and Georgi Dinkov!

[David PS]

Georgi is a busy man.
There are no timestamps.

"In this episode, we discuss the differences between a carnivore diet and a pro metabolic diet along with:
- 3 amino acids that might get too high on a carnivore diet,
- importance of collagen in your diet
- is sugar or excess cortisol causing obesity
- aspirin's role in lowering lipolysis
- lowering PUFA's to obtain optimal health and much, much more!"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LFfSyUADQ

 

[youngsinatra]

very good podcast, just finished listening.

 

[Dave Clark]

I take notice that the anti-plant people always mention about the compounds plants produce to protect themselves, and tell us that they are toxic to us, but never mention the compounds that plants produce to protect themselves that also protect us when we consume them, i.e. polyphenols, flavanoids, etc. They seem to forget that plants produce good things like vitamin E, minerals like selenium, etc., etc. If things like phytic acid and oxalates caused plant based food to be a wash, cultures would not have thrived on it for ions. Like anything, the truth tends to lie in the middle, and moderation is warranted with any diet, to prevent deficiencies or overloads.

 

[HumanLife]

I take notice that the anti-plant people always mention about the compounds plants produce to protect themselves, and tell us that they are toxic to us, but never mention the compounds that plants produce to protect themselves that also protect us when we consume them, i.e. polyphenols, flavanoids, etc. They seem to forget that plants produce good things like vitamin E, minerals like selenium, etc., etc. If things like phytic acid and oxalates caused plant based food to be a wash, cultures would not have thrived on it for ions. Like anything, the truth tends to lie in the middle, and moderation is warranted with any diet, to prevent deficiencies or overloads.

Haidut put emphasis that the vegetables are better when they are well cooked to destroy their defenses. People go on Raw Vegan for the full profile, but it’s not worth it with all the anti-nutrients. Better little to no anti-nutrients and less nutrients than a lot of anti-nutrients and more nutrients.

 

[Blossom]

Georgi is a busy man.
There are no timestamps.

"In this episode, we discuss the differences between a carnivore diet and a pro metabolic diet along with:
- 3 amino acids that might get too high on a carnivore diet,
- importance of collagen in your diet
- is sugar or excess cortisol causing obesity
- aspirin's role in lowering lipolysis
- lowering PUFA's to obtain optimal health and much, much more!"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LFfSyUADQ

Thank you, these are two of my favorites in the health sphere.

 

[Juliampersand]

Thanks for sharing!
He seems too conciliatory to carnivore. I wish his defense of sugar was more robust.

 

[youngsinatra]

Thanks for sharing!
He seems too conciliatory to carnivore. I wish his defense of sugar was more robust.

I wished he had talked more about the essentiality of carbohydrates for thyroid as low T3 syndrome and high reverse T3 are pretty common on carnivore.

Danny would likely has to say a lot more on that topic as he did strictly muscle meat based carnivore for 2 years or so.

 

[David PS]

Thank you, these are two of my favorites in the health sphere.

That is interesting. I had not heard of Dr. Anthony Chaffee before this interview. I thought that both Georgi and Anthony were very respectful of the other person's perspective. It was not a hand-waving and fist-pounding debate.

Humans are omnivores and there was a consensus that the amount of PUFA in the modern diet is unhealthy. Georgi mentioned that vitamin E and aspirin are two over-the-counter substances that are helpful with lipolysis of these fats. In addition, purposefully adding a small coconut oil to the diet to raise the amount of saturated is helpful as well. None of this is new but it does need to be repeated in the hope of counteracting the current conventional wisdom.

 

[Herbie]

It's easy to be lean on carnivore when the person is shifted towards fat oxidation but once shifted towards glucose oxidation the person will find themselves becoming a squishmellow on carnivore.

