IP6 For Iron Chelation

[cantstoppeating]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96391/

I thinks it's absolutely fine and absolutely accurate; you're very fond of trolling, narouz.

A petty obsession with "trolling" is the hobgoblin of authoritarian minds.

It looks like you blurt out "authoritarianism" whenever someone calls you out for trolling, derailing or confusing a topic.

And as usual, such_saturation isn't too far behind your tail, you two must work in unison to troll.

Anyway, skimming through your posts on this thread, namely the quoted section below, it's quite clear the results of your thinking are pitiful, indeed, for all your "anti-authoritarianism" and supposed Peat-centric approach, you've got nothing to show for it, which should at least tell you that either Peat is wrong or your interpretation of him is wrong (and I'm suggesting it's the latter):

To be honest,
over those 3 years of Peating,
I have not improved my health.
Actually--again, being honest--it has declined.

Peat is all about experiencing and thinking and self-observation and questioning.
In my situation,
am I really a Bad Peater because I think--
rationally and experientially,
given my progress doing Peat stuff--
I should not close off other ideas, other approaches to health?
I a failure because I have not tried hard enough at Peating?
And perhaps more to the specific point at hand,
should I be ostracized/censored by the forum
for my lack of success?
(don't worry guys: I could take it:>))

In your own words, you're a failure because you don't take the time and money to obtain objective measurements, namely ladwork. How long into your 3 years did it take for you to get simple labwork like TSH, Cholesterol and Prolactin? Have you measured prolactin or any other blood markers that Peat suggests? Getting labwork is part of self-observation and questioning, relying on your day-to-day intermittent feelings won't get you far -- as shown by your 3 years of declining health.

And you shouldn't be ostracised/censored by the forum for your lack of success but for your propensity to confuse and obfuscate the discussions of people trying to get measurably healthier and blurting out "authoritarianism" whenever someone calls you out for it. :)

 

[narouz]

...you're a failure...

There there, cantstoppeating
I had those labs long ago.

 

[cantstoppeating]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96448/

...you're a failure...

There there, cantstoppeating
I had those labs long ago.

Those were your words about yourself, not mine.

Get them frequently, ideally every two weeks. If you're near a wallgreens you can use Theranos. By getting bloodwork every 2, 3 or 4 weeks you'll quickly see if what you're doing is working.

Theranos prices:

TSH: $2.99
Cholesterol: $13.32
Prolactin: $11.55

Total: $27.86.

If you get those labs every 3 weeks for a total of 10 reports, over 7 months, that's just under $300 to see exactly what works and what doesn't while continuing to tweak your diet/supplements. Completely affordable.

 

[Such_Saturation]

Cholesterol is $13 and TSH is three bucks?

 

[cantstoppeating]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96463/ Cholesterol is $13 and TSH is three bucks?

TSH is $13 and Cholesterol is three bucks, I mixed them up but the total remains the same. It's so cheap that anyone serious about Peating and near a wallgreens should be getting tested.

 

[narouz]

Those prices are good.
Where do they draw the blood?

 

[pboy]

while donating blood, if you listen to emo music and wear all black does it raise its benefits?

 

[Such_Saturation]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96495/ while donating blood, if you listen to emo music and wear all black does it raise its benefits?

Save yourself pboy, you're still on their good side

 

[charlie]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96465/ Those prices are good.
Where do they draw the blood?

The probably draw it right there in the store.

 

[cantstoppeating]

No blood draws needed, it's literally just a drop:

 

[charlie]

Nice!

 

[narouz]

https://raypeatforum.com/forums/posts/96521/ No blood draws needed, it's literally just a drop:

Oh yeah.
Now that you mention it,
I remember reading an article about that Theranos company/founder woman.
I didn't connect that with Walgreens until now.

Pretty cool!
But they are only in like California and Arizona and maybe one place in Pennsylvania at present.
Hopefully they will spread.

 

[Such_Saturation]

One drop for any amount of tests?

 

[Milky]

Every time I check Theranos' site they still only show centers in Arizona primarily, with 1 in California and 1 in Pennsylvania. Been watching for a almost 2 years now and can't wait to be able to take advantage of their services.

 

[narouz]

Wanted to update with a lab comparison.

Here are my April iron lab numbers...

GGT 82 HIGH IU/L 0-65 01
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 378 ug/dL 250-450 01
UIBC 174 ug/dL 150-375 01
Iron, Serum 204 HIGH ug/dL 40-155 01
Iron Saturation 54 % 15-55 01
Ferritin, Serum 74 ng/mL 30-400 01
Hemoglobin 16.1 g/dL

And here are my recent August numbers...

GGT 61 IU/L 0-65 01
Iron Bind.Cap.(TIBC) 434 ug/dL 250-450 01
UIBC 354 ug/dL 150-375 01
Iron, Serum 80 ug/dL 40-155 01
Iron Saturation 18 % 15-55 01
Ferritin, Serum 28 LOW ng/mL 30-400 01
Hemoglobin 15.9 g/dL 12.6-17.7 01

I'm not sure if this is a good or bad progression.
Both the IBC and UIBC are up, with UIBC way up.
Ferritin way down--"LOW", in fact.
Hemoglobin nearly unchanged.
Iron Saturation way down.
Serum Iron way down....

I had been taking IP6 500mg + Inositol 500mg for about a month before August test.

