What Is The Best And Safest Way To Chelate Heavy Metals Out Of The Brain?

[Dave Clark]

You have to be careful with strong chelators. My doc had me do a DMSA challenge test for metals, which was only one day of usage, and it ended up giving me some minor tremors that took months to go away. Apparently the DMSA must of mobilized some mercury and redeposited it in nerve tissue, or something like that. All I know is that I won't let him do that again. Actually, he wanted me to take DMSA for 90 days (and not like the Cutler protocol which keeps it in your system) which I refused. Told me he has been using it for thirty years with no problems, I told him to go on-line and read the stories of people who did not do well with that stuff! I do not have amalgams in my mouth, but did for many years until I had them all removed, never the less, the mercury is still in deep tissue and maybe will never come out, I don't know, but I am real cautious about chelating. Do your homework.

 

[burtlancast]

So, I have a relative I want to start chelation therapy with. Do you have a link or instructional text on how to do it successfully and fully? My relative has multiple amalgam fillings as well. Thanks!

The people at IBCMT or IAOMT are trained professionals able to safely and efficiently remove and detoxify mercury fillings.

You can't go wrong with those people.

Stay away from people like Klinghardt, Cutler and Mercola.

 

[burtlancast]

I do not have amalgams in my mouth, but did for many years until I had them all removed, never the less, the mercury is still in deep tissue and maybe will never come out, I don't know, but I am real cautious about chelating. Do your homework.

Why not take the gentle approach: garlic, magnesium chloride, iodine, and maybe ALA. ?

Iodine detoxifies heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, lead, aluminum) and nefarious halogens like fluoride and bromide. Look for the papers of Dr Abraham, he proved it with experiments on real people.

Garlic will then bind these metals.

 

[TreasureVibe]

The people at IBCMT or IAOMT are trained professionals able to safely and efficiently remove and detoxify mercury fillings.

You can't go wrong with those people.

Stay away from people like Klinghardt, Cutler and Mercola.

It doesn't exist in my country, but there is a Dutch equivelant of holistic dentistry..

Any comment on succinic acid though?

So far after having read the topic I have come up with the following.

DMPS first for 6 months or as instructed by holistic dentist with recommended chelating agent by holistic dentist
amalgam removal
DMPS again for 6 months
ALA + DMPS + other additional natural chelators

Because of the article by Mercola on DMSA I am cautious with it, as it is Succinic acid but with some stuff added to it, which according to his explanation very well could make sense to be harmful as it interferes with ATP production. Even if Mercola is a confusionist, this is just common sense, if it's not suitable for use, then simply don't use it.

This is just a rough sketch but what do you think so far?

 

[burtlancast]

It doesn't exist in my country, but there is a Dutch equivelant of holistic dentistry..

Any comment on succinic acid though?

So far after having read the topic I have come up with the following.

DMPS first for 6 months or as instructed by holistic dentist with recommended chelating agent by holistic dentist
amalgam removal
DMPS again for 6 months
ALA + DMPS + other additional natural chelators

Because of the article by Mercola on DMSA I am cautious with it, as it is Succinic acid but with some stuff added to it, which according to his explanation very well could make sense to be harmful as it interferes with ATP production. Even if Mercola is a confusionist, this is just common sense, if it's not suitable for use, then simply don't use it.

This is just a rough sketch but what do you think so far?

If you're from Holland, then you're in luck because Dr Peter Van der schaar is the founder of IBCMT.

That's probably the top specialist of chelation in the world.

 

[TreasureVibe]

If you're from Holland, then you're in luck because Dr Peter Van der schaar is the founder of IBCMT.

That's probably the top specialist of chelation in the world.

Hmm, one Google search for his name and I see all kinds of websites like Dutch quackwatch, some news articles about how he has to close his clinic, and how he received a reprimand by a disciplinary judge. So.. I'm unsure about this doctor, lol. He apparently gave IV chelation therapy for 10s of thousands of euros and one of his clients had to be rushed to the hospital. There was also a television show about it but an online rebuking article states how IV chelation is safe and works etc. and how the show was biased.

Simply put, wouldn't oral capsules for chelation just be easier and safer? Or is this too much of a simplification?

 

[burtlancast]

Hmm, one Google search for his name and I see all kinds of websites like Dutch quackwatch, some news articles about how he has to close his clinic, and how he received a reprimand by a disciplinary judge. So.. I'm unsure about this doctor, lol. He apparently gave IV chelation therapy for 10s of thousands of euros and one of his clients had to be rushed to the hospital. There was also a television show about it but an online rebuking article states how IV chelation is safe and works etc. and how the show was biased.