 

[PopSocket]

Was interesting to see such a debate especially vs a medical Dr. Noticed that @ 1 hour mark and 11 minutes after Haiduts long rant the Dr completely lost the plot (he did not understand everything Haidut said imo) and started simplifying the conversation to some basic claims about health. I am pretty sure he and lot of other carnivores who follow him will start digesting the knowledge little by little. btw the doctor has sunken wrinkly eyes - not good at all, I looked the same way after over a decade on strict keto/carni. I bet he does not sleep too well and is on T, which if he stops he will crash and have a hard awakening.

 

[Blossom]

That is interesting. I had not heard of Dr. Anthony Chaffee before this interview. I thought that both Georgi and Anthony were very respectful of the other person's perspective. It was not a hand-waving and fist-pounding debate.

Humans are omnivores and there was a consensus that the amount of PUFA in the modern diet is unhealthy. Georgi mentioned that vitamin E and aspirin are two over-the-counter substances that are helpful with lipolysis of these fats. In addition, purposefully adding a small coconut oil to the diet to raise the amount of saturated is helpful as well. None of this is new but it does need to be repeated in the hope of counteracting the current conventional wisdom.

Yes, the thing I most like about Chaffee is that he comes across as a very polite and respectful person. I don’t agree with him or (anyone else) 100% on everything but I still enjoy his content. I’m so thrilled that they did the interview because so many people are stuck and it’s important that they hear a more nuanced and accurate view than the message “plants are trying to kill you!” since it’s very contextual. A lot of carnivore people could benefit from learning about how to reincorporate plants safely.

 

[David PS]

A short video clip from the video. An explanation of why you do not want to mix fat and carbs.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j3VeRy-9ZLs?feature=share

 

[Peatress]

Didn’t Peat say fat (saturated) with starch protects against endotoxins and also slows the absorption of the starch which protects against a spike in blood sugar?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wgO9DA0DXs&t=2500s

 

[PopSocket]

I am pretty sure I also read/heard him say that a small amount of fat is needed with starch for the protective effect. "Not much is needed" are the words that I remember, don't have the source.

 

[David PS]

In addition, all starches are carbs but not all carbs are starches.

Dr. Peat does not recommend eating starches. Rather, he typically recommends eating a diet of sugar, potatoes, fruit and well cooked greens and while minimizing the amount of starches. But if you are going to eat starch, then a small amount of fat (preferably fat that is mostly saturated) is protective.

edit - Fat reduces the perfusion of starch particles.

 

[Regina]

Georgi is spectacular at playing the room. And Georgi is the genius of this. (attchd)
(not saying Chaffee is a fool, but you get the gist... He's not going to be converted, as he does not listen with a "child's mind").

 

[PopSocket]

Georgi is spectacular at playing the room. And Georgi is the genius of this. (attchd)
(not saying Chaffee is a fool, but you get the gist... He's not going to be converted, as he does not listen with a "child's mind").

hahaha nice one

 

[Michael Mohn]

Pro metabolic people are just too nice, I can't stand it any longer!
I get it that being non confrontational allows to get across new ideas to your 'opponent'.
Georgi & Danny do this very well!

But listening too these Keto Bro's idíotic nonsense like 'insulin makes you fat', fructose is like alcohol, cocaine, methamphetamine...says Dr. Lustig, 'evolutionary, our ancestors ate only meat' it's just painful.
These retªrds deserve a good verbal beating in public.
And for sure the first comment on YT is:
I don't want to look like a man aka Haidut but like this gay porn actor MD.

 

[Mufasa]

A short video clip from the video. An explanation of why you do not want to mix fat and carbs.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j3VeRy-9ZLs?feature=share

I don't know about the takeaway, maybe if you don't move a lot.
I know many people who do well with mid-carb, mid-fat, mid-protein, especially in the fitness scene.

I eat around 350g of carb + 100g of fat + 120g of protein.
Not fat, and no problems.

I think @Hans is also eating something like that.

 

[David PS]

@Mufasa - Thanks. The Dr. Peat email exchange has a section related to this topic.

Macronutrients (carbs, proteins, fats) and their ratios​