Best/safest Form Of Supplemental Magnesium?

[Philomath]

Found this in a school gym supply catalog:
http://www.quest-nutrition.com/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=41
It's gym chalk, pure calcium carbonate by the bucket or ball - and it's cheap!

 

[tara]

Found this in a school gym supply catalog:
http://www.quest-nutrition.com/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=41
It's gym chalk, pure calcium carbonate by the bucket or ball - and it's cheap!

As you say, I assume it is calcium carbonate, since that's what chalk is, though their ad says magnesium carbonate.

 

[lindsay]

Found this in a school gym supply catalog:
http://www.quest-nutrition.com/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=41
It's gym chalk, pure calcium carbonate by the bucket or ball - and it's cheap!

As you say, I assume it is calcium carbonate, since that's what chalk is, though their ad says magnesium carbonate.

A quick Google search and it seems there is a lot of gym chalk that is magnesium carbonate. It's worth looking into for sure!

 

[tara]

Found this in a school gym supply catalog:
http://www.quest-nutrition.com/store/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=41
It's gym chalk, pure calcium carbonate by the bucket or ball - and it's cheap!

As you say, I assume it is calcium carbonate, since that's what chalk is, though their ad says magnesium carbonate.

A quick Google search and it seems there is a lot of gym chalk that is magnesium carbonate. It's worth looking into for sure!

Interesting. But I would be a bit more confident about powders intended for human consumption - can't imagine they'd be too worried about a bit of various contaminants if it's just for external use.
You can get powder intended as supplement for $20-25/k, which would last quite a while.

 

[Philomath]

That's the problem... There are too few actually "made for human consumption" because people view the other forms of magnesium as better absorbed. I believe it is being consumed by humans already, especially gymnasts. They don't eat it, they just absorb it through their hands If you want organic, try this:[/url]http://www.jtreelife.com/collections/chalk/products/plain-white-chalk

 

[Gl;itch.e]

NOW makes a good powder magnesium carbonate. It's probably not as cheap as the volume you'd get from the gym chalk but its still damn cheap.

 

[marcar72]

I personally would avoid carbonate forms of supplements because they can neutralize stomach acid, then you might not be able to properly digest your food and get the nutrition you need. I would seek to minimize ingesting carbonate, baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, etc, etc, rather to say.

Improperly digested food to you becomes food for the bacteria in your large intestine, also.

So there's some food for thought. :2cents

 

[Gl;itch.e]

I personally would avoid carbonate forms of supplements because they can neutralize stomach acid, then you might not be able to properly digest your food and get the nutrition you need. I would seek to minimize ingesting carbonate, baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, etc, etc, rather to say.

Improperly digested food to you becomes food for the bacteria in your large intestine, also.

So there's some food for thought. :2cents

I suppose its really a question of quantity and timing in this regard then. i.e 400mg Magnesium from Magnesium Carbonate is a really small amount and couldnt neutralize much stomach acid compared to the comparitively large amounts of baking soda people would use therapeutically. You could also just take it at times away from large meals if it was an issue for you.

 

[tara]

I personally would avoid carbonate forms of supplements because they can neutralize stomach acid, then you might not be able to properly digest your food and get the nutrition you need. I would seek to minimize ingesting carbonate, baking soda, sodium bicarbonate, etc, etc, rather to say.

Improperly digested food to you becomes food for the bacteria in your large intestine, also.

So there's some food for thought. :2cents

If I've understood him, Peat recommends calcium carbonate as supplement if calcium from food is not adequate. Egg shells and oyster shells are mostly calcium carbonate. Don't know what he says about mag. carb. though.

 

[cbar09]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

 

[tara]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm going to try this. Sale at purebulk ends 11.59 pm 27 Nov.

 

[tara]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm going to try this. Sale at purebulk ends 11.59 pm 27 Nov.

Do you know if there is any reason to first mix the mag. hydroxide powder with water to make MoM before mixing with carbonated water? Or would it work just as well to add the corresponding amount of powder straight into the bottle of carbonated water? Seems simpler.

 

[cbar09]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm going to try this. Sale at purebulk ends 11.59 pm 27 Nov.

Do you know if there is any reason to first mix the mag. hydroxide powder with water to make MoM before mixing with carbonated water? Or would it work just as well to add the corresponding amount of powder straight into the bottle of carbonated water? Seems simpler.

Sounds reasonable to me. And if there is extra white stuff settling at the bottom of the bottle after shaking, you probably just need to add more carbonated water. I measured my dose out to 1g of Mg[OH]2 per liter of carbonated water which is ~400mg of Magnesium. and drank about a liter a day. Be careful about overdoing it though, you can certainly take too much Mg and this is a highly absorbable form.

 

[tara]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm going to try this. Sale at purebulk ends 11.59 pm 27 Nov.

