IP6 For Iron Chelation

[narouz]

I carry too much iron,
so I'm always on the lookout for ways to get rid of it.
(No...I won't do leeches and probably bleeding myself is out too. )

I donate as often as I'm allowed.

This IP6 stuff...
I guess it is a form of inositol.
There are claims that it really gets the iron out!
Especially from the colon,
where it is implicated in colon and rectal cancers.

Here is a site saying, among other things,
that IP6 is best taken in equal ratio with inositol.
http://ip-6.net/faq.html

And this was an interesting site:
http://knowledgeofhealth.com/the-hunt-for-known-cure/

I guess it is also correct to call it simply Phytic Acid.
Here's the Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytic_acid

A couple of red flags have popped up as I have casually perused this substance.
Peatian flags, I mean.
1. Isn't phytic acid kinduv a bad thing in PeatDom?
2. Perhaps it was at one of the sites above that I saw that, I think,
IP6 delivers more phosphate inside the cell.
Is that a good or bad thing in Peat's view?
Things are so flip-floppy about inside the cell vs outside the cell ideal chemistries
that I have a hard time keeping track of it.

Also, I do know that there are other Peatian iron chelators out there,
and wouldn't mind updating those.
-aspirin
-B1
-some of the Peatian antibiotics (personally, I can't see doing that for iron chelation, but...)

Thought?

 

[narouz]

Oh...I meant to add to that list LactoFerrin.
I don't know much about it,
but it claims to bind iron.
But does it help excrete it?

 

[Such_Saturation]

Narouz, I've read that donating would cut the levels consistently no matter the condition. Is it not doing enough?

 

[narouz]

I go in: 17
I go back 56 days later: 17
I go back 56 days later: 17
etc...

I know those simple measures don't tell the whole story.
But I've had more sensitive iron bloodwork done
and it tends to be high, to way high.
One time a couple years ago
it was so high that I did the arithmetic of ratios for hemachromotosis
and I was (barely) in.
But a specialist said I didn't have hemachromotosis.
He said on the x-rays I had post my appendectomy
my liver would be all black--that's how people with hemachromotosis show...

I've had trouble with thyroid meds assimilating well.
Iron can do that.

I had irritated anus after pooping--bumps appeared on butt for like 6 months, sometimes bled a little.
Those are gone and my butt is better!
But still...I think too much iron in me. :)

 

[Such_Saturation]

You mean they don't even take your ferritin? You must sure like steaks

 

[johns74]

You mean they don't even take your ferritin? You must sure like steaks

or consumed a lot of iron-enriched flour in the past. Or took a lot of vitamin C and increased iron absorption. Or avoided consuming a lot of dairy for a while.

 

[Such_Saturation]

You mean they don't even take your ferritin? You must sure like steaks

or consumed a lot of iron-enriched flour in the past. Or took a lot of vitamin C and increased iron absorption. Or avoided consuming a lot of dairy for a while.

I don't think it could even make it out into the blood in that timeframe... something is off.

 

[johns74]

I don't think it could even make it out into the blood in that timeframe... something is off.

What are you talking about? It couldn't make it out into the blood and accumulate over a timeframe of 60 years?

 

[Such_Saturation]

I don't think it could even make it out into the blood in that timeframe... something is off.

What are you talking about? It couldn't make it out into the blood and accumulate over a timeframe of 60 years?

He is taking out a pint of blood every two months.

 

[narouz]

You mean they don't even take your ferritin? You must sure like steaks

or consumed a lot of iron-enriched flour in the past. Or took a lot of vitamin C and increased iron absorption. Or avoided consuming a lot of dairy for a while.

I've just been attending to iron for like 4 years or so.
But none of those things apply, I don't think, johns.
Some people carry too much iron.
They are not necessarily hemachromotosistic.
They just have too much iron.

Peat knows this and says it's not a beautiful condition.
But beyond donating and not eating meat or eating meat with coffee...
he doesn't go into it deeply.

 

[narouz]

You mean they don't even take your ferritin? You must sure like steaks

Yeah! I think it is possible that might be what got me into that state.
A couple of years ago.
I mean...I was eating exactly Peatish all day,
and then when I came home I did have steak and coco fried potatoes often.

On the other hand, my iron is still high lately, when I've only been having low amounts of meat.

I tend to think I'm an iron accumulator.
There is such a thing.

 

[Tarmander]

I read that hemochromatosis is like an accumulation of genetic factors, not necessarily one gene, and that you are pushed over the edge so to speak. Could be you have some of these factors but not a lot of them narouz.

Also, do they test your iron levels when you give blood? I'm going to start giving blood and would like to know what all free tests they run.

 

[Tarmander]

This was what I read on hemochromatosis from 23andme:

Mutations in a number of genes can cause hereditary hemochromatosis (HH). The HFE gene is most often linked to HH, and 23andMe reports data for the three most common HFE mutations — C282Y, H63D, and S65C. At least 17 additional mutations in the HFE gene (not reported here) have been linked to HH, but all of them are very rare. Sixty to 90 percent of people with HH have two copies of the C282Y mutation and are prone to higher levels of iron in the body, which in a small percentage of cases leads to clinical symptoms of hemochromatosis such as liver disease and arthritis. Individuals with any other combination of these three mutations usually do not develop clinical symptoms or typically have only a mild form of the condition (read more in the technical report). Other genetic and non-genetic factors also influence whether someone with one or more of these mutations goes on to develop hemochromatosis. Keep in mind that it is possible to have another mutation that causes this condition that is not included in this report.

 

[narouz]

I read that hemochromatosis is like an accumulation of genetic factors, not necessarily one gene, and that you are pushed over the edge so to speak. Could be you have some of these factors but not a lot of them narouz.

Also, do they test your iron levels when you give blood? I'm going to start giving blood and would like to know what all free tests they run.

Yeah, there is a genetic hemachromotosis test I could do for like $500.
One parent could have it. Both parents could.

In the USA where I donate, the Red Cross,
they have a little machine and they prick your finger and it takes like seconds.
Must be serum iron.
That's it.

 

[Tarmander]

You can do 23andme and its a lot cheaper and it told me my hemochromatosis results. I think now they don't give you the health stuff but there are other sites you can plug your stuff into that will.

 

[narouz]

You can do 23andme and its a lot cheaper and it told me my hemochromatosis results. I think now they don't give you the health stuff but there are other sites you can plug your stuff into that will.

Thanks!
I'll check that out! :)

 

[Wilfrid]

Do you know your current ceruloplasmin levels?

 

[Such_Saturation]

So what changes if he knows what his genes are like? Nothing About chelation, there would also be speed limits in that, even more important than those in donation, of course.

 

[narouz]

So what changes if he knows what his genes are like? Nothing About chelation, there would also be speed limits in that, even more important than those in donation, of course.

Yeah.
But it could be helpful in one regard at least:
if I could prove I have hemachromotosis,
doctors would let me donate frequently.

I really don't think I have it.
I think I just have too much iron.

 

[narouz]

Do you know your current ceruloplasmin levels?

No, I don't, Wilfrid.
In fact, I confess I don't even know what that is.
I'll do some research! :)