Have Any Of You Guys Heard Of Andrew Yang?

Discussion in 'Political Talk, Alternative World Theories' started by Nestito, Oct 4, 2019.

  1. iPeat

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    Hey, good on you for doing all that research. I've listened to him speak on several occasions, read some of his stuff, and have listened to counterarguments. That's all the energy I'm willing to expend on someone that has no chance of having their policies implemented anytime soon.

    I regret that you're misinterpreting everything I'm saying and not seeing my underlying arguments. I don't think it's productive for the 2 of us to continue this discussion so I'm gonna bail after this post. We're on different wavelengths and I seem to be bothering you.

    I look at it simply. I see the core fundamentals of what has made countries rich, and what has kept countries poor. The countries that have embraced their human capital, and kept it as free as possible, have become the most prosperous and progressive. The countries that rely on stealing money from the productive people in their society usually fail, or at best, stagnate.

    "You can only confiscate the material wealth. You cannot confiscate the human capital." -Thomas Sowell

    If technology replaces 99% of human production, that will mean we can be 99% more productive. We can get the same job done (as a society and as individuals) with far less effort, making our lives way easier (that's Peat-y, no?). We don't need government's "help" dealing with progress.

    As you said, doing the same thing expecting a different result is undesirable. Yang's plan is just an expansion of the same tried and tested social program failures of the last 70 years. Spending your way to prosperity has never worked and I personally don't see why Yang's plan would be any different.

    "...give them spoons..." -Milton Friedman

    Good luck with everything. Hopefully we can have a more pleasant discussion over on the Progesterone threads or something lol. I'll now respectfully agree to disagree and bow out.
     
  2. Satellite

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    I am not misinterpreting anything, I am trying to help you with your comprehension problems. Perhaps too much serotonin or estrogen; you also seem sensitive and unable to accept criticism.

    Do you understand the concept of stealing??

    I really don’t know how to say it any other way.

    As I’ve explained...
    No one is stealing anything.
    Nor creating new money.
    Yang merely wants to change the way the existing cash flows.

    It’s these tech giants that are stealing, stealing our data and using it to make billions without giving citizens their equity.

    Stealing jobs and uprooting people. Sure some may become better off, others not. The point is that they’re causing mass disruption, but not offering a solution.

    The UBI in Alaska has been very successful for years!

    We need government or someone to regulate, because companies are not voluntarily helping citizens. They implement technology to cut costs and increase profits, nothing else.

    It’s a measly $1K per month, not an income replacement. It’s just enough to move into that house you always wanted, or buy a new car, or start a side business, or go shopping/on vacation, etc.

    $1K doesn’t go very far, but it’s enough of a security blanket to increase mobility. The system is currently designed for immobility, it’s very hard to move up in socio-economic class, because making money is insanely hard.

    The people at the top who create value will still create value and those on welfare may even stay at that level, but they’ll all be circulating more money.

    There’s literally no other way to prosperity other than spending. Not one person ever got rich with a savings account, not even a 401K. The wealthy all have or had astronomical debt. Financing productive assets is required.

    You do realize that these “productive” people all use other people’s money to create their value right? Either directly or indirectly.

    Business loans come from banks who make their money off the citizens making deposits at their bank. That money then flows out to be “productive”, but will not impact every person in the nation. How much has your bank paid you for your savings? How much has it made off you?

    Very rarely will any company who truly creates value for the world have 100% owner financing, and I don’t mean stockholders, I mean the founder bank rolled everything from their own pocket.

    Trickle down just doesn’t work for the masses.
     
  3. nwo2012

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    Unfortunately you cant play the get out of jail free card on me with the antisemitism BS. Thats all its ever been. Centuries past it usually followed after jews were forced out of towns worlwide when caught sacrificing children of goyim. Im born of jews so the best you could use on me is call me self hating. Which is the card used when they cant use the antisemitism one.
    But nobody expects you to not be blinded. They own hollywood and majority if the media afterall.
     
  4. lampofred

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    I don't know about child sacrifice or any major conspiracy theory type stuff, and the ordinary citizens I have met in real life have been great & kind people, but I think there is a lot of evidence that the ultra-orthodox at the top have been implementing deeply thought out plans for control of the world's money supply and strongly support religious warfare to remove all religions that are not of the book.

    I don't believe that they are truly evil (I think they are doing it because they believe they know what is best for the world, not out of malice) and I definitely do not at all subscribe to the "master" / "inferior" race type of thinking, but I agree that the people at the top are very likely not "live and let live" type of people.

    My 2c.
     
  5. yerrag

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    Far from it. They are masters at coopting institutions, religions included, so that these religions can be used to further achieve their goals.

    Look at how many evangelical Christians embrace Israel and come to their defense. This is just one example. I think many pastors are on the take. It's one thing not being antisemitist, but another to become an accomplice or confederate.

    Another example is how the goyims in the ruling family of Saudi Arabia play the opposition to Israel.

    These are just two examples.
     
  6. Rafael Lao Wai

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    So paying people their guaranteed wage/ UBI on a weekly basis? @Satellite mentioned earlier that the Ubi would maybe be paid at the beginning of the month, which would have more of an anti- stress effect than receiving it weekly, right? I'm not sure the system will allow people whose jobs aren't automated yet to work less days of the week, although I can see that improving productivity.
     
  7. Satellite

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