STUDY: Glycine may treat depression; MEDIA: Glycine may cause depression

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The level of misreporting in mainstream media is reaching criminal levels. For example, there have been many studies discovering that an increase in the activity of the serotonin transporter (SERT), which results in lower levels of extracellular serotonin, results in alleviation of depression or resilience to its onset. In other words, LOW (extracellular) serotonin is therapeutic for depression. Invariably, the media took those studies and reported "High serotonin good for depression", so basically the exact opposite of what the studies said. It looks like this charade is not isolated to serotonin (and estrogen), but is probably a general rule that media follows at the orders of its pharma sponsors. Case in point - the study below. It demonstrated that the activation of a specific receptor contributes to the development of depression, and animals lacking that receptor were remarkably resilient to developing depression. Ergo, a substance that inhibits said receptor would be therapeutic for depression. The amino acid glycine was found to be an inhibitor of that receptor and as such is expected to be therapeutic for depression, as well as anxiety and other mood disorders. The study authors even started a company developing synthetic inhibitors of said receptor as treatment for various mental disorders, and another article quoted the study author saying that the reason they are not pursuing glycine (or taurine) as antidepressant treatment is the lack of "selectivity" of those molecules for the receptor in question (GPR158). What did mainstream media report? You guess it - "glycine...likely contributing to major depression, anxiety and other mood disorders". I think we are in a desperate need for a change in the laws protecting media for misleading the public on important health matters. While most people saw clearly the media failure in properly informing the public during the pandemic, the pandemic misdeeds of media are small peanuts compared to issues like the one discussed in this post since the latter affect the health of hundreds of millions of people around the world for decades, considering mental disorders are typically chronic conditions. Deliberately misreporting on such issues of public health should have legal repercussions. A doctor can lose his/her license for engaging in such misinformation repeatedly, even if the acts were not deliberate. Why should the media be treated any differently? Oh, and lest I forget, the receptor GPR158 that glycine (and possibly taurine) are inhibiting is activated by glucocorticoids and, once activated, also drives the development of various tumors such as prostate cancer. Yet another piece of evidence that stress can directly cause cancer, depression and other mental disorders. Conversely, glycine and taurine can be viewed as functional antagonists to stress/cortisol.

Orphan receptor GPR158 serves as a metabotropic glycine receptor: mGlyR - PubMed

"...A common amino acid, glycine, can deliver a “slow-down” signal to the brain, likely contributing to major depression, anxiety and other mood disorders in some people, scientists at the Wertheim UF Scripps Institute for Biomedical Innovation & Technology have found."

"...In 2018 the Martemyanov team found the new receptor was involved in stress-induced depression. If mice lacked the gene for the receptor, called GPR158, they proved surprisingly resilient to chronic stress. That offered strong evidence that GPR158 could be therapeutic target, he said. But what sent the signal? A breakthrough came in 2021, when his team solved the structure of GPR158. What they saw surprised them. The GPR158 receptor looked like a microscopic clamp with a compartment — akin to something they had seen in bacteria, not human cells. “We were barking up the completely wrong tree before we saw the structure,” Martemyanov said. “We said, ‘Wow, that’s an amino acid receptor. There are only 20, so we screened them right away and only one fit perfectly. That was it. It was glycine.” That wasn’t the only odd thing. The signaling molecule was not an activator in the cells, but an inhibitor. The business end of GPR158 connected to a partnering molecule that hit the brakes rather than the accelerator when bound to glycine."


"...Both glycine and aurine affect mGlyR. Researchers believe these chemicals play a role in depression. “We have previously published research implicating GPR158 in the pathology of mood disorders,” said Kirill Martemyanov, professor and chair of the department of neuroscience at Scripps Biomedical Research. “Specifically, we found it to be upregulated in humans suffering from major depressive disorder and in mice subjected to stress, which is a major aggravating factor for depression.”

A 1995 study in European Neuropsychopharmacology found that glycine and taurine and other excitatory amino acids are dysregulated in the plasma of humans diagnosed with major depressive disorder. Additionally, a 2017 paper in Nature found that taurine has an antidepressant effect on stress-induced depressive rats.

“We also found that in mice, suppressing GPR158 leads to an antidepressant phenotype and resilience to stress,” Martemyanov said. “Therefore, we think that interventions aimed at blocking GPR158 would offer relief from stress-induced depression.”

"...The widespread presence of glycine and taurine, and their involvement in numerous bodily processes, limit their potential as medications. The authors note, however, that the identification of mGlyR offers a novel antidepressant target for developing new medications. The authors suspect that such novel drugs would be small molecules that specifically inhibit the mGlyR receptor, as they could prevent potential interactions with related receptors such as GPR179 found in the eye."
 
