Deconstructing The Carnivore Diet Superpowers

[GreekDemiGod]

Many of us on this forum have done the Carnivore Diet. There are amazing libido benefits that people experience on the diet. Granted, sometimes it's not long-term as it was in my case, but I was thinking on how we can extract and get the same benefits on a Peat-inspired diet.
I got some of my hardest erections ever on Carnivore.

I’ve tried literally every diet (not joking) and eating only fatty beef, salt, and water is probably the worst thing you can do for semen retention BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SO DAMN VIRILE AND HORNY. It’s like being on adderall, viagra, and anabolic steroids at once. Check out zerocarb reddit or google “carnivore diet” best thing I ever did
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So what's exactly the secret here and how we can get the same benefits without the negatives?
Is it the high-protein intake? The high animal (saturated) fat intake? The high nutrient density? The Creatine, Carnitine? The high cholesterol?

 

[EIRE24]

I think it’s all of the above.

 

[Auslander]

As is often the case, the link could have been totally casual and experience anecdotal. Sorry but this isn't worth a thread. I’ve had really good sex lately right after being pissed off full of adrenalin and cortisol. So maybe there’s your answer right there. Unless the connection was also casual and the experience anecdotal. People also get very horny on high sugar diets. And go flaccid on low carb.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Auslander There are countless anecdotes on meatheals dot com, FB groups. Men generally see a dramatic increase in libido when going Carnivore, that is the norm. Of course, there are opposite cases, too, but I bet that's a low percentage.

 

[Auslander]

Btw don’t people taking anabolic steroids have their balls invariably shrink to the size of dried raisins? Perhaps not the best analogy for horniness.

 

[Auslander]

@Auslander There are countless anecdotes on meatheals dot com, FB groups. Men generally see a dramatic increase in libido when going Carnivore, that is the norm. Of course, there are opposite cases, too, but I bet that's a low percentage.

I am very skeptical of these individual experiences. There are so many variables, more often then not these subjective experiences are totally untrustworthy.

Example, I am on a very stable diet for years, yet I get various waves with different levels of horniness. All my variables are pretty dam constant, yet the libido changes back and forth.

Now, add some kind of dietary change or action that will happen to correlate with one of the upturns or downturns...and tada...I have a proven effect to write about.

That is what I mean.

 

[Rafael Lao Wai]

Many of us on this forum have done the Carnivore Diet. There are amazing libido benefits that people experience on the diet. Granted, sometimes it's not long-term as it was in my case, but I was thinking on how we can extract and get the same benefits on a Peat-inspired diet.
I got some of my hardest erections ever on Carnivore.

I’ve tried literally every diet (not joking) and eating only fatty beef, salt, and water is probably the worst thing you can do for semen retention BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SO DAMN VIRILE AND HORNY. It’s like being on adderall, viagra, and anabolic steroids at once. Check out zerocarb reddit or google “carnivore diet” best thing I ever did
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So what's exactly the secret here and how we can get the same benefits without the negatives?
Is it the high-protein intake? The high animal (saturated) fat intake? The high nutrient density? The Creatine, Carnitine? The high cholesterol?

Zinc and vitamin B3 must play a role too.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I am very skeptical of these individual experiences. There are so many variables, more often then not these subjective experiences are totally untrustworthy.

I think skepticism is valid. People who write about the benefits either were on SAD before, or had poor libido in any other way.
To someone like that, raising libido to a higher levels is experienced as something extraordinary, only because of their perception and them being used to a lower baseline level of libido.
This is why I am a bit skeptical too.
I remember even reading about someone who took his T levels from 300 ng/dL to 900 ng/dL purely on Carnivore.

• animal fat and animal fatty meat is generally androgenic.
• cholesterol is androgenic

One of the biggest signs that CV was not for me whas that my strength poor and not to the same level as with carbohydrates.

Another general observation with regard to protein intake. I generally feel more manly on a high-ish protein intake. (not extremely high intake, like bodybuilders do). But I can feel an immediate difference if I average 150g of protein / day, let's say, VS 100g.
I can't exactly put it into words what makes me feel this way, it's an intuitive feeling. Strength is higher, that is one.

I suppose vegan men feel less manly.

 

[Charger]

My libido drops on carnivore/keto.

Though I do like the mental clarity benefits I seem to experience with it, and enjoy the food more than a high carb/low fat diet.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Sygnal Maybe folks with broken metabolism are the ones who experience the libido benefits on CV. Another theory I'm thinking having to do rate of cholestherol synthesis / responders (I'm a hyper-responder to LDL) and steroid hormones production.