Simply put, wouldn't oral capsules for chelation just be easier and safer? Or is this too much of a simplification?

Lol Quackwatch

If you're doing something good for the people, being singled out by them is like graduation; you know you're on the right track, lol

Practically, it's possible to use DMPS oral capsules: but for your friend with amalgams, you still have to do a provocation test to see what the mercury levels are, and eventually remove the amalgams with the necessary precautions.

 

[TreasureVibe]

Lol Quackwatch

If you're doing something good for the people, being singled out by them is like graduation; you know you're on the right track, lol

Practically, it's possible to use DMPS oral capsules: but for your friend with amalgams, you still have to do a provocation test to see what the mercury levels are, and eventually remove the amalgams with the necessary precautions.

Yeah quackwatch and the like are often biased, and I don't take them seriously necessary. I'm a big proponent of alternative medicine as long as it is scientific.

What doses and frequency of DMPS capsules, and what dose for a provocation test and what would be the signs?

Also see this:

"Read Amalgam Illness by Cutler (this is my mercury bible)"

I dont believe AHC recommends DMPS in his book.

If you have been poisoned for 20 years it will take more than a few weeks to get it out. DMPS does not cross the BBB, yet it will stir up mercury from your body which will cross the BBB and that is what makes you feel bad.

Cutler recommends ALA and DMSA.

How many Amalgams did you have?

from My Mercury Poisoning and a GOOD Oral DMPS Chelation Experience (so far). at Amalgam Replacement Support Forum, topic 1588454

Seems like everyone says something different, what is the truth?

 

[TreasureVibe]

Also why can no one speak about succinic acid? It safely chelates heavy metal out of the brain according to Dr. Peat, yet no one appears to know anything about it nor its safety which is a shame, since all of these chelation protocols are shoddy and disputed, but Dr. Peat's word can often be trusted.

DMSA = Dimer capto succinic acid

So succinic acid on its own, could be comparable to DMSA in chelating action right?

 

[TreasureVibe]

I was thinking of combining succinic acid with DMPS for a chelation protocol...

 

[TreasureVibe]

Chelating agents (interview with Dr. Ray Peat, Ph.D.)

There are several methods of mercury (and other heavy metal)
detoxification. If you decide to have your amalgams replaced with
gold, porcelain or composites, choose a dentist who is trained to do
it. Otherwise your symptoms can become much worse or even
life-threatening due to unsafe removal procedures which increase
ingestion of mercury and its vapors. Also, removal of silver
amalgams does not remove body stores. These must be removed by
chelation therapy. Substances that bind mercury and other metals are
called chelating agents and there are both oral and intravenous
chelation therapies available.

Unfortunately, most chelating substances can have very poisonous
effects. Common chelating agents such as EDTA, used both
intravenously and orally, can remove heavy metals including from the
bone, such as lead. The problem is, after removal from the bones, the
EDTA dumps the lead into the brain and the kidneys. Chemet (succimer,
or 2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid abbreviated DMSA), is a dangerous
chelating agent which was approved by the FDA in January 1991. DMSA
is very similar to another chelating agent called BAL, or British
Antilewisite (2,3- dimercaptopropanol). The problem is, just like
EDTA, both DMSA and BAL remove lead from the bones and deposit it into
the brain and the kidneys. IF the lead is removed before it gets
into the bones, there is no toxic effect with EDTA, DMSA or BAL but
why use something dangerous? There is a review article in J. of
Chem. Ed., in the early 1970â??s which summarizes the research in 3-4
pages and references the original research.

Estrogen makes you overproduce collagen and stimulates soft tissue
deposition of calcium.

Thyroid makes you retain magnesium and dump abnormal calcium and
estrogen. Thus, thyroid is similar to chelation.

Surfaces of blood vessels work like an ion exchange resin. If you run
calcium over the membranes, the membranes will suck up calcium.

To safely remove heavy metals, use succinic acid as the sodium or
magnesium salt (sodium or magnesium succinate). It is classified as a
food, is an antioxidant (anti-free radicals) and stimulates
respiration in addition to being a chelator. Succinic acid will suck
out Al non-toxically. Magnesium or sodium + succinic acid should
chelate mercury. No side effects.

The last resort is penicillamine. Good for all heavy metals but not
as safe as succinic acid.

