What Is The Best And Safest Way To Chelate Heavy Metals Out Of The Brain?

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like you said there isnt any proof or reference for your claim so I wont be waiting for any. Ive given the opinions of two chelation experts that say it isnt safe. You've just given your decidedly non-expert opinion.

Actually there is.
Francoise Cambayrac was a 40 year old french lady who started to suffer from unexplained neurological symptoms.
She sought help from every french medical specialist and was told it was all in her head ()
She ended up in a wheelchair: then a naturopath advised her to take out fer fillings: when she did one, with all precautions in place, she almost died.

She found the right epidemiologist, Dr Melet, who explained her she first needed to lower her total mercury body burden with DMPS: after 6 months, her levels were much lower, she was much better and could walk.
Then she could remove her amalgams, one by one, months apart and with all precautions.

It's all in her book, french or spanish version.
 

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Actually there is.
Francoise Cambayrac was a 40 year old french lady who started to suffer from unexplained neurological symptoms.
She sought help from every french medical specialist and was told it was all in her head ()
She ended up in a wheelchair: then a naturopath advised her to take out fer fillings: when she did one, with all precautions in place, she almost died.

She found the right epidemiologist, Dr Melet, who explained her she first needed to lower her total mercury body burden with DMPS: after 6 months, her levels were much lower, she was much better and could walk.
Then she could remove her amalgams, one by one, months apart and with all precautions.

It's all in her book, french or spanish version.
Not surprising that the best you can do is a single anecdotal story, and in French no less so it's that much more difficult to see what happened.

Sounds like her dentist screwed up the amalgam removal process and poisoned her and thus emergency chelation therapy was required. Not very supportive of your opinion as this is a special case.
 

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This from someone who claimed Klinghardt was an IAOMT member, lol.
 
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Alright gentlemen, that was a fair discussion, but when we are getting down to the technical points, how exactly would it be unsafe to use DMPS, while having amalgams still in? Would the amalgam contents be sucked out of the filling through the hard enamel of the tooth? Or would it be leeched out by surrounding soft tissue that get in contact with the amalgam filling? If we can actually pinpoint what exactly is happening, maybe we can resolve this together.

I also remember reading in one report that mercury was constantly leaking out of an amalgam filling, so that is also relevant perhaps.
 

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Alright gentlemen, that was a fair discussion, but when we are getting down to the technical points, how exactly would it be unsafe to use DMPS, while having amalgams still in? Would the amalgam contents be sucked out of the filling through the hard enamel of the tooth? Or would it be leeched out by surrounding soft tissue that get in contact with the amalgam filling? If we can actually pinpoint what exactly is happening, maybe we can resolve this together.

I also remember reading in one report that mercury was constantly leaking out of an amalgam filling, so that is also relevant perhaps.
look at the quote from klinghardt and the video from Dr Shade. Apparently the mercury on the amalgams is oxidized and easily removed by the DMPS which once in the blood enters the saliva. Dr Shade also says that the entire gastrointestinal tract is loaded with mercury which the DMPS liberates.

Are you planning to get your amalgams removed? That would be my first step but obviously up to you.
 
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look at the quote from klinghardt and the video from Dr Shade. Apparently the mercury on the amalgams is oxidized and easily removed by the DMPS which once in the blood enters the saliva. Dr Shade also says that the entire gastrointestinal tract is loaded with mercury which the DMPS liberates.

Are you planning to get your amalgams removed? That would be my first step but obviously up to you.
So, DMPS is a safe chelating agent, if you remove your amalgam fillings first, is that correct?

Basically what @burtlancast says is that the removal of amalgam fillings would add so much to the body burden of mercury, that it is a futile thing to do, and instead one should lower the burden first before safely removing it. I remember reading on one holistic dentist's website in my country that one should start supplementing a certain chelating agent a few months prior before the procedure of removal can happen, so it seems to carry weight.

Basically both of you are saying mostly the same, the only thing different is that one states the amalgam filling should be removed first without any precautions through chelation whilst the other says it should happen with precautions through chelation..

Am I right?
 

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So, DMPS is a safe chelating agent, if you remove your amalgam fillings first, is that correct?