 

[laleto12]

I tried the carnivore diet for 7 months and my libido was literally non-existent on that diet. I was dead inside. It didnt come back until I ate some carbs. Im 20 btw so... that diet wasnt for me for sure.

 

[milkbasedvegan]

I’m a hyper responder to LDL and my libido drops on keto eventually. I’ve tried carnivore twice, in 2015 and last month. It’s enjoyable but benefits are quick to vanish. Perhaps because I’m shredded already and don’t have much body fat to burn. It’s not a wild guess to assume keto/carnivores enthusiasts do have a lot of body fat to burn.

I think the main benefit to carnivore is what many scientists have theorized: no residue, no gut inflammation. Most disease are caused by organ irritation caused by foods: lectins, exorphins, fiber, plant toxins etc.

The alternative to a meat based diet is a fruit based diet, with some fish and yolks for full spectrum nutrition. For one, it makes as much if not even more sense than meat based, anatomically speaking. For two, idk how muscle meat eaters deal with long term phosphorus and iron overload. For three, males on this diet appear to bald and age fast whereas the only successful diet that lead to dramatic hair regrowth on YouTube is fruit based - with a lot of watermelon in it (vegan police)

Granted, carnivores think sugar is absolutely evil. So they’ll never move on from beef and test it out.

I for one don’t have any bias and zero issue totally flipping off my dietary ideas. N=1: if we’re talking hair and general health, nothing beats my mock-Kempner diet (white rice, fruit, juice, coconut milk, fish, yolks). Same very low residue and tons of fast burning energy. If we’re talking about incredible erections... nothing beats pomegranate and watermelon #TMI

 

[Auslander]

@milkbasedvegan
What do you do with the whites? Why not eat the whole damn egg?

 

[milkbasedvegan]

I’m not sure how valid it is to claim that carnosine, carnitine, creatine are important to humans. Might as well go ahead and claim that naringin, Ellagic acid, citrulline are important too. No one knows which micros are primordial.

Pomegranate Juice - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

Pomegranate juice has a number of reported benefits on cardiac health, including decreasing plaque size in atherosclerosis and reducing LDL cholesterol oxidation. It has also been shown to increase levels of salivary testosterone by 24% after 1 week of consumption and reduce both systolic and diastolic blood pressure. These purported effects are most likely due to the high concentration of polyphenolic compounds in pomegranates, which have strong antioxidant action. In test tube studies, pomegranate extract was shown to have antiestrogenic and antiaromatase activity as well

Say what you want about high LDL, to me that’s hypothyroidism in a nutshell. I don’t wanna eat high fat and have to supplement thyroid to get normal LDL and testosterone when I could eat fruit instead.

So far my bloodworks (American units) on:

- 2015, carnivore: LDL 290 HDL 100 TG 50 Testosterone 800 free T 1% (LOW) E2 10 (LOW)

- 2019, fruit based vegan: LDL 100 HDL 45 TG 70 Testosterone 630 free T 2% E2 15

please note that I’ve used all kinds of harshly suppressive anabolic steroids between 2016 and 2018.
Next bloodwork on my current modified Kempner diet will be in April I believe. Let’s just say it feels good to wake up stiff in the right areas

 

[milkbasedvegan]

@milkbasedvegan
What do you do with the whites? Why not eat the whole damn egg?

egg white allergy is extremely common. My parents have tested positive to it. I haven’t paid for it to self diagnose, I listen to my body. Been in this game for a while, I know what causes rashes, itches, zits.

I eat my yolks raw. Don’t eat egg whites raw. If you’re tolerant, good for you

there’s always a damn good reason to why I do what I do.

 

[Bogdar]

I have to agree. Been on the carnivore diet, and damn I felt the same way. So horny, erections were so tough, and was "virile" etc etc. I stopped the diet and it disappeared little by little.

 

[Jamo77]

I got some of my hardest erections ever on Carnivore.

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I had the same experience but like you I couldn’t continue just eating meat.​

 

[Jamo77]

I started to lose weight quick doing carnivore but maybe that is a potential issue for some - the release of toxins previously in the fat enters the blood stream.

 

[Samya]

I think skepticism is valid. People who write about the benefits either were on SAD before, or had poor libido in any other way.
To someone like that, raising libido to a higher levels is experienced as something extraordinary, only because of their perception and them being used to a lower baseline level of libido.
This is why I am a bit skeptical too.
I remember even reading about someone who took his T levels from 300 ng/dL to 900 ng/dL purely on Carnivore.

• animal fat and animal fatty meat is generally androgenic.
• cholesterol is androgenic

One of the biggest signs that CV was not for me whas that my strength poor and not to the same level as with carbohydrates.