According to Dr. Ray Peat, succinic acid as the sodium or magnesium
salt (sodium or magnesium succinate) is the safest chelating agent,
with penicillamine being next. In the 1930â??s, Szent-Gyorgyi showed
that succinate stimulated cell respiration. In the 1980â??s other
researchers reported that it stimulates pregnenolone production in the
adrenal glands. Succinic acid is a good food, is crucial to the Krebs
cycle (essential for energy), speeds it up by stimulating respiration
and is thus similar to the thyroid hormone. Pure succinic acid or
succinate (not DMSA) can be used either orally or intravenously. It
has no harmful effects to the mitochondria (as does EDTA). Succinate
has been shown to remove aluminum and lead. There is no reason not to
believe that it will also take out other heavy metals, including
mercury and iron, but I have no references on this. It would be great
if someone would do a study on this. Peat says succinic acid works
orally so I would choose to do oral rather than intravenous chelation
therapy. His recommended dosage is 200 mg twice daily but please put
the succinic acid in a capsule, otherwise, it will suck calcium out of
your teeth. Peat says that it may take a week or so to clean out the
heavy metals.

Succinate does not suck calcium from the blood, but helps carry it.
Plus, it stimulates respiration and helps deposit calcium in bones
while taking it out of soft tissues. It simulates carbon dioxide
production which increases oxygen in the body. CaCO3 is the starting
material for hydroxyappetite (bone substance).

A high sodium diet (sea salt, not table salt) prevents kidney damage
from heavy metals. Other good chelating agents include, orange juice
and coffee and intravenous (not oral) ascorbic acid. Ascorbate is
better used i.v. than orally because it can irritate the live and the
colon and cause diarrhea. Also, ascorbic acid must be pharmaceutical
grade because most sources are contaminated with heavy metals due to
the method of manufacture. Also 90% of ascorbic acid now comes from
China. The citric acid in orange juice is a good chelator. The
caffeine in coffee helps get the lead and cadmium out of the kidneys.

Succinate and mercury (Hg) , iron (Fe)

Does it remove Hg? Experiments used Al (aluminum). Al behaves the
same as Hg but this is only an assumption. It is proven that
succinate removes Fe.

Toxicity of DMPS and DMSA

Question: Does the body quickly or gradually get rid of DMPS or DMSA
chelating agents? I have many people who nearly died when they took
DMPS or DMSA. But, I should think that the body would eventually
detox it. What do you think?

Dr. Ray Peatâ??s comment:

The idea of using it to remove metals is that it leaves the body
rapidly. The damage produced by moving the metals around could be
fairly permanent, but the chelator leaves very quickly. Environmental
pollutants, food fats, and cosmetics are the things people should
worry about accumulating in their tissues.

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Would succinic acid work too? I can't find sodium or magnesium succinate anywhere.

 

[fradon]

How much and for how long?

you would have to use cilantro for a few months and start with hair anaysis test to see your level of heavy metals and then take another test a few months down the lown to see how it is progressing.

 

[Capt Nirvana]

Hi all. As the title suggests, what is the best and safest way to chelate heavy metals out of the brain? And would it matter if you have amalgam fillings in your mouth?

- DMPS

- DMSA

- Succinic acid (questioning the safety of this one, it has strong affinity to bind to copper apparently, can this be dangerous in regards to blood vessel integrity?)

- Alpha lipoic acid

- DMSO

- EDTA (Dangerous according to studies if it is not calcium bound EDTA called CaEDTA as EDTA can strongly bind calcium apparently, this dangerous effect should be questioned in the other chelating agents named here as well)

- The Andrew Cutler protocol (unfamiliar with this but have seen it named alot on the internet before)

I used salty and sugary foods according to growth pattern. But it took me 24 years (1987-2011) to liberate myself from my eyeglasses alone. It wasn't the "claw" of chelation, but salt and sugar stayed the course. I generally start with the Big Four (O, C, H, and N) and work my way down.

 

[burtlancast]

Also why can no one speak about succinic acid? It safely chelates heavy metal out of the brain according to Dr. Peat

Just because it can chelate some heavy metals like aluminium doesn't mean it does mercury: i've found nothing on that regard.

Chemet (succimer,
or 2,3-dimercaptosuccinic acid abbreviated DMSA), is a dangerous
chelating agent which was approved by the FDA in January 1991. DMSA
is very similar to another chelating agent called BAL, or British
Antilewisite (2,3- dimercaptopropanol). The problem is, just like
EDTA, both DMSA and BAL remove lead from the bones and deposit it into
the brain and the kidneys. IF the lead is removed before it gets
into the bones, there is no toxic effect with EDTA, DMSA or BAL .