Do you know if there is any reason to first mix the mag. hydroxide powder with water to make MoM before mixing with carbonated water? Or would it work just as well to add the corresponding amount of powder straight into the bottle of carbonated water? Seems simpler.

Sounds reasonable to me. And if there is extra white stuff settling at the bottom of the bottle after shaking, you probably just need to add more carbonated water. I measured my dose out to 1g of Mg[OH]2 per liter of carbonated water which is ~400mg of Magnesium. and drank about a liter a day. Be careful about overdoing it though, you can certainly take too much Mg and this is a highly absorbable form.

I was thinking of aiming for ~400 mg magnesium too. How would I know if I got too much?

 

[narouz]

This is an interesting discussion about magnesium "oil" / topical route:

http://culinarytidbits.com/how-to-make-magnesium-oil-spray-painless/

 

[narouz]

And here is an interesting blog article about magnesium deficiency
and, for one thing, it's possible relationship to thyroid problems.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2010/05/19/magnesium/

(BTW, I believe maybe tara mentioned tooth difficulties. And Charlie has too.
There is a bit in the article about magnesium deficiency and problems with teeth, FWIW)

In the last Peat interview, a caller asked an off-topic question
which was very interesting to me.

He asked, on behalf of his wife I believe, about what could cause a change
in ability to utilize thyroid supplements--
I think in his wife's case it was T4 & T3, Cynoplus, as I recall.
He said his wife had done well on the supps for a while
then rather suddenly couldn't tolerate them.
I can't remember what symptoms constituted this intolerance
(forgive me if I'm not perfectly accurate in my memory of the discussion,
but I do have the minute mark in the interview where the discussion occurs...in my notes...)

Peat said he had seen difficulties of that sort caused by magnesium deficiency.
I'd heard/read Peat mention this relationship before, but this latest discussion re-emphasized it to me.
He mentioned specific amounts of magnesium per T4 or T3 needed.

This intriqued me because I've experienced something like this myself over the past half year or better:
doing great on T4/T3 in rather high amounts,
then...doing badly.
I had tried some magnesium supps, but not perhaps in the volume or of the nature required.
Never tried the topical route, which I will (see my other post above).

 

[charlie]

This is an interesting discussion about magnesium "oil" / topical route:

http://culinarytidbits.com/how-to-make-magnesium-oil-spray-painless/

Excellent find narouz.

Such a great find it should probably have its own thread.

 

[narouz]

I've been experimenting with the dissolved Epsom Salts spray topical.

After the first couple of sprays,
it's a little like swimming in the ocean:
there's no unpleasant stickiness as with east-USA coastal swimming,
but there is the salt build-up or mineral build-up.

Really, after the first spray or so,
I think simple rehydration is all that's needed.
The magnesium salt builds up on the surface.
If wetted it will probably be absorbable as needed....

Peat has discussed how it counter-intuitively infuses up gradient.

 

[Stryker]

from experience magnesium glycinate is the best with taurate coming in a close second but it was a little bit too sedative for my liking.

i use albion "TRAACS" or Ethical Nutrients "MetaMag" depending on availability

200mg Elemental Equiv 3-4 Times Daily with 4 Hours spaced between doses was what worked best for me.

Biggest impacts were on sleep/water retention and irritability.

 

[cbar09]

If you don't want additives from MoM, you can buy pure magnesium hydroxide and mix with water/carbonated water to make your own Mg biCarbonate

http://purebulk.com/magnesium-hydroxide-powder/
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

I'm going to try this. Sale at purebulk ends 11.59 pm 27 Nov.

Do you know if there is any reason to first mix the mag. hydroxide powder with water to make MoM before mixing with carbonated water? Or would it work just as well to add the corresponding amount of powder straight into the bottle of carbonated water? Seems simpler.

Sounds reasonable to me. And if there is extra white stuff settling at the bottom of the bottle after shaking, you probably just need to add more carbonated water. I measured my dose out to 1g of Mg[OH]2 per liter of carbonated water which is ~400mg of Magnesium. and drank about a liter a day. Be careful about overdoing it though, you can certainly take too much Mg and this is a highly absorbable form.

I was thinking of aiming for ~400 mg magnesium too. How would I know if I got too much?

I noticed headaches and "high-adrenaline" type symptoms (heart racing, dizziness, general anxiety) when I accidentally swigged from the concentrated bottle I made of aqueous Magnesium Bicarbonate. If you eat a Peat diet already (high orange juice, or ripe fruits) you might try slowly titrating up the supplemental magnesium. I think I hit a wall after 3 or 4 days of the supplementing 400mg/day, where extra magnesium didn't seem to produce good effects. At the time I was consuming a lot of orange juice and hi-magnesium mineral water, so those things probably also contributed. In general, I think it's always good practice to start small and scale up the dose if you're not noticing detrimental affects.