Another general observation with regard to protein intake. I generally feel more manly on a high-ish protein intake. (not extremely high intake, like bodybuilders do). But I can feel an immediate difference if I average 150g of protein / day, let's say, VS 100g.
I can't exactly put it into words what makes me feel this way, it's an intuitive feeling. Strength is higher, that is one.

I suppose vegan men feel less manly.

I'm another one where my libido and energy in general dropped on a VLC/ZC/CV diet and increased when reintroducing carbs. When I first reintroduced potatoes I was the hardest I'd been for months the next morning. I tend to think that low-carb was possibly a winter diet, where carbs were reintroduced in the summer/autumn months and would probably increase libido/fertitlity (I recall reading that the gonads need carbs) and reproduction. Another thing that makes me think this way is that the only time I think of eating meat nowadays is during winter, where I'm cold and remember feeling more resilient to the cold when I was eating meat. Ancestrally it makes sense that the closer to the equator and warmer the weather the more carbs would have been a part of the diet.

You mention how your strength was poor which reminded me of something I've recently been thinking about, how both exercise and the creative aspect of life are defined by energy and movement, not eating carbs clearly limits the ability to exercise at full intensity so may also limit the creative expression of life. I remember when I was low-carb and used to 'refeed' and my brain would suddenly wake up and I'd be compelled to start writing again, trying to capture the creative thoughts and my thoughts would often become more metaphysically insightful.

I also felt much more 'manly' on a meat heavy diet, although I don't beleive that being less manly is necessarily a bad thing, especially if one subscribes to the view that a youthful metabolism is one of the keys of health. I'm in my mid thirties and often told I look in my twenties, still feel like a boy and will try to keep that going indefinitely, I don't see the appeal in being manly.

The alternative to a meat based diet is a fruit based diet, with some fish and yolks for full spectrum nutrition. For one, it makes as much if not even more sense than meat based, anatomically speaking. For two, idk how muscle meat eaters deal with long term phosphorus and iron overload.

Granted, carnivores think sugar is absolutely evil. So they’ll never move on from beef and test it out.

I used to think carbs were pathogenic after reading GCBC and buying into the low-carb dogma, then believed that beef was the best food. I think anyone that actually wants to find the truth and isn't invested in an low-carb public image will keep looking beyond such a limitation on nutrition. I do think some get caught in the 'I'm going to eat this way forever' mind-set because they believe it's optimal and energy deficiency generally seems to lead to a 'locked in' mind-state where openness is reduced. I don't believe I've now found the truth either, if anything I'm just open minded about it. I think it's interesting we're the only animals on this planet where so many don't know what to eat to be healthy, and how diet may influence evolution it's like being at a crossroads and not knowing which way to go.

 

[redsun]

Many of us on this forum have done the Carnivore Diet. There are amazing libido benefits that people experience on the diet. Granted, sometimes it's not long-term as it was in my case, but I was thinking on how we can extract and get the same benefits on a Peat-inspired diet.
I got some of my hardest erections ever on Carnivore.

I’ve tried literally every diet (not joking) and eating only fatty beef, salt, and water is probably the worst thing you can do for semen retention BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU SO DAMN VIRILE AND HORNY. It’s like being on adderall, viagra, and anabolic steroids at once. Check out zerocarb reddit or google “carnivore diet” best thing I ever did
​

So what's exactly the secret here and how we can get the same benefits without the negatives?
Is it the high-protein intake? The high animal (saturated) fat intake? The high nutrient density? The Creatine, Carnitine? The high cholesterol?

Highly dependent on what you were eating beforehand but fatty red meat as the sole food can work for quite a while and give high libido because it has most things needed for libido though the B vitamins can be lacking if its just muscle meat. It wouldnt be an issue right away and for some seemingly never.

Its high in iron, zinc, B6 which can dramatically lower prolactin and that alone can raise sex drive. Usually the lower the prolactin the higher the sex drive (higher dopamine of course).

It also has all the amino acids needed for sexual function in liberal quantities. Arginine, histidine, tyrosine/phenylalanine, for example... Non-meat foods like milk and eggs lack arginine for nitric oxide, a basic thing needed you will easily have a low intake of if you don't eat meat.

Also the B3, B6, zinc, iron content helps making steroid hormones which are absolutely essential. The other B vitamins play a role as well but meat has the major ones for that.

A carnivore diet that incorporated organs would be even more sufficient in all the nutrients I just mentioned. You would get massive amounts of cholesterol and choline adding in organs which are pro-sexual nutrients while just steaks dont have as much cholesterol and choline in comparison.