 

[narouz]

I wanted to post this here too...

post 99479 For some reason this never occurred to me.
But just reading some of the threads about calcium,
and how just taking like 1/4 teaspoon eggshell calcium x3 per day yields about 2000mgs...

Often when I have meat it is inconvenient to have coffee or tea.
Whereas popping a little capsule of eggshell calcium would be easy.

For those, of course, who wish to lower/control their iron level.

Here is a study showing that calcium at meals does block iron.
Final paragraph:

By and large, studies on the effect of calcium on iron absorption
based on direct measurements of iron absorption show that
calcium inhibits iron absorption. The exceptions reported can be
explained. Failure of the effect of calcium, when comparisons
are based on changes in concentration of serum ferritin, can be
explained by the fact that a long time and large amounts of materials
are required to show the effect. The balance of evidence
thus clearly indicates that calcium in amounts present in many
meals inhibits the absorption of both heme and nonheme iron. A
practical conclusion is that those with high iron requirements
(eg, adolescents and menstruating and pregnant women) should
try to restrict calcium intake with main meals, which contain
most of the dietary iron, and that calcium supplements, when
needed, should preferably be taken when going to bed.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/68/1/3.full.pdf

 

[narouz]

I just wanted to note that
after I saw my labs (above) showing the rather strange results,
with ferritin lowered dramatically below range
and serum iron not much affected,
I stopped taking the IP6.

When I went to donate blood after seeing those labs,
the quick serum iron test they do on you at Red Cross
was 14.9
So, an improvement over my usual 16 or 17 results.

And today--about two months later--it was 14.1
So...coming along.

I'm pursuing a different regiment these days--
have made some changes to my diet and supplements
and have had good results.
I forget whether I have talked about them in this thread...?
But, in short, I have come to think I have a yeast/fungus/candida problem
and have been experimenting with different supplements,
some Peaty, some not.
Amongst the latter are certain specific probiotics which have anti-fungal actions.
My theory is that the fungi cause inflammation in my gut,
inflammation causes the high iron.

Not sure how to feel about the IP6 at this point.
It did seem to make my low back pain worse, for some reason.
And also seemed to cause me some nerve problems in my right foot.
After I stopped the IP6 that foot pain went away
and my back ache returned to its normal level of achey-ness.
Maybe the IP6 was displacing iron but not disposing it?
Don't know.

But overall I've seen good progress (from my hypothesized anti-Candida battle).
My main problem had been pretty severe palpitations, skips, racing
when I tried to dose up appropriately (to signs and labs) with NDT (I'm hypothyroid).
So, for nearly a year I was stuck in HypoLand:
if I tried to add NDT the palpitations would appear.

I think I've pretty much pinned it down to the probiotics
as the main actor in stopping the palpitations.
My hypothesis here is that the probiotics quell or kill the fungi,
which caused gut inflammation, serotonin, estrogen, gut permeability,etc.
And that gut fall-out overloaded my liver,
and the liver overload caused the palpitations.

So...making progress....

 

[David Chung]

I took IP6 for a whole year, around 2-5 grams per day, with disastrous results. I didn't know what was happening to me, because bad things happened slowly, but here is a list of them:

(1) increasing incidents of back pains in relation to exercise (both weight training and jogging);
(2) decreased light sensitivity in my eyes;
(3) increased cramps (I never used to cramp);
(4) overall weakness;
(5) decreased aerobic capacity.

These were severe, though not crippling. I had been enjoying years of great health until this particular experiment with IP6. To correct the problems, I tried supplementing with various vitamins/minerals, but took years to get back.

I still don't know exactly what happened, but when I was using IP6, it seemed as if all my exercise recovery ability was compromised and I had aged extra 10-20 years. To me, IP6 was the "death" supplement that inhibited healthy cellular metabolism. It makes sense that IP6 is anti-cancer.

I guess the lesson here is to be careful with all supplements and get blood work done frequently.

 

[thebigpeatowski]

My hypothesis here is that the probiotics quell or kill the fungi,
which caused gut inflammation, serotonin, estrogen, gut permeability,etc.
And that gut fall-out overloaded my liver,
and the liver overload caused the palpitations.

So...making progress....

Wow....I just found this thread narouz, I had NO idea....still can't believe you didn't invite me to The Party.

How is your progress now? Have you done 90 days of high dose Nystatin?

I came here to learn about iron chelation/overload as part of my education on how it may contribute to inflammation with regards to blood sugar dysregulation, diabetes specifically....but damn, I got page after page of bickering bull****.

As a Candida Believer, I guess that makes me an Infidel......Don't throw nothin' at me!

*ducks and runs for her life*

 

[narouz]

Wow....I just found this thread narouz, I had NO idea....still can't believe you didn't invite me to The Party.

How is your progress now? Have you done 90 days of high dose Nystatin?

I came here to learn about iron chelation/overload as part of my education on how it may contribute to inflammation with regards to blood sugar dysregulation, diabetes specifically....but damn, I got page after page of bickering bull****.

As a Candida Believer, I guess that makes me an Infidel......Don't throw nothin' at me!

*ducks and runs for her life*

Hey BigP!
Sorry I never responded to this--I just saw it.
I don't get email notices like I'm supposed--on this or some other threads.
The IP6 experiment was no biggie---just inconclusive results.

Oh...I forgot this was the thread where I had some discussions with a certain mod--the "bickering" :>)