"A major advantage of DMSA is that, lead is not redistributed to the brain and other vital organs after its therapy in rats intoxicated with lead [18,84]. Animal studies suggest that DMSA is an effective chelator of lead concentrated in soft tissue but it is unable to chelate lead from bones [142]."
Chelation in Metal Intoxication

"After prolonged exposure of rats to lead in drinking water, repeated doses of DMSA resulted in extensive reductions in blood, brain, liver and kidney lead levels, although bone lead levels were not significantly affected"
https://www.researchgate.net/public...DMSA_chelation_therapy_and_long-term_efficacy

So there you go: so much for DMSA redistributing lead to the brain or leaching it from the bones.

Ray wrong this time.

 

[TreasureVibe]

Just because it can chelate some heavy metals like aluminium doesn't mean it does mercury: i've found nothing on that regard.

Why would DMSA be able to chelate mercury, while regular SA (Succinic Acid) wouldn't?

 

[Fractality]

Where does one obtain DMPS and the other chelating agents?

 

[TreasureVibe]

DMPS administrated to a mercury poisoned animal model failed to remove the mercury from tissues and reduce the inorganic mercury burden in the brain.[5][6]

2,3-Dimercapto-1-propanesulfonic acid - Wikipedia

Huh?

 

[burtlancast]

DMPS administrated to a mercury poisoned animal model failed to remove the mercury from tissues and reduce the inorganic mercury burden in the brain.[5][6]

2,3-Dimercapto-1-propanesulfonic acid - Wikipedia

Huh?

Another example of scientific misconduct using misrepresentation of existing published scientific data in order to further obfuscate the reality that DMPS and DMSA are safe and effective mercury chelators and can be used to diagnose amalgam induced mercury toxicity through provocation tests.

Your quote is a truncated phrase extract from the [6] referenced Italian scientific article whose entire paragraph reads:

[Despite the acknowledged mercury-mobilizing proprieties in various human clinical studies, DMPS administrated in mercury poisoned animal model has failed to remove the mercury from tissues (Aposhian et al., 2003).] These findings made it clear that neither DMPS nor DMSA have showed to be effective in post exposure treatment of mercury vapor in animal model, demonstrating thus that the use of current chelating agents did not reduce the inorganic mercury burden from the most important target organ: the brain.

They cite the Aposhian scientific article but if one takes the time to read it, it says the exact opposite.

In this paper, we report our experiments evaluating the effects of the above agents on brain mercury concentrations. Specifically, we present data that GSH, vitamin C, or lipoic acid alone or in combination with DMPS or DMSA did not decrease brain mercury in rats exposed to elemental mercury. The kidney concentrations of mercury were decreased by DMPS or DMSA administration, but GSH, vitamin C, and lipoic acid had no such activity and did not enhance the activity of DMPS or DMSA. Kidney mercury was studied to show, as a positive control, that DMPS or DMSA could mobilize mercury and in the case of the other agents that their lack of mobilizing activity was not connected with the blood-brain barrier.

Aposhian proved DMPS and DMSA do chelate mercury from the investigated organ kidney but not from the other investigated organ the brain.

How the following Italian authors conclude that it failed altogether to remove mercury from tissues is a wonder of nature, lol.


God bless Wikipedia and those who trust it.

 

[TreasureVibe]

Another example of scientific misconduct using misrepresentation of existing published scientific data in order to further obfuscate the reality that DMPS and DMSA are safe and effective mercury chelators and can be used to diagnose amalgam induced mercury toxicity through provocation tests.

Your quote is a truncated phrase extract from the [6] referenced Italian scientific article whose entire paragraph reads:



They cite the Aposhian scientific article [6], but if one takes the time to read it, it says the exact opposite.



Aposhian proved DMPS and DMSA do chelate mercury from the investigated organ kidney but not from the other investigated organ the brain.

How the following Italian authors conclude that it failed altogether to remove mercury from tissues is a wonder of nature, lol.


God bless Wikipedia and those who trust it.

What do you think of this?

Protective effects of garlic juice against embryotoxicity of methylmercuric chloride administered to pregnant Fischer 344 rats. - PubMed - NCBI

Would (Korean) garlic juice be suitable for chelating/removing mercury from the body?

 

[Davinci]

Why not take the gentle approach: garlic, magnesium chloride, iodine, and maybe ALA. ?

Iodine detoxifies heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, lead, aluminum) and nefarious halogens like fluoride and bromide. Look for the papers of Dr Abraham, he proved it with experiments on real people.

Garlic will then bind these metals.

@burtlancast Does iodine cross the brain blood barrier to be able to get metals out of the brain? Does Dr Abraham mention what form of iodine he studied, for example like potassium iodine or kelp?