Basically what @burtlancast says is that the removal of amalgam fillings would add so much to the body burden of mercury, that it is a futile thing to do, and instead one should lower the burden first before safely removing it. I remember reading on one holistic dentist's website in my country that one should start supplementing a certain chelating agent a few months prior before the procedure of removal can happen, so it seems to carry weight.

Basically both of you are saying mostly the same, the only thing different is that one states the amalgam filling should be removed first without any precautions through chelation whilst the other says it should happen with precautions through chelation..

Am I right?
That about sums it up. I would just add that if amalgam removal is done properly you shouldnt have a huge spike in mercury release. Also you should begin chelation immediately after just in case things go wrong. Be warned that most Dentists dont take the necessary precautions and probably cause more harm than if they left them in place. With that said if you are planning on doing this you should spend a lot more time researching this, and not by asking question here but rather a site where people actually have done it. Curezone is one that comes to mind. Also stick to the well known experts and not just some random holistic practitioners for definitive advice. All the ones I know of recommend pulling the amalgams first.
 
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That about sums it up. I would just add that if amalgam removal is done properly you shouldnt have a huge spike in mercury release. Also you should begin chelation immediately after just in case things go wrong. Be warned that most Dentists dont take the necessary precautions and probably cause more harm than if they left them in place. With that said if you are planning on doing this you should spend a lot more time researching this, and not by asking question here but rather a site where people actually have done it. Curezone is one that comes to mind. Also stick to the well known experts and not just some random holistic practitioners for definitive advice. All the ones I know of recommend pulling the amalgams first.
Both you and burtlancast support removing the amalgam fillings, burtlancast just incorporates it within the DMPS therapy which he choses as the best overall chelating agent, whilst you mention DMPS usage while still having amalgam fillings is hazardous/dangerous. Is this correct?

And you support the pre-treatment by a holistic dentist for amalgam removal, even if this would involve a different chelating agent, correct?
 

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Both you and burtlancast support removing the amalgam fillings, burtlancast just incorporates it within the DMPS therapy which he choses as the best overall chelating agent, whilst you mention DMPS usage while still having amalgam fillings is hazardous/dangerous. Is this correct?

And you support the pre-treatment by a holistic dentist for amalgam removal, even if this would involve a different chelating agent, correct?
let me just reiterate that I am not an expert. I just happen to have looked into this before for a relative and know that taking chelating agents with amalgams in place is dangerous and self-defeating.

The IAOMT standards recommend taking activated carbon or chlorella right before removal. https://iaomt.org/resources/safe-removal-amalgam-fillings/
they dont recommend a long term pre removal treatment regimen as far as I can see.
You can check to see if there are any IAOMT dentists in your country
 

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Drilling into an amalgam (in order to remove it) will free mercury vapors equivalent to 2 years of outgassing in your mouth by the said amalgam.

It's a huge dose to inhale by both dentist and patient. This is why there are precautions put in place, like fracturing it in small pieces rather than drilling it, irrigating it with cold water to limit outgassing, and continual aspiration in the mouth.

Even then, very sick people who don't evacuate mercury well from their bodies can react during this removal procedure to any additional mercury burden and can potentially contract a serious disease (MS; rheumatoid arthritis, leukemia, etc) they didn't have before.

It's well known in the detox community the moment of amalgam removal is the most dangerous moment in the detox therapy.

This is when charcoal or chlorella are used to sequester any mercury vapors, which is the only useful use of chlorella, provided it hasn't already sequestred the mercury in the ambient air (one needs to test the chlorella in a trustworthy lab to check whether it has already been contaminated by mercury before getting to you).
 

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How about IMD by Quicksilver Scientific. Seems pretty safe to me. The name comes from owner Dr Chris Shade having studied mercury speciation. One of his papers here. It's an digestible, silica-like, dithiol compound that binds to metals excreted via the gut. It's expensive at $150 for 6 grams (100mg per dose) but I guess that's not really surprising given how small his operation would be.

Dr Shade makes the case that those poisoned by heavy metals have trouble removing them because they are just reabsorbed into enterohepatic circulation due to an inflamed gut. He usually deals with people who have been so poisoned that they present with clear clinical symptoms. His advice is similar to Roddy, Peat, etc., in that he advises against introducing blood chelators like DMSA or ALA (the latter of which Cutler uses specifically for moving metals out of the brain). He suggests things like vitamin C, artemisinin, haritaki, sulforaphane, raw garlic used in cycles to stimulate GST, Nrf2, etc., which will move them out of the brain as well, but always taking the IMD to bind them in the gut as they are eliminated.

