Coronavirus: How Come Germans Have 40 Times Less Chances To Die Than Italians ?

[burtlancast]

Coronavirus Update (Live): 155,817 Cases and 5,814 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Something's going on in Germany as they seem to cope incredibly well with the infection and show astoundingly low death rates compared to Italians, at identical infection levels.

Maybe the fact Germany has the most liberal health care system in the world, and alternative therapies can be administered by doctors ?

@Giraffe ?

 

[Kvothe]

Maybe the fact Germany has the most liberal health care system in the world,

What are you talking about ? Doctors and health care providers here are as dogmatic as anywhere, we just have universal access to it. Besides, mortality and total infections are similarly low in South Korea. The high number of deaths in northern Italy is a bit puzzling. A minor factor certainly seems to be that Italians there are very old, and their health care systems sucks. Still, I can't really make sense of the very high mortality (6% currently)

 

[Collden]

Denmark, Sweden and Austria are coping similarly well. The difference is not only in deaths but in number of infected developing severe symptoms as well, indicating it is not due to healthcare.

Might have something to do with the high level of habitual exercise and general cardiorespiratory fitness in these countries. Italians in contrast do notoriously little exercise.

 

[Kingpinguin]

Denmark, Sweden and Austria are coping similarly well. The difference is not only in deaths but in number of people developing severe symptoms as well, indicating it is not due to healthcare.

Might have something to do with the high level of habitual exercise and general cardiorespiratory fitness in these countries. Italians in contrast do notoriously little exercise.

dont think it has hit sweden so hard yet. We stopped testing for it aswell. So no one is getting tested with symptoms here unless you’re on the verge of dying.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

I am guessing much stricter following of sanitation procedures, more obedience as a nation to follow the rules.

 

[Collden]

dont think it has hit sweden so hard yet. We stopped testing for it aswell. So no one is getting tested with symptoms here unless you’re on the verge of dying.

Yes and that would if anything inflate the ratio of severe cases to total infections. It hit Sweden about the same time it hit Spain and France, and those countries have way more deaths/severe cases already.

 

[RWilly]

Potatoes vs. Pasta?

 

[Homo Consumericus]

Potatoes vs. Pasta?

Germanic meritocratic healthcare vs Mediterranean nepotistic healthcare.

 

[Redshine]

Maybe because in the south part of Europe live is more outside and with family. In the north it is warmer than usual but spring didnt really set in. It could be a simple (maybe too simple) part of it.

Maybe because we already have to deal with the flu (not just a cold) but a die hard flu that we somehow cope better with it.

Hope it will stabilise the next 2 weeks and that the number just dont go up further.

 

[burtlancast]

What are you talking about ? Doctors and health care providers here are as dogmatic as anywhere, we just have universal access to it. Besides, mortality and total infections are similarly low in South Korea. The high number of deaths in northern Italy is a bit puzzling. A minor factor certainly seems to be that Italians there are very old, and their health care systems sucks. Still, I can't really make sense of the very high mortality (6% currently)

Sorry, i thought about this:Therapy freedom - Wikipedia which apparently is only available in Germany.

 

[LLight]

Isn't fasting a bigger thing than in other countries? Except Russia.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Chinese Uigur confirmed Covid-19 case in Germany. You can’t make this ***t up, this country is a joke

 

[Gone Peating]

Germanic meritocratic healthcare vs Mediterranean nepotistic healthcare.

I know a German girl who was throwing up continuously one night and was very worried about dehydration.

None of the hospitals would admit her

Probably to save money

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Isn't fasting a bigger thing than in other countries? Except Russia.

Heilfasten, yes. But it’s not like millions do it routinely. It’s a health trend basically that saw its peak popularity decades ago.
Some deny themselves some things like sugar or alcohol between carnival and Easter though

 

[Kvothe]

Sorry, i thought about this:Therapy freedom - Wikipedia which apparently is only available in Germany.

That's true, but what good is it that your doctor can choose alternative therapies when he thinks just like every other doctor. Also, there are no alternative approaches to Sars-Cov-2.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Why is lethality higher in Italy should be the focus. Isn’t it also very high in Iran?

 

[Braveheart]

What are you talking about ? Doctors and health care providers here are as dogmatic as anywhere, we just have universal access to it. Besides, mortality and total infections are similarly low in South Korea. The high number of deaths in northern Italy is a bit puzzling. A minor factor certainly seems to be that Italians there are very old, and their health care systems sucks. Still, I can't really make sense of the very high mortality (6% currently)

I heard it attributed to the fact that that No. Italy is very polluted...can't find the discussion at the moment

 

[aquaman]

Coronavirus Update (Live): 155,817 Cases and 5,814 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Something's going on in Germany as they seem to cope incredibly well with the infection and show astoundingly low death rates compared to Italians, at identical infection levels.

Maybe the fact Germany has the most liberal health care system in the world, and alternative therapies can be administered by doctors ?

@Giraffe ?

the best socialised medicine system in the world

Easy free full access for all, proper investment into staffing and provision of intensive care beds etc.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Giraffe did an entire post on how one of the most polluted areas in all of Europe accounts for most of the "Corona Deaths" in Italy.

One Of Europe's Most Polluted Areas Accounts For Most Of Italy's 'Corona Death': The Po Valley

Air Quality in Germany is significantly better overall than Italy, and no areas appear to approach the poor quality of Po Valley.

Air Pollution in Germany: Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map

 

[Peater Piper]

Italy also has the most number of cases outside of China, and as a percent of the total population as well. They all happened in about a three week period. The hospitals are overwhelmed. There's probably many people dying due to inadequate care. I would expect the same thing could happen anywhere, including Germany and S. Korea, but they've been able to keep the spread manageable to prevent overloading their healthcare infrastructure.