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If a subject is inclined to a balance in favor of glutamate, glycine risks converting to glutamate and not to GABA 👍 I had a similar experience with isolated glycine while with other amino acids the balance is more subtle and manageable... you have to try.
 
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What about taking Collagen with Taurine instead of Glycine?

Sure, it may be even better than isolated glycine. I always felt better on collagen than glycine supplements. Taurine is optional, as per the study, but I don't think it would hurt to add it.
 

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Glycine calms me and I take 1000mg every night for help getting to sleep. But yeah I haven't trusted media health advice for many years, nor popular health websites. I'll just get finished reading legit scientific studies backing something, but then the popular health websites invariably say, "Not enough studies" unless it's a drug it seems.
 

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Media: "The user haidut on raypeatforum.com agrees with us that Glycine causes depression."
 

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@haidut egarding serotonin, when extracellular levels are low, would that mean that intracellular levels (nerve and brain cells or enterocytes) are (relatively) high?
 

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Media: "The user haidut on raypeatforum.com agrees with us that Glycine causes depression."

Lol, I would not be surprised at all if this is soon the story that ChatGPT spits out when asked about this topic. As for media...well, they have probably been using ChatGPT to write "their" stories for years, so their response would be identical if asked:):
 
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@haidut egarding serotonin, when extracellular levels are low, would that mean that intracellular levels (nerve and brain cells or enterocytes) are (relatively) high?

Hard to say without testing 24-hour urinary excretion of something like 5-HIAA combined with (repeated) blood tests for whole-blood serotonin. Serotonin, when uptaken back into the axon as a result of SERT activity is preferable then floating around at high levels and causing clotting and fibrosis everywhere. The drug tianeptine is/was thought to work primarily by enhancing SERT function. Sodium does the same.
We are working on testing serotonin (and other neurotransmitters) in hair/nails and the hope is that this test would reveal long-term systemic serotonin exposure/levels.
 

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Hard to say without testing 24-hour urinary excretion of something like 5-HIAA combined with (repeated) blood tests for whole-blood serotonin. Serotonin, when uptaken back into the axon as a result of SERT activity is preferable then floating around at high levels and causing clotting and fibrosis everywhere. The drug tianeptine is/was thought to work primarily by enhancing SERT function. Sodium does the same.
We are working on testing serotonin (and other neurotransmitters) in hair/nails and the hope is that this test would reveal long-term systemic serotonin exposure/levels.
It seems as though protein kinase C is a major inhibitor of SERT. Anything that blocks PKC or CA2+ intracellularly, like magnesium or lithium/sodium should help. I suppose the media mistake would be to say one of the glycine sites of action (NMDA), is overactive due to the presence of Glycine rather than the contextual activation of other factors which cause excitotoxicity.
Just incorrect word association, rather than glycine being implicated in anything disease promoting.
 

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Hard to say without testing 24-hour urinary excretion of something like 5-HIAA combined with (repeated) blood tests for whole-blood serotonin. Serotonin, when uptaken back into the axon as a result of SERT activity is preferable then floating around at high levels and causing clotting and fibrosis everywhere. The drug tianeptine is/was thought to work primarily by enhancing SERT function. Sodium does the same.
We are working on testing serotonin (and other neurotransmitters) in hair/nails and the hope is that this test would reveal long-term systemic serotonin exposure/levels.
We know that serotonin interferes with energy metabolism, which occurs mostly in the mitochondria. Based on that, wouldn't it stand to reason that serotonin inside the cells is just as harmful? Or does its interference with energy metabolism occur through signaling from outside the cells, to the best of your knowledge?
 

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Sure, it may be even better than isolated glycine. I always felt better on collagen than glycine supplements. Taurine is optional, as per the study, but I don't think it would hurt to add it.
I agree!! Collagen is more of a whole food with multiple amino acids than just Glycine too.

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Yesterday (Saturday) I did the Collagen and Taurine combo post workout, then stayed an hour out in the sun on my way to a buffet because of traffic, and then after the buffet I felt so good! I felt much happier and more alert. I ate mostly peaty foods (shredded carrots, fish, fruit, freshly made sugary cakes) and had orange juice and coke too - it all digested very well. Then I had a Starbucks cappuccino a while later and I suppose from everything… it just clicked. I felt like 18 despite being 26 - my brain felt lighter and more clear too. I slept for 9 hours from the previous day (Friday) too and was feeling more on the depressive tired side, so I was very relieved to feel so good and even today I still am.
 
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