IIRC, it was him or Cutler who said never to chelate if you still have amalgams.
 
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How about IMD by Quicksilver Scientific. Seems pretty safe to me. The name comes from owner Dr Chris Shade having studied mercury speciation. One of his papers here. It's an digestible, silica-like, dithiol compound that binds to metals excreted via the gut.

Activated charcoal does the same for pennies.

The hard part is to fetch the mercury inside the cells.
 
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The article is excellent, with all the information that I concur with.

As you know, DMSA is not a good chelator and DMPS is far superior for pulling mercury, for many of the reasons you mentioned as well as the reasons I testified to congress.

Specifically, DMSA stands for Di Mercapto Succinic Acid. Succinic Acid happens to be the largest substrate in the Citric acid cycle (Kreb's cycle). The only difference between Succinic Acid and DMSA is 2 hydroxyl groups instead of 2 sulfhydryl groups. Otherwise the two compounds are identical.

Therefore, in your body, DMSA is seen as a substitute for succinic acid and via competitive inhibition, actually appears to slow down or inhibit the Kreb's cycle. By being picked up in the Kreb's cycle, DMSA violates the first rule of any chelator, i.e., a chelator by definition should be inert, meaning: whatever goes in should come out, but it's bound to a metal when it comes out.

DMSA violates that since it is uptaken and used partially in the Kreb's cycle.


Furthermore, succinic acid normally leads to FADH2+ production, which is directly coupled to the electron transport chain and leads to ATP production. The competitive inhibition of this succinic acid by DMSA (when picked up in the place of succinic acid) causes an inhibition of FADH2+, further inhibiting the electron transport chain and eventually, creating an inhibition of ATP production.

Charges Dropped Against Doctor in Case of Autistic Boy's Death

Thoughts on this? DMSA being dangerous? What do you know about succinic acid, as Ray Peat said it's safe to use for chelating heavy metals from the brain? Surely a brilliant man in his field like Ray Peat would get this right, right?
 

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Mercola is a known confusionist/ salesman who isn't interested in getting to the real solutions of problems. In this article he mentions being affiliated with Klinghardt, another reputed conman, and repeats the lie chelation is dangerous while still having amalgams in your mouth.



DMSA is a good and safe chelator to use at the very end of the therapy because it's assumed to penetrate the blood brain barrier and fetch the remaining brain mercury.

But it should never be used as a first instance for reasons i already wrote.
 
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@burtlancast What would you recommend for someone with no fillings but requires one in a tooth cavity?

If there's a way to regenerate the dentine, go for it (ozone treatment). If not, composite fillings, or ceramics ones.

But no amalgams: ever, ever.
 
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If there's a way to regenerate the dentine, go for it (ozone treatment). If not, composite fillings, or ceramics ones.

But no amalgams: ever, ever.
So, I have a relative I want to start chelation therapy with. Do you have a link or instructional text on how to do it successfully and fully? My relative has multiple amalgam fillings as well. Thanks!
 

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So, I have a relative I want to start chelation therapy with. Do you have a link or instructional text on how to do it successfully and fully? My relative has multiple amalgam fillings as well. Thanks!
To be real frank because I think you are about to hurt yourself, I dont think you have any idea what you are doing and certainly not enough to direct the chelation of someone else.

Chelation therapy is very complicated and can really hurt you. And so far you still havent been able to figure out the truth about whether or not you can chelate with amalgams still in. This is probably the most basic of issues too. How many medical doctors with chelation experience do you need to hear from that say it is a very bad idea? No one had been able to provide a single reference or doctor that says it is safe to do so. All you have is a stranger on the forum giving you his non-expert opinion. I can see the future thread.. "Help I f upped my chelation"

Here is one more warning from the Mercola article you linked to above:
"Unfortunately, DMPS was, and still is, frequently used improperly. Primarily by well-intentioned physicians who use it when the person still has amalgam fillings in their mouth. Because DMPS is so effective at removing mercury, it will actually pull the mercury right out of the fillings, causing major problems in some patients."
 
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