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I had a person ask it some very simple inductive questions and it failed miserably. It can't even recognize basic geometric progressions such as 1, 4, 27, 256, 46656, 823543, and so on. In other words, it cannot "think" out of the box and discover/solve "known unknowns". It can only manipulate information it has already been fed in various ways that seem "novel" but aren't really creating any new knowledge. That's why it only works with language - a finite system that can be manipulated with statistical rules/transitions.
From "Mind and Tissue":
"The cortex is the mediator between inside and out. For an abstract person, like Descartes or Sartre or the average American scientist/salesman, all of reality is like a skin between the world and the self, leaving a vacuum for self and for world, except as there is arbitrary interaction in this abstract reality-skin. These are "cortical" people in the sense that their interacting self has very little to do with their body's highly determinate needs; they are the people that Pavlov called "intellectuals," dominated by the "second signalling system," language. According to Pavlov, they aren't quite at home in the world." (Emphasis mine)
These "cortical people" have been expressions of a derangement of the human condition stretching back in time. "Crests" in the waves of the ocean of this derangement manifest as exemplars of a philosophy of abstraction/explanation/deduction at the expense of energy/perception/feeling. People such as Kant and Descartes laid the foundation of this philosophy, followed by overly-abstract physicists and biologists, and on into the construction of "AI", programming, the "virtual world", and beyond. I have always seen these "verbal expression" as products of the underlying bio-energetic status of the organism-as-a-whole, as well as being catalysts of a vicious cycle that perpetuates the underlying bio-energetic status itself in others.
From "Mind and Tissue", next paragraph:I keep pointing out to people that true artificial general intelligence (AGI) akin to the one humans have is impossible, but it looks like most normies don't care and would trust this thing with their lives if promised easier/richer existence by letting it run their lives.
Artificial intelligence is impossible
Because the law of independence conservation states that no combination of randomness and determinism can create mutual information, then likewise no Turing machine nor artificial intelligence can…mindmatters.aiCould One Single Machine Invent Everything?
Computers can never originate, they only regurgitate. Humans, on the other hand, can come up with original ideas, i.e. they write the programs in the first place. So, my proof shows that the human…mindmatters.ai
"The type of person who grasps the world clearly and strongly, that Pavlov called the "artistic" type, dominated by the "first signalling system," perception, isn't necessarily over-concrete, as Pavlov seemed to imply. The person who uses his body in an integrated way, investing his imagination in important aspects of the real world, can deal with all of the complex and general aspects of society and history, but does it with a sense of purpose, rather than with the Sartrean sense of arbitrary choice. (Sartre's description of the "nausea" associated with this perception gives us a clear sense of the absence of orientation, physically resembling sea-sickness, in the extremely detached form of perception.)
The body and the "older" parts of the brain give precise shape to one's life, and the cortex helps to expand the possibilities that are open to that life." (emphasis mine).
The "artistic type" has always stood in contrast to the "intellectual type" as regards organismic functioning as well as social opposition in so far as its social goals are rarely in sync with the social goals of the intellectual type. Prime examples of the artistic type would be individuals such as William Blake, Goethe (who was a a contemporary of Kant and was vehemently opposed to Kant's philosophical ideas (for a great exposition of the intellectual differences in these two individuals see "Goethe, Kant, and Hegel: Discovering the Mind Volume 1" by the eminent philosophy Walter Kaufmann, wherein he makes the argument that, despite Kant's domination of philosophy at-large, Goethe was in fact the much more effective philosopher in the sense of understanding and offering constructive ideas regarding the human-being, and, as a second aside, Goethe actually carried out a very large body of scientific work himself on the nature of plant and animal morphology, light and color, see "Goethe's Way of Science" for an interesting exposition of this)...Wilhelm Reich, and of course Ray Peat.
Thus, the creators of this so-called "AI" have taken this dichotomy to (perhaps) it's furthest inevitable conclusion. ChatGPT has no organic body with its infinite bio-energetic processes constantly releasing energy and sensation, no perceptual apparatus with which to perceive surroundings on either a "conscious" or "subconscious" level, no guiding feelings of either pain or pleasure with which to help orient itself...only language, input, and man-made mathematical algorithms through which it "learns" how to "talk to other".
Obviously, as this intellectual philosophy proliferates and our modern technological environment is shaped in its image and the "digital culture" dominates, the power of chatGPT-type things only increases as the the normal human, who is already so cut-off from the First Signalling System falls further and further under the spell of the Second-Signalling System, i.e. the language system, which in today's culture also means "the propaganda system".
Now, what it CAN (and will) do is basically make the Internet completely unusable and turn it into a massive propaganda land, where the official party line is trumpeted from every direction. Yeah, I know this is already kind of happening but this thing will multiply it by a thousand. In a few years, all mainstream news will be written by this thing and likely all online discourse will turn into a futile and maddening back-and-forth as most of the agents we interact with online will be this thing. One can easily add a few billions new "users" on the Internet by using only a few servers and the endless logorrhea these agents spew will drown out any remaining human discourse as it would be virtually impossible to verify that the other side is a human and not a bot. Unfortunately, most plebs will probably be convinced that this is what intelligence looks like and will allow themselves to be replaced by these bots, which will both make humans even more economically "useless" while also ensuring an eventual economic collapse as the over-reliance on such agents in a "knowledge economy" will lead to many other economic events similar to 2008 with all the unfathomable financial derivatives banks created. Imagine how much more complex derivatives this thing can/will create, that no human can possibly understand/untangle. No wonder the elite is pushing for a predominantly knowledge (read: financial/abstract) economy. In such an economy whoever has access to the fastest and most sophisticated bot wins all the time, and people with access to slower/dumber bots (or none at all) lose 100% of the time (as you said). An industrial economy is the antithesis to AI and will never be allowed again in the West, barring an all out nuclear war, which of course will also mean no industrial economy for the West, and possibly for the rest of the world.
I am starting to think that the sun is "alive" in some sense and periodically forces the Earth and its conceited humanoid inhabitants go through "Great Reset" periods. Not like those of Mr. Schwab, no. I mean coronal mass ejections that wipe out anything on Earth that has achieved sufficiently high levels of technological complexity that eventually turns against life (i.e. the Unabomber Manifesto covers the latter pretty well).
So...have you heard about the Dead Internet Theory?
Dead Internet Theory: Most of the Internet is Fake
"TLDR: Large proportions of the supposedly human-produced content on the internet are actually generated by artificial intelligence networks in conjunction with paid secret media influencers in order to manufacture consumers for an increasing range of newly-normalised cultural products."
And this from a Digs.com article:
"Case in point, a recent report by security company Barracuda Networks states that only 36% of all internet traffic is human – the rest comes from bots."
It appears the "digital culture" Ray Peat mentioned as a prime goal to be demolished was 1) a long time in the making, and 2) more pervasively manipulated than a lot of us probably thought at the time. Who knows where it will fully go, I just hope enough bio-energetic health and awareness can be restored in the average person that there is enough of us who escape the net.