1. SALE EXTENDED!!! Thanksgiving Sale 10% Off LifeGivingStore.com Till Monday December 9th @ Midnight With Coupon Code: THANKS2019
    Click Here!
    Dismiss Notice

Help Me Solve My Adrenaline Problem. Confirmed By Beta Blocker !

Discussion in 'Supplements, Pharmaceutical Drugs' started by GorillaHead, Oct 28, 2019.

  1. GorillaHead

    GorillaHead Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    401
    Gender:
    Male
    So I often get cold feet during the winter and it’s rather frustrating. I’ve read adrenaline could be the problem. Today for the first time about an hour ago I took proporanol. And let me Tell you guys my feet heated up super fast! Like I felt them getting warmer and warmer.

    I think it’s safe to say the problem is adrenaline. Now I am not sure how a beta blocker affects adrenaline activation but what I do know is that this beta blocker is known to block calcium channels which leads to hairloss.

    I would like to know the step by step process by how this beta blocker resulted in warmer feet.


    I want natural options to fix this issue but at the same time would these natural options work through the same mechanism of beta blockers leading to hairloss?



    After further analysis it seems gaba lowers andrenaline. And more specifically gaba a activation. What things activate gaba a in our bodies. Allopregnelone?



    update: I am now also noticing appetite stimulation which is something I’ve struggled with for years also libido shot up. Wow. The solution here seems to be clear. Lower adrenaline fix all my problems and hopefully not CAuse hairloss
    thanks.
     
  2. rob

    rob Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK
    Hi GorillaHead, snap again... I've had a longstanding problem of cold feet and, particularly, hands along with adrenaline issues - HPA often seems overly sensitive to environmental stimuli.

    Been trying to fix by boosting metabolism and calming HPA axis, especially CRH production, through GABA for IBD benefits. Wary of direct neurosteroid supplementation i.e. pregnenolone – think it's wise to get levels checked first before tinkering and get further checked whilst taking. Though things like magnesium (particularly the threonate salt for the brain), l-theanine, taurine and PEA (like the look of this on many levels: stabilises mast cells, IBD-related benefits, increases allopregnanolone etc.) may help.

    Edit: Haven't tried it myself but inosine is also promoted on here as reducing adrenaline.
     
  3. Goobz

    Goobz Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2019
    Messages:
    185
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Australia
    What does PEA stand for? Thanks for the list. I think I have similar problems to the OP and may want to try some things you mentioned
     
  4. rob

    rob Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK
    PEA is palmitoylethanolamide, a fatty acid that has endocannabinoid effects.

    By the way, technically I should add glycine to the list as it has a vital inhibitory effects in particularly the spinal cord and brainstem. Plus, if you have a decent methionine intake courtesy of meat/fish consumption supplemental glycine is simply a good idea on the methylation front.

    Personally, magnesium can be a big one for many as a lot of people get less than optimal amounts and the conversion of glutamate to GABA requires Mg and B6. I get good results with just magnesium malate (Kirkman brand) though, as said, threonate looks the best for the brain, on paper at least.
     
  5. sugarbabe

    sugarbabe Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    2,717
    Somatic experiencing to release trauma and re regulate the nervous system.
     
  6. charlie

    charlie The Law & Order Admin

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    11,002
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Where do you learn about this?
     
  7. Tristan Loscha

    Tristan Loscha Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2018
    Messages:
    803
    Gender:
    Male
    We should research any Pharmaceutical option extremely carefully.I wouldnt try to "fix" cold hands and feet with
    unphysiologic Substance.back to basics.
     
  8. Tristan Loscha

    Tristan Loscha Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2018
    Messages:
    803
    Gender:
    Male
    i know lots of people with cold hands,and they are fundamentally fine.
    Also is peripheral Adrenaline highly stabilizing and anti-inflammatory.
     
  9. sugarbabe

    sugarbabe Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    2,717
    I mostly learned by watching Irene Lyon's youtube channel and reading the book "Waking The Tiger" by Peter Levine.
     
  10. sugarbabe

    sugarbabe Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    2,717
    Interesting theory you have there...
     
  11. charlie

    charlie The Law & Order Admin

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    11,002
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Thank you! :hattip
     
  12. Inaut

    Inaut Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2017
    Messages:
    985
    Gender:
    Male
    Lyons and tigers
     
  13. sugarbabe

    sugarbabe Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2012
    Messages:
    2,717
    Makes sense because it's about helping the nervous system to not think it's running from the proverbial lions tigers and bears. Oh my.
     
  14. OP
    GorillaHead

    GorillaHead Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2018
    Messages:
    401
    Gender:
    Male
    So no one has any solid suggestions besides glycine? It’s amazing how well the beta blocker worked. It worked so well.
     
  15. rob

    rob Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK
    There’s five suggestions in my first reply relating to GABA and the HPA axis.

    I haven’t tried myself but if you want to stray into herbal options there’s things like Indian snakeroot, valerian and, of course, the adaptogens - I think Rhodiola is meant to have effects on the nervous system/adrenaline. Others on here will know a lot more about the safety and efficacy of such options, but probably wise to rotate herbal supplements.
     
  16. rob

    rob Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2019
    Messages:
    97
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    UK
    @GorillaHead Also, if some of the beta blocker benefits came from the vasodilation and you want to tease out that effect specifically, other than niacin :), there’s things like: increased potassium to sodium ratio, capsaicin, foods high in nitrates (e.g. beets), l-citrulline and l-arginine (though problematic in those susceptible to shingles) etc.

    Away from supplements, you could look at meditative exercises and the vagus nerve stuff for calming heightened sympathetic response.
     
  17. thomas00

    thomas00 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Messages:
    528
    Gender:
    Male

    Many hypothyroid people compensate with high adrenalin production (sometimes 40 times higher than normal), and this tends to keep the skin cool, especially on the hands, feet, and nose. The high adrenalin is the consequence of low blood glucose, so a feeding of carbohydrate, such as a glass of orange juice, will sometimes lower the pulse rate mo- mentarily.

    Bacterial endotoxin causes some of the same effects as adrenalin. When stress reduces circulation to the bowel, caus- ing injury to the barrier function of the intestinal cells, endo- toxin can enter the blood, contributing to a shock state, with further impairment of circulation.

    GENERATIVE ENERGY RESTORING THE WHOLENESS OF LIFE
    SECOND EDITION

    Raymond Peat, PhD




    Food cravings are also a symptom of hypothyroidism.
     
  18. Elize

    Elize Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2016
    Messages:
    400
    Gender:
    Female
    Look into Feldenkrais movement for the nervous system


    Moshé Pinchas Feldenkrais was a Ukrainian-Israeli engineer and physicist, known as the founder of the Feldenkrais Method. It is a system of physical exercise


    Look at Feldenkrais with Alfons on YouTube
     
Loading...