Peatish Ninja
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If only we could see that the problem is more diverse than the systematic labels we neatly categorize them in.
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Men and women are different and they love each other for that reason.
The dedifferentiation of the sexes is a sign of a degenerating society.
So ancient Greece was one heck of a chimera!
I'm citing 400-200BC as an example of a sexual paradigm that contradicts the supposed black-and-white dynamic you've assumed to precede us!
Sexual orientation was very much without rigid boundaries, if any.
And quite contrary to a 'degredation of society', this generation delivered logic, metaethics, metaphysics, encyclopedic natural sciences and more in abundance.
As I've said I haven't read much about it yet, so I have to take your word for it.
But I've never read for example that the greeks had mixed armys.
When it comes to philosophy and natural science, all of the great ones which get mentioned for example by western philosophers like Kant and Schopenhauer were men.
How was their family structure?
Your original point was about sexual orientation - that women and men love each other because of some fundamental difference, which I dispute, and believe to be further disputed by paradigms that have gone before us.
Your second point was that the blurring boundaries of sexual orientation will lead to the degredation of society, which I also dispute, and again, think is disputed by paradigms that have gone before us.
The dedifferentiation of the sexes is a sign of a degenerating society.
My two c: both men and women are dicked over by the patriarchy.
Women are viewed as precious and weak, men viewed as strong but disposable.
"Men and women are different and they love each other for that reason."
How would I correctly interpret that, other than as the point that heterosexual people are so because of a fundamental difference between men and women?
Which implies that you already have some assumptions about derivatives of sexual orientation, since a fundamental difference has yet to be established by science. If purely a genital difference, then other sexual orientations lack derivatives, which opens floodgates to prejudice. If a sentimental difference, this has been thrown out by so many reputable fields that i cant imagine a viable case for it (at least at present).
So what exactly did your quotation mean?
Ancient Greece had extremely strict gender roles. Most women were locked away in the home to do menial tasks like cooking and cleaning. Many wore full head coverings. Women that didn't marry off were usually prostitutes.
This is as simple as it gets. Man is born with a penis, woman is born with a vagina. Penis is designed to go into vagina. That is not some social construct, it is the facts.